National Forum

Dublin Advantage?

(Oldest Posts First) - Go To The Latest Post


Replying To oneoff:  "It's also funny how you keep going on about maths and figures.

Here's one for you. €21 million in funding is a larger number than what anyone gets. But of course that has nothing to do with it either does it?

But again if you and others have such an issue with Dublin playing in Croke Park why don't you bring it up with your club so they can bring it up with the CB? Seeing as it's such an issue with bring forced to play there all the time?"
Why would we be bothered bringing this issue to our clubs? We have no issue. We play where we are told to play.

Same with funding or home advantage. We take what the other 31 counties want us to take.

Because again, I can't believe I have to explain this Dublin is just one county of 32 and one is less than 32.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 07/05/2023 13:28:34    2476358

Link

Replying To MesAmis:  "Why would we be bothered bringing this issue to our clubs? We have no issue. We play where we are told to play.

Same with funding or home advantage. We take what the other 31 counties want us to take.

Because again, I can't believe I have to explain this Dublin is just one county of 32 and one is less than 32."
If it's not an issue why do you and others make out your being forced into playing in Croke Park? As I said you keep throwing out the line of going where we're told as if it's negative. Or are you now going to change your mind about it?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 07/05/2023 15:15:39    2476389

Link

Replying To Liffeylad:  "You have obviously never travelled in evening traffic in Dublin"
Does it take 3/4 hours?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 07/05/2023 15:16:20    2476391

Link

Replying To oneoff:  "If it's not an issue why do you and others make out your being forced into playing in Croke Park? As I said you keep throwing out the line of going where we're told as if it's negative. Or are you now going to change your mind about it?"
If you think that we're being negative about it then you keep going for it bud! You do you mo chara. I've never said it was negative. That's all you.

You're just disagreeing with a poster who's only point is that 1 is less than 11 and 31.

Dubs play where they're told to play, same as everyone else.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 07/05/2023 15:36:56    2476403

Link

Replying To Liffeylad:  "You have obviously never travelled in evening traffic in Dublin"
I hate traffic lol but I'm sure it's still a lot less time consuming than rural roads,, I also forgot to mention the fact that so many intercounty players outside Dublin don't live in their county and train separately (I assume) which also can't help.
Again not Dublins fault tho.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1721 - 07/05/2023 15:53:44    2476418

Link

Replying To oneoff:  "Does it take 3/4 hours?"
If you get stuck behind an accident on the M50 which happens on a regular basis yes it could take a couple of hours

Liffeylad (Dublin) - Posts: 74 - 07/05/2023 16:21:06    2476436

Link

Replying To TheUsername:  "Don't know where this myth comes from i watched Dublin play league games in Croke Park in the 90s. was a pound into, and you'd get three cans or bars from a pram for 50p."
So basically what you're saying Dublin were at a disadvantage when they weren't playing league games in Croke Park is it? Because they went on one of their longest spells without an All-Ireland when they weren't?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 07/05/2023 16:42:25    2476444

Link

Replying To TheUsername:  "Don't know where this myth comes from i watched Dublin play league games in Croke Park in the 90s. was a pound into, and you'd get three cans or bars from a pram for 50p."
Three bars for 50p?Savy Dubs charged me 3 for a pound back in the day.

Proudroyal (Meath) - Posts: 258 - 07/05/2023 16:50:16    2476449

Link

Replying To oneoff:  "So basically what you're saying Dublin were at a disadvantage when they weren't playing league games in Croke Park is it? Because they went on one of their longest spells without an All-Ireland when they weren't?"
Dublin used to play all their league matches in Croke Park. It was only after the redevelopment of Parnell Park in the 1990s that the footballers and hurlers began playing there on a regular basis.

Báireoir (Dublin) - Posts: 80 - 07/05/2023 17:00:35    2476454

Link

Replying To oneoff:  "It's also funny how you keep going on about maths and figures.

Here's one for you. €21 million in funding is a larger number than what anyone gets. But of course that has nothing to do with it either does it?

But again if you and others have such an issue with Dublin playing in Croke Park why don't you bring it up with your club so they can bring it up with the CB? Seeing as it's such an issue with bring forced to play there all the time?"
People are very quick to mention Dublin's funding, but they always forget to mention what the other counties are getting. Dublin have gotten €21.8 million since 2007 and they've won 8 out 32 available All-Irelands since then. The nine highest "earners" after Dublin are Cork (€2.8 million, 1 All-Ireland), Antrim (€2.3 million, no All-Irelands), Meath (€2.1 million, no All-Irelands), Kildare (€1.9 million, no All-Irelands), Derry (€1.9 million, no All-Irelands), Wicklow (€1.6 million, no All-Irelands), Louth (€1.6 million, no All-Irelands), Wexford (€1.6 million, no All-Irelands), and Laois (€1.6 million, no All-Irelands).

Kerry are 11th (€1.5 million, 2 All-Irelands)
Tipperary are 12th (€1.5 million, 3 All-Irelands)
Galway are 13th (€1.5 million, 1 All-Ireland)
Limerick are 18th (€1.3 million, 4 All-Irelands)
Kilkenny are 21st (€1.1 million, 7 All-Irelands)
Donegal are 22nd (€1.1 million, 1 All-Ireland)
Tyrone are 30th (€0.9 million, 2 All-Irelands)

If funding was the key factor it is said to be, then Antrim, Meath, Kildare and Derry should have been winning All-Irelands alongside Dublin and Cork, instead of Kilkenny or Tyrone. Instead, counties like Meath and Kildare seem to have been spending more time worrying about how often the Dubs play in Croker.

Obviously, funding is very important, and it has helped Gaelic games grow in Dublin, which has contributed to on-field success, at least in football. But at the same time a county with a larger population is always going to need more funding than one with a smaller population. And the overheads that the clubs in Dublin have to put up with are far in excess of what other counties are dealing with, which means the funding is very much needed for coaching. But clearly there is still a considerable imbalance that needs to be redressed. Whether a per capita or per player system is fairer I can't answer, but I certainly think the funding needs to be apportioned far more fairly to help the counties that are really struggling.

From a hurling perspective I think there needs to be a big injections of funds and coaching support to help the 9 counties that have been up and down between Christy Ring, Joe McDonagh, and the Leinster SHC in the last few years. If these counties could be brought up to a level where they could legitimately challenge for League or Leinster titles it would be a much-needed boost for hurling.

Báireoir (Dublin) - Posts: 80 - 07/05/2023 17:26:07    2476459

Link

Replying To MesAmis:  "If you think that we're being negative about it then you keep going for it bud! You do you mo chara. I've never said it was negative. That's all you.

You're just disagreeing with a poster who's only point is that 1 is less than 11 and 31.

Dubs play where they're told to play, same as everyone else."
If it's not an issue why do Dubs have such obsession with telling everyone how they'd love to play outside of Croke Park? Is there an issue so many are so keen not to play there?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 07/05/2023 18:09:25    2476474

Link

Replying To Báireoir:  "People are very quick to mention Dublin's funding, but they always forget to mention what the other counties are getting. Dublin have gotten €21.8 million since 2007 and they've won 8 out 32 available All-Irelands since then. The nine highest "earners" after Dublin are Cork (€2.8 million, 1 All-Ireland), Antrim (€2.3 million, no All-Irelands), Meath (€2.1 million, no All-Irelands), Kildare (€1.9 million, no All-Irelands), Derry (€1.9 million, no All-Irelands), Wicklow (€1.6 million, no All-Irelands), Louth (€1.6 million, no All-Irelands), Wexford (€1.6 million, no All-Irelands), and Laois (€1.6 million, no All-Irelands).

Kerry are 11th (€1.5 million, 2 All-Irelands)
Tipperary are 12th (€1.5 million, 3 All-Irelands)
Galway are 13th (€1.5 million, 1 All-Ireland)
Limerick are 18th (€1.3 million, 4 All-Irelands)
Kilkenny are 21st (€1.1 million, 7 All-Irelands)
Donegal are 22nd (€1.1 million, 1 All-Ireland)
Tyrone are 30th (€0.9 million, 2 All-Irelands)

If funding was the key factor it is said to be, then Antrim, Meath, Kildare and Derry should have been winning All-Irelands alongside Dublin and Cork, instead of Kilkenny or Tyrone. Instead, counties like Meath and Kildare seem to have been spending more time worrying about how often the Dubs play in Croker.

Obviously, funding is very important, and it has helped Gaelic games grow in Dublin, which has contributed to on-field success, at least in football. But at the same time a county with a larger population is always going to need more funding than one with a smaller population. And the overheads that the clubs in Dublin have to put up with are far in excess of what other counties are dealing with, which means the funding is very much needed for coaching. But clearly there is still a considerable imbalance that needs to be redressed. Whether a per capita or per player system is fairer I can't answer, but I certainly think the funding needs to be apportioned far more fairly to help the counties that are really struggling.

From a hurling perspective I think there needs to be a big injections of funds and coaching support to help the 9 counties that have been up and down between Christy Ring, Joe McDonagh, and the Leinster SHC in the last few years. If these counties could be brought up to a level where they could legitimately challenge for League or Leinster titles it would be a much-needed boost for hurling."
But have we not been told for years population doesn't matter because not everyone in Dublin played GAA? Because of course no other county is efforted by other sports etc

Imo the funding Antrim receive for hurling in particular is something that should be spoken about much more as they've received huge amounts compared to other Ulster counties.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 07/05/2023 18:13:07    2476476

Link

Replying To Liffeylad:  "You have obviously never travelled in evening traffic in Dublin"
I'd take Bellmullet to Castlebar, over rush hour/s in Dublin., especially in the Winter out to Innisfallis.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 07/05/2023 20:06:38    2476523

Link

Replying To TheUsername:  "I'd take Bellmullet to Castlebar, over rush hour/s in Dublin., especially in the Winter out to Innisfallis."
But that's not what the poster was talking about now was it?

Then again nothing new there with you making up things to suit you.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 08/05/2023 07:40:21    2476594

Link

Replying To oneoff:  "If it's not an issue why do Dubs have such obsession with telling everyone how they'd love to play outside of Croke Park? Is there an issue so many are so keen not to play there?"
I think your use of the word obsession tells us a lot.

We're just pointing out the fact that Dublin playing in Croke Park is not Dublin's decision.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 08/05/2023 10:18:39    2476630

Link

Replying To hyperache:  "Croke Park is the national venue, the biggest games are played there, and there's absolutely no doubt that playing all of your home games there is going to give some kind of advantage.

Come All Ireland semi-final or final day - how many games will Dublin have played there in comparison to their likely rivals at that stage (Kerry, Mayo, Galway etc..) You'd have to be a fool to think that it's not a factor.

Familiarity alone is a massive factor, and Glenn Ryan was definitely right about some of the dark arts that Dublin are at on the sidelines and in the dressing rooms, and it tight games - those are huge things. Croke Park should only be used for League Finals, Leinster Final (as it's the best stadium in the province) and All Ireland 1/4 final onwards.

Dublin nor anyone should be allowed to use Croke Park as a home venue. I'm not for one second attributing Dublin's success to the fact they get to use Croke Park as a home venue, but at the very top level, in those tightest games, sometimes little things like familiarity and crowd support get you over the line."
What exactly are these "dark arts" that Dublin are supposedly at on the sideline and in the dressing rooms??

TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 206 - 08/05/2023 10:29:08    2476642

Link

Replying To MesAmis:  "I think your use of the word obsession tells us a lot.

We're just pointing out the fact that Dublin playing in Croke Park is not Dublin's decision."
But that's not actually true is it?

It is Dublins decision as they're voting for it themselves. Say it's not relevant all you want.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 08/05/2023 12:03:51    2476685

Link

Replying To oneoff:  "But that's not actually true is it?

It is Dublins decision as they're voting for it themselves. Say it's not relevant all you want."
So you're back to the argument that 1 is a bigger number than 11 or 31 again I see. In some ways I admire your commitment to ignorance.

You really should have learned all about numbers and their value in Primary School.

1 has a lesser value than 11 or 31.

Dublin can vote all they want to play every game ever in Croke Park, if the other counties don't want the Dubs in Croker then they outvote Dublin every time, because 1 is a lesser number than 11.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 08/05/2023 12:21:34    2476693

Link

Replying To oneoff:  "But have we not been told for years population doesn't matter because not everyone in Dublin played GAA? Because of course no other county is efforted by other sports etc

Imo the funding Antrim receive for hurling in particular is something that should be spoken about much more as they've received huge amounts compared to other Ulster counties."
If you're trying to get more people involved in Gaelic games, providing funding on a per capita basis actually does make quite a lot of sense. Antrim (particularly Belfast) and Dublin have to be targets for GAA funding simply because they are the two largest population centres in the country but Gaelic games aren't (or at least weren't) particular strong there. Cork is slightly different in this regard as football and hurling have both always been strong there. If hurling and football are to be our national games they need to be popular in our two largest cities.

I notice you'e ignored almost everything I said, how telling. Why is it that Tyrone and Kilkenny can win All-Irelands but Meath and Kildare can't? Surely funding + population should make Meath and Kildare powerhouses, especially as they are largely football counties.

Báireoir (Dublin) - Posts: 80 - 08/05/2023 12:48:07    2476703

Link

Replying To MesAmis:  "So you're back to the argument that 1 is a bigger number than 11 or 31 again I see. In some ways I admire your commitment to ignorance.

You really should have learned all about numbers and their value in Primary School.

1 has a lesser value than 11 or 31.

Dublin can vote all they want to play every game ever in Croke Park, if the other counties don't want the Dubs in Croker then they outvote Dublin every time, because 1 is a lesser number than 11."
And you're back to saying Dublin don't decide where they play.

It's very simple you keep saying Dublin don't have any say in where they play. Is that right or wrong? If they're voting to play in Croke Park what exactly are they doing?

There's no need for one of your essays just a simple answer. Surely that's not too difficult for you now is it?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 08/05/2023 13:17:01    2476711

Link