HoganStand GAA Football and Hurling

National Forum

Joe McDonagh Cup 2023

(Oldest Posts First) - Go To The Latest Post

You need to Login to Post

I don't think a straight final helps the McDonagh. Possibly a 2nd v 3rd final can be a good fit. The crowds are low though to be fair. Laois had a great crowd against Dublin years ago but that support isn't holding. To see a crowd like that for a Carlow v Laois semi-final would be a good starting point. Are Offaly likely to get a big support for their home preliminary quarter-final? legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8773 - 10/05/2023 10:35:23 2477224 Link
Replying To carlovia: "And Westmeath, Offaly and Carlow. Its a great competition for teams to play a lot of matches against teams the same standard. Its helped Westmeath get up to a level where they drew with Wexford. Its helped Offaly get back to a decent standard after their recent drop. Its helped Carlow get back to a level where they can compete with the best teams in the MacDonagh cup." Okay but why should get more coverage if people within those counties are not turning up. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 10/05/2023 17:31:42 2477404 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "I don't think a straight final helps the McDonagh. Possibly a 2nd v 3rd final can be a good fit. The crowds are low though to be fair. Laois had a great crowd against Dublin years ago but that support isn't holding. To see a crowd like that for a Carlow v Laois semi-final would be a good starting point. Are Offaly likely to get a big support for their home preliminary quarter-final?" I'd say Offaly will get a crowd if they get far. They had a massive crowd at the minor Leinster final, all Ireland semi and final the other year. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 254 - 10/05/2023 20:50:54 2477434 Link
Replying To Rolo2010: "I don't think it has been the success some hurling fans make it out to be. Low attendances and no real increase in quality with the exception of Antrim." Agree but a lot of the fault lies with the GAA. You only have to look at promotion of of Football B championship V Hurling B Championship. GAA put much more effort into football promotion and that is reflected in both attendances and coverage of games outside the the top 10 in both codes. dingle82 (Down) - Posts: 231 - 11/05/2023 10:26:35 2477512 Link
Replying To Rolo2010: "Okay but why should get more coverage if people within those counties are not turning up." The way to generate interest in the competition is to televise it. I don't think people in their own counties know how good hurlers like Marty Kavanagh, Shane Conway, Paddy Purcell are. Would love to see TG4 cover all the games. carlovia (None) - Posts: 1536 - 11/05/2023 10:35:41 2477516 Link
Replying To dingle82: "Agree but a lot of the fault lies with the GAA. You only have to look at promotion of of Football B championship V Hurling B Championship. GAA put much more effort into football promotion and that is reflected in both attendances and coverage of games outside the the top 10 in both codes." Well said, the gaa are at fault. They haven't managed proper promotion of hurling in nearly 150 years of existence. Unusedsub (Carlow) - Posts: 116 - 11/05/2023 13:37:02 2477594 Link
Replying To dingle82: "Agree but a lot of the fault lies with the GAA. You only have to look at promotion of of Football B championship V Hurling B Championship. GAA put much more effort into football promotion and that is reflected in both attendances and coverage of games outside the the top 10 in both codes." More teams in the B football championship though. I think the hurling champ would be much better and easier to promote if it were 3 tiers of 12 but then I suppose the lack of quality comes into play. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 11/05/2023 18:00:16 2477715 Link
Saturday 13 May Joe McDonagh Cup round 5 Kildare v Down, Hawkfield, 5.30pm Carlow v Offaly, Netwatch Cullen Park, 5.30pm Kerry v Laois, Austin Stack Park, 5.30pm Kildare, Carlow and Laois are favourites this weekend. Carlow v Offaly final. Down going to the Ring. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8773 - 12/05/2023 16:26:25 2477931 Link
Joe McDonagh Cup round 5 Kildare 3-13 Down 1-27, Hawkfield FT Carlow 1-29 Offaly 0-14, Netwatch Cullen Park FT Kerry 0-21 Laois 4-23, Austin Stack Park FT A sensible defeat for Offaly judging by Laois' win. Kildare is a surprising defeat. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8773 - 13/05/2023 19:16:49 2478109 Link
Great to see Carlow in final A reverse of last year when Kerry played a weakened Antrim team and snuck into final despite us beating Offaly Hammered what must have being a much weakened Offaly team today I think the final will be tight in 2 weeks Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 755 - 13/05/2023 19:21:30 2478111 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Joe McDonagh Cup round 5 Kildare 3-13 Down 1-27, Hawkfield FT Carlow 1-29 Offaly 0-14, Netwatch Cullen Park FT Kerry 0-21 Laois 4-23, Austin Stack Park FT A sensible defeat for Offaly judging by Laois' win. Kildare is a surprising defeat." Down result no real surprise - should a hit 3-30+ last week again Carlow & prob targeted the one game to stay up. Best two teams in final. Should be a cracker. HurlingObserver (Down) - Posts: 66 - 13/05/2023 19:50:44 2478117 Link
Is the Joe Mc Donagh final a stand alone fixture in Croke Park on 28th May Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 755 - 13/05/2023 20:07:06 2478127 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Joe McDonagh Cup round 5 Kildare 3-13 Down 1-27, Hawkfield FT Carlow 1-29 Offaly 0-14, Netwatch Cullen Park FT Kerry 0-21 Laois 4-23, Austin Stack Park FT A sensible defeat for Offaly judging by Laois' win. Kildare is a surprising defeat." Mmmm. I don't think there will be much fellow feeling across in Queen's County this evening. Offaly of course well entitled to rest players given the schedule they are on in senior and 20s, but it is indicative of what can happen in the final round. Might yet be a factor in other round robins too .... BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3506 - 13/05/2023 20:33:32 2478141 Link
Replying To Blackbog: "Is the Joe Mc Donagh final a stand alone fixture in Croke Park on 28th May" Dublin v Galway hurling and possibly Dublin v Ros football on there that day. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2292 - 13/05/2023 20:44:17 2478148 Link
Replying To Blackbog: "Is the Joe Mc Donagh final a stand alone fixture in Croke Park on 28th May" Curtain raiser to the U20 final this year. The finalists will have three weeks to get ready for the preliminary quarter-finals. Teams can celebrate and recover for a week after the final before possibly using two weeks to prepare for a free hit. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8773 - 13/05/2023 20:46:54 2478151 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Curtain raiser to the U20 final this year. The finalists will have three weeks to get ready for the preliminary quarter-finals. Teams can celebrate and recover for a week after the final before possibly using two weeks to prepare for a free hit." What would hapyig Offaly were in both matches? Wouldn't be ideal. I'm sure the big-wigs thought a Joe McDonagh county wouldn't make an u20 final skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 254 - 13/05/2023 22:42:24 2478197 Link
Offaly really screwed a good Laois team over. Laois should have really beaten Carlow on that day I suppose. It'll be a tough division next year with Westmeath and Laois. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 254 - 14/05/2023 09:41:49 2478235 Link
Replying To skirge7: "Offaly really screwed a good Laois team over. Laois should have really beaten Carlow on that day I suppose. It'll be a tough division next year with Westmeath and Laois." It is not Offaly's job to get Laois to a final in fairness! They were perfectly entitled to pick whatever team they chose, especially given the amount of games they've played in short period and the cross over with the under 20s. It does, however, point to a flaw in round robins that will have collateral damage. Same possibly will happen in final round of Leinster senior and is almost a certainty in the football groups, where it is not beyond bounds of possibility that qualified teams will be able to avoid others if they were so inclined. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3506 - 14/05/2023 11:13:13 2478251 Link
Replying To skirge7: "Offaly really screwed a good Laois team over. Laois should have really beaten Carlow on that day I suppose. It'll be a tough division next year with Westmeath and Laois." On what grounds do you assume a fully strength Offaly would have beaten Carlow? Who were unbeaten coming into the game, and beat Offaly (by five points) last year? And if Leix are 'really good' why didn't they beat Carlow? They had their chance. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 853 - 14/05/2023 11:17:39 2478252 Link
Replying To CARPS: "On what grounds do you assume a fully strength Offaly would have beaten Carlow? Who were unbeaten coming into the game, and beat Offaly (by five points) last year? And if Leix are 'really good' why didn't they beat Carlow? They had their chance." Good point. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3506 - 14/05/2023 11:53:12 2478264 Link