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Replying To turnip12:  "I re-watched the match after getting home on Saturday and made some notes.

First, well done to Dublin. A very strong last 10 minutes got them over the line and their strong bench was key.

a) Dublin's first wide was on 30 minutes. Monaghan had hit the post three times and had three wides by then.
b) Dublin also got two soft scoring frees in the first half.
c) Monaghan butchered a fantastic goal opportunity in first half.

Monaghan should have been 1-3 points up at half time.

d) Monaghan were the better team in the 3rd quarter and should have led going into last 10 minutes. The last 10 minutes might have played out differently if it had a different starting point.

Monaghan's lost kick outs around 62-64 mins (great pressing) and touching the ball in the ground (harsh call?) won the game for Dublin.

Irrespective of this strong period for Dublin if sean jones caught the ball on 67 minutes it was a one point game.

Overall, Monaghan lacked a little composure/accuracy. Dublin were deadly in comparison. Even if Monaghan had been up by 2 points at 60 minutes Dublin may have had too much for a tiring Monaghan team.

Without Cluxton i think Monaghan would have won. Dublin in recent years were panicky at kickout without him, and Dublin were almost 100% from kick outs because of Cluxton.

It was a missed opportunity for Monaghan that is for sure. Dublin were vulnerable but Monaghan did not get the luck (the goal) or the rub of the green from the referee (different referee decisions could have given Monaghan a +3 point swing).

Conor, Karl, Darren and Kieran have been amazing servants of Monaghan football. I hope they stay around as they could easily be the difference in the final 20 minutes of a semi final next year. They still have so much to offer Monaghan, and with a good years preparation no reason why they can not start late in the championship.

A word for quite a number of ex-pundits and the narrative before the game. Their commentary was embarrassingly stupid to be honest. Monaghan had a 20-30% chance of winning last Saturday and they said it was a foregone conclusion. Keegan, Andrews, O'Donoghue and Connelly clearly suffer from recency bias (all that mattered was the second half versus a tiring Mayo), an over-belief that their owned lived experiences from 4-8 years ago matters so much more than performances in 2023 and an ingrained disrespect for all teams outside of the top 4 teams. Their views reminded me of a bunch of overly confident investors in 2007 who proclaim their complete confidence in one outcome and are completely ignorant of what is actually going on (what data and reality can tell you). To be fair, Dessie Farrell acknowledged this after the game. Dessie came across like a decent guy living in reality!"
It's natural enough to come away from a game like that and think back on the ifs and maybes. The fact is though that there was a 7 point gap in the end. Dublin dominated that final quarter when they needed to, scoring 1-5 to 0-1 in the last 15m or so. We can talk about Monaghan hitting the post 3 times but one of those was called back and Monaghan got a point from it. We can talk about soft frees on both sides, we can talk about McManus buying a couple of scorable ones and we can talk about Monaghan not taking advantage of a 14 man Dublin for 10m at a crucial period. Dublin pointed on a couple of occasions when they could have netted and you would have put your house on Rock making the final score gap 8 pts with the last kick of the game. It was a great performance from Monaghan, tactically very good but Fitzy shackled their star man limiting him to just 2 from play and only 1 off himself, which blunted their attack. I always felt like Dublin could go up through the gears if they had to and they did in that final quarter as Kerry did yesterday. Not as much in it as the "experts" might have led us to believe beforehand though.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4696 - 17/07/2023 16:12:03    2495175

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Replying To Joxer:  "It's natural enough to come away from a game like that and think back on the ifs and maybes. The fact is though that there was a 7 point gap in the end. Dublin dominated that final quarter when they needed to, scoring 1-5 to 0-1 in the last 15m or so. We can talk about Monaghan hitting the post 3 times but one of those was called back and Monaghan got a point from it. We can talk about soft frees on both sides, we can talk about McManus buying a couple of scorable ones and we can talk about Monaghan not taking advantage of a 14 man Dublin for 10m at a crucial period. Dublin pointed on a couple of occasions when they could have netted and you would have put your house on Rock making the final score gap 8 pts with the last kick of the game. It was a great performance from Monaghan, tactically very good but Fitzy shackled their star man limiting him to just 2 from play and only 1 off himself, which blunted their attack. I always felt like Dublin could go up through the gears if they had to and they did in that final quarter as Kerry did yesterday. Not as much in it as the "experts" might have led us to believe beforehand though."
I'm not so sure Dublin had another gear on Saturday. Monaghan had got the tactics spot on. Wasteful with good options but I'd say Dublin were wasteful too. Dublin broke faster on the turnover and fatigue done the monaghan lads and the fantastic Dublin bench meant the opposition never got weaker. 7 points looks worse than it actually was.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 17/07/2023 18:19:07    2495227

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Replying To turnip12:  "I re-watched the match after getting home on Saturday and made some notes.

First, well done to Dublin. A very strong last 10 minutes got them over the line and their strong bench was key.

a) Dublin's first wide was on 30 minutes. Monaghan had hit the post three times and had three wides by then.
b) Dublin also got two soft scoring frees in the first half.
c) Monaghan butchered a fantastic goal opportunity in first half.

Monaghan should have been 1-3 points up at half time.

d) Monaghan were the better team in the 3rd quarter and should have led going into last 10 minutes. The last 10 minutes might have played out differently if it had a different starting point.

Monaghan's lost kick outs around 62-64 mins (great pressing) and touching the ball in the ground (harsh call?) won the game for Dublin.

Irrespective of this strong period for Dublin if sean jones caught the ball on 67 minutes it was a one point game.

Overall, Monaghan lacked a little composure/accuracy. Dublin were deadly in comparison. Even if Monaghan had been up by 2 points at 60 minutes Dublin may have had too much for a tiring Monaghan team.

Without Cluxton i think Monaghan would have won. Dublin in recent years were panicky at kickout without him, and Dublin were almost 100% from kick outs because of Cluxton.

It was a missed opportunity for Monaghan that is for sure. Dublin were vulnerable but Monaghan did not get the luck (the goal) or the rub of the green from the referee (different referee decisions could have given Monaghan a +3 point swing).

Conor, Karl, Darren and Kieran have been amazing servants of Monaghan football. I hope they stay around as they could easily be the difference in the final 20 minutes of a semi final next year. They still have so much to offer Monaghan, and with a good years preparation no reason why they can not start late in the championship.

A word for quite a number of ex-pundits and the narrative before the game. Their commentary was embarrassingly stupid to be honest. Monaghan had a 20-30% chance of winning last Saturday and they said it was a foregone conclusion. Keegan, Andrews, O'Donoghue and Connelly clearly suffer from recency bias (all that mattered was the second half versus a tiring Mayo), an over-belief that their owned lived experiences from 4-8 years ago matters so much more than performances in 2023 and an ingrained disrespect for all teams outside of the top 4 teams. Their views reminded me of a bunch of overly confident investors in 2007 who proclaim their complete confidence in one outcome and are completely ignorant of what is actually going on (what data and reality can tell you). To be fair, Dessie Farrell acknowledged this after the game. Dessie came across like a decent guy living in reality!"
Shoulda, coulda, woulda.

Didn't!

Ultimately it doesn't matter. Dublin were more clinical with their scoring chances, they scored more and won the game and that's it really.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13648 - 18/07/2023 13:29:33    2495399

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Replying To turnip12:  "I re-watched the match after getting home on Saturday and made some notes.

First, well done to Dublin. A very strong last 10 minutes got them over the line and their strong bench was key.

a) Dublin's first wide was on 30 minutes. Monaghan had hit the post three times and had three wides by then.
b) Dublin also got two soft scoring frees in the first half.
c) Monaghan butchered a fantastic goal opportunity in first half.

Monaghan should have been 1-3 points up at half time.

d) Monaghan were the better team in the 3rd quarter and should have led going into last 10 minutes. The last 10 minutes might have played out differently if it had a different starting point.

Monaghan's lost kick outs around 62-64 mins (great pressing) and touching the ball in the ground (harsh call?) won the game for Dublin.

Irrespective of this strong period for Dublin if sean jones caught the ball on 67 minutes it was a one point game.

Overall, Monaghan lacked a little composure/accuracy. Dublin were deadly in comparison. Even if Monaghan had been up by 2 points at 60 minutes Dublin may have had too much for a tiring Monaghan team.

Without Cluxton i think Monaghan would have won. Dublin in recent years were panicky at kickout without him, and Dublin were almost 100% from kick outs because of Cluxton.

It was a missed opportunity for Monaghan that is for sure. Dublin were vulnerable but Monaghan did not get the luck (the goal) or the rub of the green from the referee (different referee decisions could have given Monaghan a +3 point swing).

Conor, Karl, Darren and Kieran have been amazing servants of Monaghan football. I hope they stay around as they could easily be the difference in the final 20 minutes of a semi final next year. They still have so much to offer Monaghan, and with a good years preparation no reason why they can not start late in the championship.

A word for quite a number of ex-pundits and the narrative before the game. Their commentary was embarrassingly stupid to be honest. Monaghan had a 20-30% chance of winning last Saturday and they said it was a foregone conclusion. Keegan, Andrews, O'Donoghue and Connelly clearly suffer from recency bias (all that mattered was the second half versus a tiring Mayo), an over-belief that their owned lived experiences from 4-8 years ago matters so much more than performances in 2023 and an ingrained disrespect for all teams outside of the top 4 teams. Their views reminded me of a bunch of overly confident investors in 2007 who proclaim their complete confidence in one outcome and are completely ignorant of what is actually going on (what data and reality can tell you). To be fair, Dessie Farrell acknowledged this after the game. Dessie came across like a decent guy living in reality!"
Your username says it all really!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 18/07/2023 13:48:16    2495404

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Congratulations to Dublin.
Monaghan went to the game with intent. Missed a few goal chances that could have made a big difference in terms of momentum at their point in the game . There was a great atmosphere and banter between supporters before (in Meaghers) and during the game.
With 2.5% of the population of Dublin, we did ok.
Special shoutout to the Dublin supporter in her 30's who screamed Nordie ***** & who da **** even is Monaghan into my crying daughter's face at full time. A/holes from every county (including Monaghan) can just ruin an occasion.

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 18/07/2023 15:03:18    2495430

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