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I more than know and understand. But irelands call isn't the answer to anything. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3514 - 04/12/2023 13:21:34 2515462 Link 0 |
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Southern Ireland was the name of the state established under the Government of Ireland Act 1920. A 26 county state. We don't have any constitutional link to British crown anymore, but they did set the parameters. All parties here including SF happy to go along with that. Not many people know that, as Michael Caine might say/. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2590 - 04/12/2023 13:58:40 2515470 Link 0 |
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It's a terrible song in its own right;-)
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12114 - 04/12/2023 14:29:15 2515482 Link 1 |
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I think it's even a level or two below terrible, made even worse by the fact it's written by the insufferable Phil Coulter. I don't agree with everything Joe Brolly says but he hit the nail on the head when asked about it. "Phil Coulter could write one for us as well, another Hallmark job with one-syllable words that a two-year old could sing. Hard to beat those unforgettable lyrics from Ireland's Call, particularly the ingenious rhyming of ''tall'' and ''call''.
BeardedBorderGael (Donegal) - Posts: 40 - 04/12/2023 15:23:56 2515490 Link 2 |
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He did write one great song, especially as rendered by our own Luke. That forgives all.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2590 - 04/12/2023 15:52:14 2515494 Link 0 |
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The Government of Ireland Act 1920 was a British act, passed in Westminster. There never was a Southern Ireland 'state'. Union, devolution and independence After the Union of 1801, Ireland became a constituent part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Pressure for Home Rule grew from the late 19th century and after several failed attempts to legislate, Parliament passed the 1920 Act. This created two devolved legislatures in Ireland, the 'Parliament of Northern Ireland' and the 'Parliament of Southern Ireland'. Only the Parliament of Northern Ireland was established. [my bold] Following the Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1921, Southern Ireland instead became the Irish Free State, an independent dominion within the then British Empire. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/100-years-since-the-government-of-ireland-act-1920/#:~:text=Union%2C%20devolution%20and%20independence&text=Pressure%20for%20Home%20Rule%20grew,'Parliament%20of%20Southern%20Ireland'. "The Act was passed by the British Parliament in November 1920, received royal assent in December, and came into force on 3 May 1921.[ The smaller Northern Ireland was duly created with a devolved government and remained in the UK. The larger Southern Ireland was not recognized by most of its citizens, who instead recognized the self-declared Irish Republic in the ongoing Irish War of Independence. The conflict resulted in the Anglo-Irish Treaty in December 1921." Wikipedia Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2482 - 04/12/2023 16:45:57 2515500 Link 0 |
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There is a "southern state," GOI Act was to establish Partition administered by two independent administrations. The country is still partitioned, BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2590 - 04/12/2023 17:10:43 2515504 Link 1 |
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I'm not sure even the great Luke can redeem him Barney. Here's another gem from Brolly "After we won the All-Ireland in 1993, we sang The Town I Loved So Well on The Late Late Show. A fortnight later, Phil (who as far as I know was never at a Gaelic match in his life) arrived at a team meeting wearing a lime green suit and lemon tie and presented us all with a signed photograph of himself at the Grand Piano. That's just the sort of man we need to write us a new three-chord anthem.
BeardedBorderGael (Donegal) - Posts: 40 - 04/12/2023 17:31:51 2515506 Link 0 |
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It is shocking but who goes to a match really cares about the songs played beforehand if a song is murdered will they really care. Things like your teams result/performance, the food and drink and service of those etc will all be of far more importance to overwhelming majority of people KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3514 - 04/12/2023 17:38:12 2515508 Link 0 |
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Irelands call is a terrible anthem. I cringe every time I hear it. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11241 - 04/12/2023 18:15:52 2515511 Link 0 |
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"There is a "southern state," Tell me, where is this "Southern State', who is it's their government? Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2482 - 04/12/2023 18:41:40 2515521 Link 0 |
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Following the Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1921, Southern Ireland instead became the Irish Free State, an independent dominion within the then British Empire. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/100-years-since-the-government-of-ireland-act-1920/#:~:text=Union%2C%20devolution%20and%20independence&text=Pressure%20for%20Home%20Rule%20grew,'Parliament%20of%20Southern%20Ireland'. "The Act was passed by the British Parliament in November 1920, received royal assent in December, and came into force on 3 May 1921.[ The smaller Northern Ireland was duly created with a devolved government and remained in the UK. The larger Southern Ireland was not recognized by most of its citizens, who instead recognized the self-declared Irish Republic in the ongoing Irish War of Independence. The conflict resulted in the Anglo-Irish Treaty in December 1921." Wikipedia"]Wikipedia! GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7373 - 04/12/2023 18:52:39 2515522 Link 0 |
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You did. The Civil War was about the status of the new 26 Co State....Dominion as supported by the pro Treaty majority or a Republic as advocated by the minority. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1451 - 04/12/2023 19:05:24 2515524 Link 0 |
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True, but that doesn't excuse the fact that it's terrible and that it has been used for nearly 20 years.
BeardedBorderGael (Donegal) - Posts: 40 - 04/12/2023 20:00:18 2515527 Link 0 |
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How are you all still entertaining this... Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1917 - 04/12/2023 20:01:22 2515529 Link 0 |
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Well i would have to up it to two great songs he wrote since you've referenced one of them. "Scorn not his Simplicity"as sung by Luke makes the grade too.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1907 - 05/12/2023 06:34:10 2515545 Link 0 |
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So the country is still partitioned, and on the lines set out in the Government of Ireland Act. The constitution of the southern state has changed, not its territory,
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2590 - 05/12/2023 08:14:56 2515548 Link 0 |
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And as voted for in 1998 by the people .
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1451 - 05/12/2023 10:57:30 2515579 Link 1 |
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The last time the whole island voted on the question of unity was in December 1918. There was a majority for independence. There has never been a 32 county vote which overturned that. It is all academic now, but those are the historical facts. The fact that GFA confines any future vote to six counties means that the likelihood of unity in next 50 years are slim to none. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2590 - 05/12/2023 12:09:53 2515593 Link 1 |
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It's a terrible sohn full stop but unless people come up with a decent alternative then it's here to stay We need a 2nd anthem like all all-island international sides have here KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3514 - 05/12/2023 13:17:26 2515603 Link 0 |