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The provincial draws for next year are going to take place on Saturday, October 21st. I don't agree with the early draws. They could wait until after the league and seed the draws based on league placing. If there is a lopsided draw, the media will be complaining all winter. That doesn't do anything to help promote the provincial championships. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8289 - 03/10/2023 21:37:17 2506867 Link
The Kilkenny County SHC does this - league of 2 groups of 6, before all 12 to straight KO - 1st Rd crossover 3v6, with 4 winners joining 4 'both top 2s' in the QFs (just so simple). omahant (USA) - Posts: 2894 - 16/10/2023 15:08:02 2508672 Link
I think the timing of the draw is just to keep people interested and have something to talk about Seeded draw wouldn't suit Ulster, you might not get a chance at your biggest rival if it was Whestofthewest (Clare) - Posts: 177 - 16/10/2023 15:55:40 2508681 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "The provincial draws for next year are going to take place on Saturday, October 21st. I don't agree with the early draws. They could wait until after the league and seed the draws based on league placing. If there is a lopsided draw, the media will be complaining all winter. That doesn't do anything to help promote the provincial championships." The provincial championships should be run completely separately from the All Ireland Championship with no bearing on seedings. For me they could have rest weeks in the leagues and run the provincial championships in those rest weeks. The current format is only there to keep the stronger counties strong and so-called weaker counties weak. Unfair too to give seedings based on provincial finalists when some provincial finals are harder to reach than others. All Ireland championship places should be top 15/16,Tailteann winner. Playoffs beween top 2 in Div 3 and 4 and winners play off with bottom 2 in division 2. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7651 - 16/10/2023 16:46:19 2508696 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "The provincial championships should be run completely separately from the All Ireland Championship with no bearing on seedings. For me they could have rest weeks in the leagues and run the provincial championships in those rest weeks. The current format is only there to keep the stronger counties strong and so-called weaker counties weak. Unfair too to give seedings based on provincial finalists when some provincial finals are harder to reach than others. All Ireland championship places should be top 15/16,Tailteann winner. Playoffs beween top 2 in Div 3 and 4 and winners play off with bottom 2 in division 2." Provincial championship would be pre season competitions then. Played between rest weeks in the league would mean 2nd string line ups and small crowds in attendances for such matches. Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3492 - 17/10/2023 16:57:20 2508887 Link
Replying To Gaa_lover: "Provincial championship would be pre season competitions then. Played between rest weeks in the league would mean 2nd string line ups and small crowds in attendances for such matches." Very fair point and the weather not as good as traditional provincial time. Stronger counties might play understrength teams and reduce the gap a bit to division 3 and 4 teams, maybe a better chance to win their province and at least a chance of playing teams of a higher standard in competition. But having provincials before league finishes would give counties a more level playing field in terms of weeks off or playing start the championship. And make the last few rounds of the league, without finals, more interesting as teams look for qualifying or playoff spots for All Ireland and Tailteann. A fair chance of dead rubbers at that tine too. Having provinces after league would be ok but a bit unfair for some counties from provinces with more games and I think it gives an advantage to some other counties. A bit naive I know but I think current system is just widening the gap in standards between the top and bottom. Lower division counties should get some competitive games somehow against stronger opposition if they want to slowly improve. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7651 - 17/10/2023 17:39:35 2508904 Link
Replying To Gaa_lover: "Provincial championship would be pre season competitions then. Played between rest weeks in the league would mean 2nd string line ups and small crowds in attendances for such matches." Sensible thing would be to run entire inter county season off in two weekend blitzes. Think of all the revenue to be generated if Croke Park and other venues were freed up when not having to host the bog ball and stick fighting. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3123 - 17/10/2023 22:57:23 2508952 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Very fair point and the weather not as good as traditional provincial time. Stronger counties might play understrength teams and reduce the gap a bit to division 3 and 4 teams, maybe a better chance to win their province and at least a chance of playing teams of a higher standard in competition. But having provincials before league finishes would give counties a more level playing field in terms of weeks off or playing start the championship. And make the last few rounds of the league, without finals, more interesting as teams look for qualifying or playoff spots for All Ireland and Tailteann. A fair chance of dead rubbers at that tine too. Having provinces after league would be ok but a bit unfair for some counties from provinces with more games and I think it gives an advantage to some other counties. A bit naive I know but I think current system is just widening the gap in standards between the top and bottom. Lower division counties should get some competitive games somehow against stronger opposition if they want to slowly improve." After 20 years of savage batins by Dublin in Leinster what improvements has that brought to Carlow, Wicklow etc Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1960 - 18/10/2023 10:10:45 2508972 Link
Replying To Seanfanbocht: "After 20 years of savage batins by Dublin in Leinster what improvements has that brought to Carlow, Wicklow etc" Very little. Though Carlow had a bit of a revival under O'Brien and Poacher a few years ago and Wicklow are improving under McConville. Dublin's a big step for any team so neither gonna gauge progress on losing to them. But Leinster is a one horse town and the horse is a seasoned thoroughbbred. Playing teams of a similar standard in league and now guaranteed in Tailteann won't improve them either. Regardless of when it's played I hope they keep the provincial championship but they should have no bearing on All Ireland qualification or seeding. Would be nice too to see a so called weaker county in good form beat a bigger county that's resting players for All Ireland. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7651 - 18/10/2023 12:10:16 2509014 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "The provincial draws for next year are going to take place on Saturday, October 21st. I don't agree with the early draws. They could wait until after the league and seed the draws based on league placing. If there is a lopsided draw, the media will be complaining all winter. That doesn't do anything to help promote the provincial championships." There's every chance Laois still won't even have a manager..Lord almighty! What's the punishment for giving walkovers at inter-county level these days?! Laoisvillian (Laois) - Posts: 87 - 18/10/2023 12:56:38 2509025 Link
Replying To Laoisvillian: "There's every chance Laois still won't even have a manager..Lord almighty! What's the punishment for giving walkovers at inter-county level these days?!" Is Justin McNulty not being lined up for a return? GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7651 - 18/10/2023 14:42:58 2509053 Link
Replying To Laoisvillian: "There's every chance Laois still won't even have a manager..Lord almighty! What's the punishment for giving walkovers at inter-county level these days?!" Nothing seemingly, there were a few this year in the O Byrne Cup. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 18/10/2023 15:25:27 2509073 Link
The Provincials actually need to be abolished to be honest. It just feels so tough to justify 4 weekends of action in such a tight calendar with weaker teams only guaranteed one game. The intercounty football season has too many potential weekends of action. Up to 19 plus rest weeks. I just don't think that fits into a healthy schedule to facilitate good quality club competition. We are seeing that in some of the discussions around finishing the season a week later to allow a rest between league and Provincials. We've players talking about the intensity of the schedule. I just don't think we can have all of an NFL with league finals, provincial championships, group stage championships and 4 rounds of knockout. Something has to give here somewhere. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 20/10/2023 12:18:17 2509415 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "The Provincials actually need to be abolished to be honest. It just feels so tough to justify 4 weekends of action in such a tight calendar with weaker teams only guaranteed one game. The intercounty football season has too many potential weekends of action. Up to 19 plus rest weeks. I just don't think that fits into a healthy schedule to facilitate good quality club competition. We are seeing that in some of the discussions around finishing the season a week later to allow a rest between league and Provincials. We've players talking about the intensity of the schedule. I just don't think we can have all of an NFL with league finals, provincial championships, group stage championships and 4 rounds of knockout. Something has to give here somewhere." Better playing real games than 150 training sessions/challenge games Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1960 - 20/10/2023 13:09:42 2509433 Link
Replying To Seanfanbocht: "Better playing real games than 150 training sessions/challenge games" They shouldn't be doing that either. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 20/10/2023 13:51:57 2509444 Link
2024 provincial championship draws ULSTER Preliminary round Monaghan v Armagh Quarter-finals Down v Antrim Fermanagh v Armagh Derry v Donegal Tyrone v Monaghan/Cavan Semi-finals Down/Antrim v Fermanagh/Armagh Derry/Donegal v Tyrone/Monaghan/Cavan MUNSTER Quarter-finals Tipperary v Waterford Limerick v Cork Semi-finals Clare v Tipperary/Waterford Kerry v Limerick/Cork LEINSTER Preliminary round Westmeath v Wicklow Carlow v Wexford Longford v Meath Quarter-finals Kildare v Westmeath/Wicklow Louth v Carlow/Wexford Dublin v Longford/Meath Offaly v Laois Semi-finals Kildare/Westmeath/Wicklow v Louth/Carlow/Wexford Dublin/Longford/Meath v Offaly/Laois CONNACHT Quarter-finals New York v Mayo London v Galway Sligo v Leitrim Semi-finals New York/Mayo v Roscommon Sligo/Leitrim v London/Galway I don't agree with early provincial draws but the GAA have their reasons. 2024 league seeding would be fair for the provincial draws. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8289 - 21/10/2023 18:55:42 2509584 Link
Replying To omahant: "The Kilkenny County SHC does this - league of 2 groups of 6, before all 12 to straight KO - 1st Rd crossover 3v6, with 4 winners joining 4 'both top 2s' in the QFs (just so simple)." So after the league of 2 groups of 6, no-one's eliminated, and those games merely determine what round of the knockout stages you enter? Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1126 - 22/10/2023 14:09:44 2509627 Link
Replying To Tacaí Liatroma: "So after the league of 2 groups of 6, no-one's eliminated, and those games merely determine what round of the knockout stages you enter?" The bottom 2 sides play off in relegation semis. The winners reenter the draw, while the losers play a relegation final, the loser of which is relegated. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 22/10/2023 17:25:51 2509641 Link
Replying To Gaa_lover: "Provincial championship would be pre season competitions then. Played between rest weeks in the league would mean 2nd string line ups and small crowds in attendances for such matches." I thought small crowds is what people wanted given the amount of complaining they do about bandwagoners on GAA forums. PattyONeill (Derry) - Posts: 246 - 22/10/2023 18:22:31 2509654 Link
What a tough draw for both Monaghan & Cavan... They play in Prelim......then the winner away to Tyrone........ if they somehow get over that, they face Derry or Donegal in Ulster semi.... if a minor miracle happens & one of them get to an Ulster final, then possibly Armagh would be waiting!.... I'm even "sweating" typing this! lol Monaghan Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 443 - 23/10/2023 19:29:37 2509949 Link