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I'm guessing the New Ross thing is mainly a response to how few New Ross District players there have been on Wexford Senior teams in the last 15 years. Matthew O'Hanlon has been a regular starter but other than that, there haven't been very many other regular New Ross starters. Mikie Dwyer, Éanna Martin, and Ian Carty have all played a bit but I'm guessing New Ross District people think (rightly or wrongly) that they have been overlooked in recent years.
As for today, Gorey probably had the better team across the board and that really showed in the end. Some of Oylegate's less well-known players had performed very well in the last two weeks but Gorey were able to smother them today. Oylegate felt a bit reliant on a few key players and it felt to me that Gorey's gameplan was essentially to make the less well-known players beat them. Oylegate like to withdraw their forwards and then to run the ball from deep; from about 40 minutes on, Gorey allowed Oylegate to move the ball up to around their own 65m line. Then it seemed like Gorey set them a trap; they essentially clustered a lot of bodies in the middle and dared Oylegate to run through them or to else hit a long ball in against the wind to a 2v1 situation.
Charlie McGuckin and Conor McDonald probably the two Gorey stand-outs for me, Jack Cullen hurled relatively well, and I also thought Cian Ó Tuama was very strong for Gorey. Will say one thing though (Although amn't sure that it would have ended up making a huge difference in the end): I really thought Seán Doyle should have been sent off on a second yellow after 50 minutes, pulling down a lad like that when through on goal is generally a fairly cut-and-dry yellow card offence
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Replying To Viking66: "Junior A final was very disappointing. It got a little bit exciting as it got into the last 10 minutes but the standard was very poor. Ballyhogue hit the post at the end and if that had of gone in we would've had extra time. Was supporting the other blue and white team in the 2nd match so sorry to both for being bad luck. In the 6 games I went to this weekend only Clongeen won of the teams I was supporting.
The Senior final was an exciting game with a terrific atmosphere. It was attended by more people than any home intercounty game except the ones against Kilkenny I'd be guessing. Which is a real shame for our county team. Goreys backs were excellent, with the 2 Molloys outstanding. Such a shame they won't commit unlike their also excellent clubman Mcguckin. Cullen also was very good although looked a little sluggish at times. Mikey Kelly looked like he had bulked up also, though he too could do with doing a bit of speed work as unlike Cullen he has committed to the intercounty team. Duggan was excellent hopefully he might play for us as we badly need a keeper who can find men with short puckouts taken quickly. Said hard luck to him as he was leaving with his family I should've asked him although no doubt I'll see him in the gym sometime. Seamus Casey was also lively. Mac played well for a change, although his goal celebration would've looked better on a stage at a pop concert. Hopefully he can carry this form into the intercounty season next year. All in all Gorey were better on the day and deserved their win. Oylegate are coming though would be great to see them go 1 step further next year! On to the football now!" Mac has delivered on the big day for Goreys two titles in fairness to him. His points before half time were critical I thought. He made nearly every ball in the air stick to his hand, Shane Reck wasn't able for him. Missed a few silly ones, mind. McGukian great shooting from distance. Will certainly get his chance with the county in the half back line now.
Oylegate were just a bit flat today I thought, whether it was the occasion, schedule of games or a bit of both. Once Gorey pushed ahead in the second half they never looked like getting caught. Neither Reck impressed today, bar his goal Casey didn't have much impact either.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 398 - 20/08/2023 23:14:16
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My team of the Senior championship:
Andy Kennedy
Shane Reck
Niall Murphy
Damien Reck(Given every team drop a man out or play a sweeper he can have the free role)
Mike Kelly
Cian Molloy
Charlie Mcguckin ( Shoe in for player of the championship in my opinion)
Aodhan Doyle
Jack Reck
Cathal Dunbar
Seamus Casey
Jack Cullen
Rory O'Connor
Conor McDonald
Liam Og McGovern
Notable mentions Eoin Molloy, Cian O'Tuama, Padraig Doyle, Aaron Duggan, Ciaran Hourihane( very unlucky but lads picked generally marked the best forward of the opposition), Podge Doran, Aidan Rochford, Philip Dempsey, Liam Ryan, Sean Keane Carroll, Paudie Foley, Lee Chin. Special mention to Lorcan Nimmo too for his 8 points from play in essentially a relegation semi final. 8 of the 15 in the county panel this year another 4 previously in the panel or extended panel, add in Cian Molloy is a cert to be in the set up if he wants it.
In Intermediate caught 2 group games, 2 Qf's, both SF's and final. Stand out players from what I seen Tucker Kinsella in Askamore v Bunclody, for St James Robbie Barron, Colum Fitzgerald, Shane Murphy while O'Hanlon was outstanding in the final, Dean O'Toole and Niall Hughes for Tara Rocks v Fethard, Eoin Whelan, Garrett Foley, Cian Byrne and Mikie Dwyer for Fethard, Ian Carty, Cathal Doyle ( Individual performance of the year in the SF) and Stephen O'Gorman for Taghmon while Sean Keating, Gavin Murphy, Darragh Kehoe, Corey Bolger and Harry Kehoe for Cloughbawn.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 20/08/2023 23:44:14
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "I'm guessing the New Ross thing is mainly a response to how few New Ross District players there have been on Wexford Senior teams in the last 15 years. Matthew O'Hanlon has been a regular starter but other than that, there haven't been very many other regular New Ross starters. Mikie Dwyer, Éanna Martin, and Ian Carty have all played a bit but I'm guessing New Ross District people think (rightly or wrongly) that they have been overlooked in recent years.
As for today, Gorey probably had the better team across the board and that really showed in the end. Some of Oylegate's less well-known players had performed very well in the last two weeks but Gorey were able to smother them today. Oylegate felt a bit reliant on a few key players and it felt to me that Gorey's gameplan was essentially to make the less well-known players beat them. Oylegate like to withdraw their forwards and then to run the ball from deep; from about 40 minutes on, Gorey allowed Oylegate to move the ball up to around their own 65m line. Then it seemed like Gorey set them a trap; they essentially clustered a lot of bodies in the middle and dared Oylegate to run through them or to else hit a long ball in against the wind to a 2v1 situation.
Charlie McGuckin and Conor McDonald probably the two Gorey stand-outs for me, Jack Cullen hurled relatively well, and I also thought Cian Ó Tuama was very strong for Gorey. Will say one thing though (Although amn't sure that it would have ended up making a huge difference in the end): I really thought Seán Doyle should have been sent off on a second yellow after 50 minutes, pulling down a lad like that when through on goal is generally a fairly cut-and-dry yellow card offence" I thinks the lack of Ross District players on intercounty hurling teams has something to do with the relative success of the clubs at Football historically, although there are definitely signs of improvement and greater participation at hurling. Horeswood even have 2 u12 hurling teams. Currently St. James, Fethard, Gusserane are Senior in Football, while Horeswood, Clongeen, Taghmon, Bannow, Adamstown and Cushinstown are all Intermediate and all except Cushinstown, I think?, have been Senior in the last 15 years. Gers are in Intermediate A. No Ross District clubs 1st team is playing below Intermediate A.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15665 - 21/08/2023 08:04:06
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Replying To WexMurph: "From oylegate Would agree that Aaron Duggan and Mike Kelly (didn't play that well today I thought but had a good campaign and has all the physical attributes) should be giving a phone call. Seamus Casey deserves another crack at it also. For Gorey Charlie Mcguckin should really drive on next year and cement his place on the team. McDonald delivered today and that was the difference he's unmarkable at his best but it's a pity we only seen it once this year. Molloy the full back could have potential at inter county level. Two recks were unreal all year for oylegate. Podge played well but Gorey got to grips with him and had no plan b, same thing happened against st martins In the group game." Don't see it with Eoin Molloy really in terms of stepping up to the county team. Very good club player no doubt but not near Liam Ryan's level for example and carrying bit of timber too. World of difference playing full back at club level with a sweeper next to you and stepping up to county level. Cian for sure is good enough but didn't think he was at his best today, few wild efforts in second half.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 398 - 21/08/2023 09:07:16
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Watched the match this morning here, it was a good game but it didn't seem to spark to life very much except when Oylegate got their goals. Could have been my early start too.
Wexford Park has a notorious wind and it is not that easy to hurl with it like in most pitches.
I can't understand how Oylegate left Gorey 3-on-1 or more with Podge Doran throughout. Once Gorey snuffed that out and tied down Seamus Casey there was no way Oylegate could win. They will kick themselves with the long-range shots but they must not have had the numbers in there to do anything else. They are morale boosters when they go over but morale killers when they go wide.
McDonald showed all his class as did Charlie Mc, I love the way he hurls no thrash talking does his job quietly and is tough and fair. A dead sound man off the pitch too.
Oylegate to a man never gave up and its no day to kick a team when they are down.
Well done Gorey. Hopefully they can represent Wexford better than the last couple of champions.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1826 - 21/08/2023 09:22:15
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Watched the game on TG4 and I must say the pitch and grounds looked really well. The standard of the game was average enough to be honest and Oilgate really do not have the forwards to be winning a county title. McGuckian was outstanding as was Conor Mac. Alot of those Gorey lads have got a chance with the county panel in recent years and probably are a little below county standard but the two obvious ones to be tried if they could get the attititude right is jack Cullen and Cian Molloy. I really like O tuama- there is a bit of a mikey butler in him.
wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 191 - 21/08/2023 10:39:27
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Personally i never look at clubs as per their district.
There are clubs close to us that i would have time for and others that i dont, there are clubs in our district id hate to see winning and others id have no issue with. The same pretty much across the whole county really.
The whole shouting for teams because they come from my district thing i admit i dont get it.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1495 - 21/08/2023 10:50:21
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Watched back the match last night, never really caught fire at all. Naomh Eanna seemed to set there stall up very well in the second half and nullified Oylegates treat. Suppose they had more experience of the big day and new what changes to make. One thing I was disappointed with was the off the ball stuff. A Gorey man one time he knocked a ball off the Oylegate players hurl and started shouting in his face, not just once but a couple of times. Paudie Casey was fouled another time going through on goal and while down, the Gorey full back actually hit the hurl into his back, there was a close up of it on TV. Couldnt understand how the ref didnt see it as he was standing right in front of it.
This isnt anti Gorey, Im a neutral, I'm sure there was Oylegate players doing things not caught on tv. While I understand some of the stuff is part and parcel now in hurling, i dont like to see that kinda of unsportsmanship, maybe I'm old fashioned.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 475 - 21/08/2023 11:34:58
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Replying To Timbertony: "Mac has delivered on the big day for Goreys two titles in fairness to him. His points before half time were critical I thought. He made nearly every ball in the air stick to his hand, Shane Reck wasn't able for him. Missed a few silly ones, mind. McGukian great shooting from distance. Will certainly get his chance with the county in the half back line now.
Oylegate were just a bit flat today I thought, whether it was the occasion, schedule of games or a bit of both. Once Gorey pushed ahead in the second half they never looked like getting caught. Neither Reck impressed today, bar his goal Casey didn't have much impact either." Shane doesn't do as well on bigger lads. Struggled on Considine too. He's a better roving man marker. I thought we got the matchups wrong in that Dublin game. Shane Reck should've been on Burke and Matthew O Hanlon on Considine.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15665 - 21/08/2023 12:21:29
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Watched the match this morning here, it was a good game but it didn't seem to spark to life very much except when Oylegate got their goals. Could have been my early start too.
Wexford Park has a notorious wind and it is not that easy to hurl with it like in most pitches.
I can't understand how Oylegate left Gorey 3-on-1 or more with Podge Doran throughout. Once Gorey snuffed that out and tied down Seamus Casey there was no way Oylegate could win. They will kick themselves with the long-range shots but they must not have had the numbers in there to do anything else. They are morale boosters when they go over but morale killers when they go wide.
McDonald showed all his class as did Charlie Mc, I love the way he hurls no thrash talking does his job quietly and is tough and fair. A dead sound man off the pitch too.
Oylegate to a man never gave up and its no day to kick a team when they are down.
Well done Gorey. Hopefully they can represent Wexford better than the last couple of champions." Thought Mythen made a mistake playing a sweeper when they had the wind in the 1st half. An extra man inside when they were going long could've made a big difference for sure.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15665 - 21/08/2023 12:24:12
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Replying To wexfordwin: "Watched the game on TG4 and I must say the pitch and grounds looked really well. The standard of the game was average enough to be honest and Oilgate really do not have the forwards to be winning a county title. McGuckian was outstanding as was Conor Mac. Alot of those Gorey lads have got a chance with the county panel in recent years and probably are a little below county standard but the two obvious ones to be tried if they could get the attititude right is jack Cullen and Cian Molloy. I really like O tuama- there is a bit of a mikey butler in him." He did well for the u20s too
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15665 - 21/08/2023 12:24:45
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Replying To Viking66: "Shane doesn't do as well on bigger lads. Struggled on Considine too. He's a better roving man marker. I thought we got the matchups wrong in that Dublin game. Shane Reck should've been on Burke and Matthew O Hanlon on Considine." Shane is not strong in the air, even underage was never great under a high ball on a big man.
It's why Conor Mac struggles at inter county level because he's marking a big man at full back who can catch and is faster.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 921 - 21/08/2023 13:07:57
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "My team of the Senior championship:
Andy Kennedy
Shane Reck
Niall Murphy
Damien Reck(Given every team drop a man out or play a sweeper he can have the free role)
Mike Kelly
Cian Molloy
Charlie Mcguckin ( Shoe in for player of the championship in my opinion)
Aodhan Doyle
Jack Reck
Cathal Dunbar
Seamus Casey
Jack Cullen
Rory O'Connor
Conor McDonald
Liam Og McGovern
Notable mentions Eoin Molloy, Cian O'Tuama, Padraig Doyle, Aaron Duggan, Ciaran Hourihane( very unlucky but lads picked generally marked the best forward of the opposition), Podge Doran, Aidan Rochford, Philip Dempsey, Liam Ryan, Sean Keane Carroll, Paudie Foley, Lee Chin. Special mention to Lorcan Nimmo too for his 8 points from play in essentially a relegation semi final. 8 of the 15 in the county panel this year another 4 previously in the panel or extended panel, add in Cian Molloy is a cert to be in the set up if he wants it.
In Intermediate caught 2 group games, 2 Qf's, both SF's and final. Stand out players from what I seen Tucker Kinsella in Askamore v Bunclody, for St James Robbie Barron, Colum Fitzgerald, Shane Murphy while O'Hanlon was outstanding in the final, Dean O'Toole and Niall Hughes for Tara Rocks v Fethard, Eoin Whelan, Garrett Foley, Cian Byrne and Mikie Dwyer for Fethard, Ian Carty, Cathal Doyle ( Individual performance of the year in the SF) and Stephen O'Gorman for Taghmon while Sean Keating, Gavin Murphy, Darragh Kehoe, Corey Bolger and Harry Kehoe for Cloughbawn." Team of the championship
1.Andy Kennedy
2.Shane Reck
3.Richie kehoe
4.Cian otuama
5.Damien reck
6.Cian Molloy
7.Charlie mcguckin
8.Kevin Foyle
9.Aodhan Doyle
10.Jack Cullen
11.Lee chin
12.Conor mc
13.Liam og
14.Rory O'Connor
15.Seamus Casey
Manager of the year Des mythen
Player of the year Charlie mcGuckin
Club of the year Naomh Eanna
theboys (Wexford) - Posts: 259 - 21/08/2023 13:32:26
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Replying To Past hurler: "Shane is not strong in the air, even underage was never great under a high ball on a big man.
It's why Conor Mac struggles at inter county level because he's marking a big man at full back who can catch and is faster." Main problem with Mac at intercounty is he doesn't stay moving. In that final he made plenty of runs out to the sideline to stretch the Oylegate fullback line and then ran back inside for a ball played into the square. Never does anything like that for the county team.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15665 - 21/08/2023 13:33:50
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Replying To Viking66: "Shane doesn't do as well on bigger lads. Struggled on Considine too. He's a better roving man marker. I thought we got the matchups wrong in that Dublin game. Shane Reck should've been on Burke and Matthew O Hanlon on Considine." Yeah then again Mikey Kelly would probably have been next one to mark Mac but he was doing ok v Cullen. Thought Damien made a bad mistake for the first goal watching it back, there was already two defenders tracking Cullen when he left Doyle free to go across, Cullen did very well to get the pass across but Damien lost his head on that one.
Thought Oylegate should have tried Casey in next to Doran for a while when they were struggling for scores. Their half forward line lost all intensity after half time and Gorey were able to shoot for points. Gorey used the wind well I thought, can be easy to start lumping it up to Mac but they worked it through the lines up to likes of McGuckian most of the time. The goal Mac did get was probably a point attempt from Doran really. There was only one winner from there.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 398 - 21/08/2023 15:35:46
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Replying To Viking66: "Main problem with Mac at intercounty is he doesn't stay moving. In that final he made plenty of runs out to the sideline to stretch the Oylegate fullback line and then ran back inside for a ball played into the square. Never does anything like that for the county team." I went to the match yesterday and thought the same McDonald was moving for the ball throughout, whereas in Wexford matches he gets stuck in wrestling matches which is a backs game all day. The only other thing I would say is there was better ball going in to him yesterday than he'd get in some Wexford matches.
A good day out all round though yesterday even if the senior final threatended but never sparked to life. Well organised and Wexford Park was in great condition. What a shame there will be 7-8 months before some of them lads play hurling again. I'm a big advocate of 4G pitches and think hurling should be played throughout the winter on them if Wexford made an investment in one or two. Winter leagues, etc. Its better than playing soccer on a bog and if the product was good it would keep players invested and hurling. Obviously after the football championship but no reason why 13 a side cup type competitions couldn't be played for those players and clubs who want. Hurling 365 is only a children's initiative, its more important that adult teams get more hurling. My own will miss it once their season ends.
There has to be a better way.
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Replying To Timbertony: "Yeah then again Mikey Kelly would probably have been next one to mark Mac but he was doing ok v Cullen. Thought Damien made a bad mistake for the first goal watching it back, there was already two defenders tracking Cullen when he left Doyle free to go across, Cullen did very well to get the pass across but Damien lost his head on that one.
Thought Oylegate should have tried Casey in next to Doran for a while when they were struggling for scores. Their half forward line lost all intensity after half time and Gorey were able to shoot for points. Gorey used the wind well I thought, can be easy to start lumping it up to Mac but they worked it through the lines up to likes of McGuckian most of the time. The goal Mac did get was probably a point attempt from Doran really. There was only one winner from there." Mikey Kelly has had a good year. A bit of sprint and speed work would help him though. 1st 5 or 10 yard stuff.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15665 - 21/08/2023 16:29:17
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I went to the match yesterday and thought the same McDonald was moving for the ball throughout, whereas in Wexford matches he gets stuck in wrestling matches which is a backs game all day. The only other thing I would say is there was better ball going in to him yesterday than he'd get in some Wexford matches.
A good day out all round though yesterday even if the senior final threatended but never sparked to life. Well organised and Wexford Park was in great condition. What a shame there will be 7-8 months before some of them lads play hurling again. I'm a big advocate of 4G pitches and think hurling should be played throughout the winter on them if Wexford made an investment in one or two. Winter leagues, etc. Its better than playing soccer on a bog and if the product was good it would keep players invested and hurling. Obviously after the football championship but no reason why 13 a side cup type competitions couldn't be played for those players and clubs who want. Hurling 365 is only a children's initiative, its more important that adult teams get more hurling. My own will miss it once their season ends.
There has to be a better way." Half those lads will be hurling in late October in Leinster and more again in late November when the intercounty lads get back together, and the lads at college will be hurling again next month. For the rest they will be hurling again in January/February when the clubs get back in training.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15665 - 21/08/2023 16:32:58
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Replying To Viking66: "Half those lads will be hurling in late October in Leinster and more again in late November when the intercounty lads get back together, and the lads at college will be hurling again next month. For the rest they will be hurling again in January/February when the clubs get back in training." Not many clubs go back in January/February any more, in our club they don't anyway. No point training in Jan/Feb for a championship in July, league games or not.
I didn't mean Naomh Eanna, I meant in general for the whole county. Even clubs who didn't even make quarters, they are done nearly a month already. Its better if people are hurling more for hurling in Wexford.
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