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Can Gaelic Football (Handball?) Be Saved?

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "All the chat we have is to do with speeding up the game . Now suddenly we are looking to introduce new tackle rules. This isn't even an issue on the ground. Nobody is talking about it."
The entire issue is the tackle rule. Massed defences are the symptom, not the problem. Fix the problem.
Shot clocks, reducing numbers, limiting field positions etc. all miss the point entirely.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1058 - 26/04/2024 13:47:31    2540763

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Replying To sligo joe:  "So basically you want to reward the defensive team that stay in their own half pretty much all of the game and maybe try and sneak a win late on?"
Don't you think thats whats happening now?

brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 284 - 26/04/2024 14:12:22    2540766

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Replying To brianb:  "Don't you think thats whats happening now?"
Fair enough but at least the blanket defence teams while they are keeping the score down they are struggling to win matches. Your proposal that a team could not go back when attacking would mean more turn-overs for the blanket defence teams and the shot clock the same.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 683 - 26/04/2024 15:05:14    2540778

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "The entire issue is the tackle rule. Massed defences are the symptom, not the problem. Fix the problem.
Shot clocks, reducing numbers, limiting field positions etc. all miss the point entirely."
The entire issue is the tackle rule? Seriously?

Lads this place is bananas.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7896 - 26/04/2024 15:20:01    2540781

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Replying To sligo joe:  "Fair enough but at least the blanket defence teams while they are keeping the score down they are struggling to win matches. Your proposal that a team could not go back when attacking would mean more turn-overs for the blanket defence teams and the shot clock the same."
Yes there would be more turnovers. I think it would encourage fast and direct forward play; the incentive would be to get the ball forward before the defence is set. If you can't do that - you'd have to try something speculative. You'd see more long range shots; more high contestable balls into the full forward line and quicker attacks.

brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 284 - 26/04/2024 15:40:17    2540784

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Replying To brianb:  "Yes there would be more turnovers. I think it would encourage fast and direct forward play; the incentive would be to get the ball forward before the defence is set. If you can't do that - you'd have to try something speculative. You'd see more long range shots; more high contestable balls into the full forward line and quicker attacks."
Maybe - and I'd like to think so - but it would need to be game tested before drawing conclusions - the advanced mark did not result in much overhead fielding as expected.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2593 - 26/04/2024 16:13:39    2540789

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Replying To brianb:  "Yes there would be more turnovers. I think it would encourage fast and direct forward play; the incentive would be to get the ball forward before the defence is set. If you can't do that - you'd have to try something speculative. You'd see more long range shots; more high contestable balls into the full forward line and quicker attacks."
Surely you can see your proposals would benefit the negative managers/teams and penalise the positive teams. For example if you have maybe Dublin Kerry Mayo going out against an inferior team that team will sit back with a well coached 15 man defence and with your plans it will have a better chance of working. The blanket defence is the disease and your rule changes would reward it, the possession football is a symptom/reaction to the disease.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 683 - 26/04/2024 17:50:44    2540804

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Replying To brianb:  "Yes there would be more turnovers. I think it would encourage fast and direct forward play; the incentive would be to get the ball forward before the defence is set. If you can't do that - you'd have to try something speculative. You'd see more long range shots; more high contestable balls into the full forward line and quicker attacks."
Of course it always makes sense to get the ball forward b4 the defence is set the problem with your proposals is they favour the teams that set the defence from minute one. Possession football is only a symptom of the disease which is the blanket, the disease, the blanket needs addressing not the symptom or reaction to it.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 683 - 26/04/2024 18:37:08    2540805

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For every score, instead of a kickout from the team that's conceded, give the scoring team a sideline ball from outside the 45. Must go forwards. If they score direct from sideline the resultant sideline ball would be an indirect pass forward and reset. Might encourage more attacking play and not give the team that's conceded opportunity to slow down play from their own kickout after they've conceded.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 27/04/2024 06:04:30    2540834

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