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Can Gaelic Football (Handball?) Be Saved?

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "So because you and him agree on certain things you go soft on his daft idea. Got it"
I wouldn't make the change myself but seeing as we had all frees off the ground for so long previously saying scoring from frees should only be allowed off the ground is not a totally outlandish idea.

What I find mad is you saying that it's not worth debating anything with him from now on just because you disagree with this one point he made.

If your going to go to the trouble of posting just argue your case rather than trying to shut him down.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1400 - 14/04/2024 09:23:12    2537723

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I'd say you played dam all… you probably wouldn't be able to kick a free from the ground…. Practice makes perfect so your tactical fouling excuse doesn't hold up… Still waiting on your 5/6 problems… You have had 2 days now and you have come up with nothing but nonsense….."
Lol you are some eejit. If you can't see the daftness of your own idea there is no point talking to you about anything.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 14/04/2024 09:54:05    2537725

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "I wouldn't make the change myself but seeing as we had all frees off the ground for so long previously saying scoring from frees should only be allowed off the ground is not a totally outlandish idea.

What I find mad is you saying that it's not worth debating anything with him from now on just because you disagree with this one point he made.

If your going to go to the trouble of posting just argue your case rather than trying to shut him down."
Have you not read his responses? He won't go through anything in detail. Just says i am wrong and demands i give him more detail.

And how can you even think it's not an outlandish idea? Seriously? Making it harder for teams to score in certain situations. Some reward for being fouled isn't it?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 14/04/2024 11:34:40    2537735

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I can't understand why someone would be fixated on frees from the ground being the only option for a point from a free. A free is a means to and end. It's a way for punishing foul play by the opposition and whatever way works best allow it.

And if kicking the ball off the ground is something to admire so much it's not like it still doesn't exist. All 45s are from the ground and there are freetakers who still prefer it off the ground, particularly from distance.
Also a skill that has improved massively over the last 10 years or so is the kickout from the ground. It used be just a lump out the field, then cluxton reinvented it with the likes of patton, beggan and Morgan adding extra distance with the accuracy. It can be really good to watch particularly when teams can manipulate it into points and goal scoring opportunities.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 780 - 14/04/2024 12:37:33    2537741

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Replying To Ulsterchamps_32:  "I can't understand why someone would be fixated on frees from the ground being the only option for a point from a free. A free is a means to and end. It's a way for punishing foul play by the opposition and whatever way works best allow it.

And if kicking the ball off the ground is something to admire so much it's not like it still doesn't exist. All 45s are from the ground and there are freetakers who still prefer it off the ground, particularly from distance.
Also a skill that has improved massively over the last 10 years or so is the kickout from the ground. It used be just a lump out the field, then cluxton reinvented it with the likes of patton, beggan and Morgan adding extra distance with the accuracy. It can be really good to watch particularly when teams can manipulate it into points and goal scoring opportunities."
Correct. There are so many reasons why it's a stupid idea. The poster talks as if taking frees from the ground is easy and all forwards should be good at it. A definite armchair fan making random suggestions. What if main free taker gets injured? Are we really expecting teams to have 2 or 3 really good free takers off the ground? Nonsensical.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 14/04/2024 13:26:43    2537747

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Correct. There are so many reasons why it's a stupid idea. The poster talks as if taking frees from the ground is easy and all forwards should be good at it. A definite armchair fan making random suggestions. What if main free taker gets injured? Are we really expecting teams to have 2 or 3 really good free takers off the ground? Nonsensical."
Frees from the ground is a much better and nicer skill. Those of us of an older vintage could name so many brilliant free takers we have had the pleasure of watching over the years. Tony McTeague of Offaly kicked left and right, Maurice Fitzgerald, Brian Stafford, Larry Tompkins, Manus Boyle etc etc The way they were able to put a bend on the free was always a pleasure to behold.. None of the modern free takers kicking from the hands spring to mind in the same way. It is a lazy skill and the frees are rarely taken from the correct spot. I personally would love to see the return to all scorable frees being taken from the ground.

Eastcoastexile (Kerry) - Posts: 3 - 14/04/2024 16:09:30    2537759

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Replying To Eastcoastexile:  "Frees from the ground is a much better and nicer skill. Those of us of an older vintage could name so many brilliant free takers we have had the pleasure of watching over the years. Tony McTeague of Offaly kicked left and right, Maurice Fitzgerald, Brian Stafford, Larry Tompkins, Manus Boyle etc etc The way they were able to put a bend on the free was always a pleasure to behold.. None of the modern free takers kicking from the hands spring to mind in the same way. It is a lazy skill and the frees are rarely taken from the correct spot. I personally would love to see the return to all scorable frees being taken from the ground."
I really don't agree with you. I don't go to a match hoping a player is fouled so I can look at a player kick the free from the ground. I just don't get the logic.

And if you do get such a buzz you still have 45s and would you not marvel at the point Niall Morgan scored against you from 70 metres out a few years ago. Or your own Sean o'shea to win the semi in 22 from a bit over 50 metres out.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 780 - 14/04/2024 17:01:17    2537762

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Replying To Ulsterchamps_32:  "I really don't agree with you. I don't go to a match hoping a player is fouled so I can look at a player kick the free from the ground. I just don't get the logic.

And if you do get such a buzz you still have 45s and would you not marvel at the point Niall Morgan scored against you from 70 metres out a few years ago. Or your own Sean o'shea to win the semi in 22 from a bit over 50 metres out."
I would agree with Eastcoastexile.In fact you are proving his point mentioning Morgan and O Shea.There were two fantastic kicks.Even a 14 yard free from the ground has some skill.A 14 yard free from the hands is a gimme.Not being smart but Id score them myself in a pair a wellingtons and and an overcoat and Im in my 50s..I mean any kid ten years old can do that (they could nt do it off the ground.)

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3844 - 14/04/2024 17:22:32    2537766

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The opinions on this are absolutely mind boggling lads. If a player is fouled he deserves a chance to score off the ground or from the hands. Jesus wept.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 14/04/2024 18:02:19    2537776

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "The opinions on this are absolutely mind boggling lads. If a player is fouled he deserves a chance to score off the ground or from the hands. Jesus wept."
A lot more posters agreeing with me than you on this… think you are loosing the argument… still waiting on 5/6 problems with the idea… no hurry… you probably need more to dig a bigger hole for yourself…. Lol

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 14/04/2024 18:13:43    2537782

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "The opinions on this are absolutely mind boggling lads. If a player is fouled he deserves a chance to score off the ground or from the hands. Jesus wept."
True but in a time where the gaa os trying to compete with other sports entertainment is important and there is no entertainment watching a player take a 14 yards frees from the hand and there is no skill involved.If a player is fouled of course award a free but off the ground would be better.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3844 - 14/04/2024 18:21:16    2537787

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "A lot more posters agreeing with me than you on this… think you are loosing the argument… still waiting on 5/6 problems with the idea… no hurry… you probably need more to dig a bigger hole for yourself…. Lol"
Ok hun. X

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 14/04/2024 18:28:40    2537790

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "True but in a time where the gaa os trying to compete with other sports entertainment is important and there is no entertainment watching a player take a 14 yards frees from the hand and there is no skill involved.If a player is fouled of course award a free but off the ground would be better."
Ah lads. So let's slow the play down to take frees from the ground and also have potentially less scores in difficult conditions. And more fouling by defenders in certain cases. Sounds amazing.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 14/04/2024 18:32:18    2537792

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Ah lads. So let's slow the play down to take frees from the ground and also have potentially less scores in difficult conditions. And more fouling by defenders in certain cases. Sounds amazing."
Still waiting…… keep digging good lad

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 14/04/2024 18:43:11    2537793

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Would it make it more interesting if the player who is fouled has to take the free??going by what we see at the moment it would be interesting to see how many of a teams 6 forwards can actually kick a ball..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2379 - 14/04/2024 18:56:45    2537798

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In a pub yesterday evening and someone after Aintree was over asked owner to put on Down V Antrim , those in the pub must have used every adjective possible in the first half to describe it ie negative , horrible, numbing , etc before it was duly turned off at half time by request of practically everyone in the bar , it's becoming a big problem the amount of neutrals that are giving up on watching football due to the cagey tactics been used .

OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 717 - 14/04/2024 19:11:48    2537801

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Still waiting…… keep digging good lad"
1. Slows play down
2. Can be difficult in certain condtions
3. Not everyone can do it. If main free taker is missing it makes it even harder for team to convert
4. Cynical fouling by defenders in certain area of the field knowing they won't concede.
5. It will lead to attackers who are not confident or having an off day going short instead of kicking for score from distance from the hands.

Feel free to actually debate the above good lad.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 14/04/2024 19:26:59    2537808

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "1. Slows play down
2. Can be difficult in certain condtions
3. Not everyone can do it. If main free taker is missing it makes it even harder for team to convert
4. Cynical fouling by defenders in certain area of the field knowing they won't concede.
5. It will lead to attackers who are not confident or having an off day going short instead of kicking for score from distance from the hands.

Feel free to actually debate the above good lad."
You obviously love the skill of kicking a ball from hands over the bar 14 yards out.Joe Biden could do that.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3844 - 14/04/2024 19:52:41    2537813

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "You obviously love the skill of kicking a ball from hands over the bar 14 yards out.Joe Biden could do that."
Jesus will you stop obsessing about 14 yards. Who mentioned distance? Take 14 yards out of it. He wanted only frees allowed from ground as a score.

I also find it amazing that you want a lad to waste time going through a routine to kick it over from the ground 13/21 metres out. There must be some unreal free takers here that think this is handy enough changing from hands to off the ground.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 14/04/2024 20:35:10    2537823

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I would agree with Eastcoastexile.In fact you are proving his point mentioning Morgan and O Shea.There were two fantastic kicks.Even a 14 yard free from the ground has some skill.A 14 yard free from the hands is a gimme.Not being smart but Id score them myself in a pair a wellingtons and and an overcoat and Im in my 50s..I mean any kid ten years old can do that (they could nt do it off the ground.)"
If you take all you say here as accurate you're advocating for a change that will create more fouling. Why would you advocate for such a thing?

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 780 - 14/04/2024 20:46:12    2537826

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