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Replying To tiobraid:  "Looking back at it theres no doubt he wanted to leave something on Egan. There was def intent there and highly dangerous. Equally as bad as Shane Kingsons tackle in last years league.
So much is made of touching a faceguard but 9 times out of 10 that isnt likely to cause injury but fully appreciate why the rule was brought in.
The one at the weekend was probably even more dangerous than Richie Hogans as he caught him square on. It had a huge influence on the game as Egan is one of Offalys more direct and physical players and was a huge loss"
It was no worse that Ronan Maher's tackle on Darragh Fitzgibbon down in the Páirc which wasn't called. Egan didn't get injured from that incident, he suffered a rib injury.

Frontier1000 (Cork) - Posts: 60 - 06/06/2023 11:48:47    2484352

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Cork's physicality (allied to some incredible young hurlers) had a huge bearing on the game as for the majority of the time they used it well and used it legally, what's really frustrating here is that there were clear cut instances where they got it wrong but suffered no consequence for it. The referee wanted to let it flow, which does add to the spectacle, but, if there is a foul call it and card it appropriately otherwise you get what we saw on Sunday.
The onus should always be on the tackler to ensure that they are withing the confines of the rulebook if they want to make dominant hit, if they get it right it looks great and sets the tone for the rest of the game, if they get it wrong though and this can happen in a split second/half second then its face the consequences time. If you live by the sword then you can die by it too!
Incidentally why did Ben O Connor wait for so long to put Downey back as the sweeper seeing as he has played very well there for Cork seniors.

keepitlit (Longford) - Posts: 31 - 06/06/2023 13:04:32    2484392

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Replying To Frontier1000:  "It was no worse that Ronan Maher's tackle on Darragh Fitzgibbon down in the Páirc which wasn't called. Egan didn't get injured from that incident, he suffered a rib injury."
Correct! Lots of head high tackles go unpunished. Daithí Burke's tackle on Harnedy in last year's quarter final is notable, but guaranteed you can have one in every game. Rugby is a tougher game, but better policed, and use VAR to great effect. No surprise that 11 of the Munster starters in South Africa were from Cork, and good to see that Ben O' Connor already on Ireland's under 19 team. Good luck to him !

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 103 - 06/06/2023 14:14:55    2484420

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Replying To Frontier1000:  "It was no worse that Ronan Maher's tackle on Darragh Fitzgibbon down in the Páirc which wasn't called. Egan didn't get injured from that incident, he suffered a rib injury."
Was that from Downey shouldering him in the back along the sideline?

keepitlit (Longford) - Posts: 31 - 06/06/2023 14:37:50    2484426

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Replying To Frontier1000:  "It was no worse that Ronan Maher's tackle on Darragh Fitzgibbon down in the Páirc which wasn't called. Egan didn't get injured from that incident, he suffered a rib injury."
Genuinely dont remember this one. Have you a clip? Not being smart but I dont remember a bad tackle off the top of my head

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 06/06/2023 14:40:44    2484427

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Genuinely dont remember this one. Have you a clip? Not being smart but I dont remember a bad tackle off the top of my head"
Just Google it! It's on YouTube. Google "Ronan Maher tackle" !

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 103 - 06/06/2023 14:45:21    2484430

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Replying To Frontier1000:  "It was no worse that Ronan Maher's tackle on Darragh Fitzgibbon down in the Páirc which wasn't called. Egan didn't get injured from that incident, he suffered a rib injury."
He didnt get injured from it?? Are you serious? He was visibly as rattled as I've seen any player in a game of hurling. You could clearly see the impact it had on him after that. It was a massive turning point. Cork targetted certain Offaly players for "special treatment" and that was evident from two mins in.
Downey spent 70 mins goading players

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 06/06/2023 14:45:30    2484431

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This under 20 final controversy will blow over with time. Cork were by far the better team, and Offaly were probably a bit out of their depth. Cork's playing style is evolving from the "tippy tappy" style , to a more direct, robust game.More like the style employed by Limerick and Kilkenny under Cody. Players picked will be physically bigger,and ball winning ability will be paramount! Anyway, big game on Sunday between Limerick and Clare will undoubtedly have more controversy!

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 103 - 06/06/2023 14:53:55    2484434

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Replying To tiobraid:  "He didnt get injured from it?? Are you serious? He was visibly as rattled as I've seen any player in a game of hurling. You could clearly see the impact it had on him after that. It was a massive turning point. Cork targetted certain Offaly players for "special treatment" and that was evident from two mins in.
Downey spent 70 mins goading players"
https://youtu.be/iYJpyINh_E8
That's your link for the Maher incident. Of course Egan was injured, I meant to say that's not what caused him to go off. As I'm fairly sure it was reported he suffered a rib injury. As for goading players, Screeney and the other Offaly players were well able to respond and goad the Cork players after they scored.

Frontier1000 (Cork) - Posts: 60 - 06/06/2023 14:57:17    2484437

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Replying To tiobraid:  "He didnt get injured from it?? Are you serious? He was visibly as rattled as I've seen any player in a game of hurling. You could clearly see the impact it had on him after that. It was a massive turning point. Cork targetted certain Offaly players for "special treatment" and that was evident from two mins in.
Downey spent 70 mins goading players"
Unless you've been hibernating the last few years, head high tackles are numerous and usually go unpunished. They didn't originate last Sunday. This year's beauties were Ronan Maher on Fitzgibbon, and Seamus Flanagan on Bennett of Waterford . The daddy of them all was in the 2009 all Ireland football final by Tadhg Kennelly on Nicholas Murphy. Nasty, premeditated and no red card!

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 103 - 06/06/2023 15:05:23    2484440

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Replying To Frontier1000:  "https://youtu.be/iYJpyINh_E8
That's your link for the Maher incident. Of course Egan was injured, I meant to say that's not what caused him to go off. As I'm fairly sure it was reported he suffered a rib injury. As for goading players, Screeney and the other Offaly players were well able to respond and goad the Cork players after they scored."
I can't disagree that this wasn't a red card either. Head high tackle where you don't attempt to pull out of the tackle when you could have should always be a red card.
I don't think it's the same as Kingston's though but no point going into why.

Anyway, well done on the win. Two proper hurling teams and I hope we see a lot more of that Offaly team in the next few years. They might have been out of their depth in terms of size and physicality but not in terms of hurling and skill level.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 06/06/2023 15:11:52    2484446

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Replying To Ryanteam:  "This under 20 final controversy will blow over with time. Cork were by far the better team, and Offaly were probably a bit out of their depth. Cork's playing style is evolving from the "tippy tappy" style , to a more direct, robust game.More like the style employed by Limerick and Kilkenny under Cody. Players picked will be physically bigger,and ball winning ability will be paramount! Anyway, big game on Sunday between Limerick and Clare will undoubtedly have more controversy!"
Yes, there is a definite change in Cork's approach and there is nothing wrong with a "more direct, robust game". It certainly helped them win last Sunday, but they didn't dominate either Clare or Limerick like they dominated Offaly in the second half. I wouldn't assume that many of this team will come through to senior level. They won't enjoy the same advantages in age and phisique that were very evident against Offaly, and they won't necessarily be able to brush past opponents at senior level in the same way. If they get three or four seniors from this team that will be a good haul.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 512 - 06/06/2023 15:52:25    2484472

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Replying To midlands:  "Yes, there is a definite change in Cork's approach and there is nothing wrong with a "more direct, robust game". It certainly helped them win last Sunday, but they didn't dominate either Clare or Limerick like they dominated Offaly in the second half. I wouldn't assume that many of this team will come through to senior level. They won't enjoy the same advantages in age and phisique that were very evident against Offaly, and they won't necessarily be able to brush past opponents at senior level in the same way. If they get three or four seniors from this team that will be a good haul."
I agree. But 3 or 4 lads making it to Senior in any given year is a great return!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 9701 - 06/06/2023 17:17:41    2484507

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Replying To Ryanteam:  "Unless you've been hibernating the last few years, head high tackles are numerous and usually go unpunished. They didn't originate last Sunday. This year's beauties were Ronan Maher on Fitzgibbon, and Seamus Flanagan on Bennett of Waterford . The daddy of them all was in the 2009 all Ireland football final by Tadhg Kennelly on Nicholas Murphy. Nasty, premeditated and no red card!"
Doesn't make it right and doesn't mean that it shouldn't be punished.The more players get away with it the more likely they are to do it.If Shane Kingston had been red carded as deserved I can guarantee you that no other player would have tried it.

Alwaysencourage (Galway) - Posts: 128 - 06/06/2023 19:02:57    2484539

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Replying To keepitlit:  "Was that from Downey shouldering him in the back along the sideline?"
You'd do well to find many cleaner shoulders. That is where Egan got injured and I thought it was pretty clean. Egan got caught running down the line which is never a good idea in either code, but definitely not in that circumstance. A tough lesson I think we've all learned when making the step up to senior from juvenile.

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 309 - 06/06/2023 21:44:27    2484567

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The shoulder was perfect,it reminded me a bit of Maher on canning in croke park.

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2048 - 07/06/2023 10:28:55    2484666

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