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Meath lmao
OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1792 - 28/03/2023 12:16:50 2467279 Link 1 |
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Provincial runner's-up shouldn't be ranked ahead of higher league teams. It should be a flaw to be ironed out.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8773 - 28/03/2023 12:25:20 2467282 Link 1 |
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in that scenario yourselves and derry would swap seeds
armaghfan02 (Armagh) - Posts: 39 - 28/03/2023 12:26:06 2467283 Link 0 |
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Dublin, Mayo, Kerry, Derry honda15 (Longford) - Posts: 94 - 28/03/2023 12:44:04 2467293 Link 1 |
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Totally agree - 12 non-Prov Champs based on league instead.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 3235 - 28/03/2023 16:16:19 2467387 Link 1 |
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Yes, Muns/Conn and Ulster/Lein are linked, so expect: omahant (USA) - Posts: 3235 - 28/03/2023 17:22:53 2467418 Link 0 |
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Fantastic! We are in agreement! ;-)
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8773 - 28/03/2023 17:35:00 2467427 Link 0 |
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Disagree. What you are saying is that the the AI series is only open to the Top 12 teams in the league. This is a championship and primarily based upon championship performance. If you go wiith seeding a league finish higher than provincial championship performance, it would be death nail for provincial series.
Jack L (None) - Posts: 3149 - 28/03/2023 20:51:44 2467472 Link 0 |
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Sligo or Leitrim ranked above higher league teams is a flaw. The exception being if they win their province. All provinces produce 1 provincial winner. Different seeding structures can lessen the achievement of making a provincial final.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8773 - 29/03/2023 10:51:07 2467515 Link 1 |
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Which groups will the 3rd and 4th seeds go in to?
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1148 - 29/03/2023 11:20:08 2467525 Link 0 |
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This is a championship so championship performance should carry weight. If the only championship seeding was provincial winners only and the remainder based on the league you might as well get rid of the provincial series and go straight from league to All Ireland series. Take Leinster. No other county other than Dublin will win Leinster anytime soon. If only winners got into AI series, what is the point of the other 10 counties competing (I know it is the same for last 15 years). But at least if runners up were guaranteed entry it would be some incentive. In Munster nest year, both Limerick and Clare competing in Div 3 next year. If they don't get promoted but either one contests Munster final, the carrot is there for them. It is working out for Connacht this year with a Div 3/4 team guaranteed AI participation. If your argument is to seed provincial finalists as third or fourth seed this would be unfair in the following scenarios Connacht. If (next year) Galway and mayo (both Div 1 teams contest Connacht final, it would be unfair to have runner up as fourth seeds. Ulster, If 2 strong Div 1 teams contests an Ulster final, it would also be unfair to have runner up as fourth seeds. This year either Leitrim or Sligo will have qualified for AI series by merit, reaching a Connacht final so are entitled to be rewarded with second seeds. The provincial councils would strongly argue against devaluing their championship, Jack L (None) - Posts: 3149 - 29/03/2023 11:57:32 2467538 Link 0 |
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My preference would be for provincial winners only to qualify and the remainder through the league and Tailteann winner. The league is a fair ranking 1 to 32 but it is fair to retain the provincial champions route.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8773 - 29/03/2023 12:46:21 2467555 Link 0 |
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I agree 'again' - in the scenarios described above, the Galway/Mayo loser would be seeded 2nd, 3rd or 4th based on league finish (Prov losing Finalist is only guaranteed a Sam berth).
omahant (USA) - Posts: 3235 - 29/03/2023 14:53:20 2467597 Link 0 |
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Definitely the simplest and only way to go. 4 winners plus next best 12. Would cut out teams worrying even though they finished well in the league.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2289 - 29/03/2023 15:19:24 2467608 Link 2 |
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So in Championship, you'd only reward 4 teams for that Championship itself, and 12 teams for a League? I don't get that logic. Seed the provincials, then if you make the final, you'll absolutely deserve it and are well worth your 1st or 2nd seeding going forward. We need to reward Championship form here. League is all well and good, but it tops up the final places, not to provide most of them
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2466 - 29/03/2023 15:37:24 2467615 Link 0 |
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Let them worry. If you don't do good enough in Championship, then they should be worrying.
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2466 - 29/03/2023 15:40:34 2467618 Link 0 |
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The All-Ireland traditionally has seen provincial champions qualify directly for the All-Ireland series. All other counties have gone through qualifiers. With league ranking now taking over as the qualification route, all counties outside of provincial champions and Tailteann winners can qualify through that route.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8773 - 29/03/2023 15:58:47 2467626 Link 1 |
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Sligo or Leitrim should not be qualifying ahead of Cavan or Fermanagh unless they win Connacht. All provinces have a different structure but 1 champion. Reward provincial winners and Tailteann winners. Everyone else can qualify through the league.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8773 - 29/03/2023 16:00:55 2467629 Link 0 |
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If you were only awarding the provincial winners, you might as well disband the Leinster and Munster championship as there will only be one winner. A team might have a poor performance in the league and drop out of the AI series by scoring averages for example. They might turn the season around and are a championship team and perhaps qualify for a provincial final but not rewarded. Unfair in my opinion. Either award provincial finalists or get rid of provincial series which I'm sure will go down well with the respective councils. Jack L (None) - Posts: 3149 - 29/03/2023 16:08:00 2467631 Link 1 |
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Yes, and the 4 finalists go into the late stages of the qualifiers. Championship has to come first here. We qualify 9 based on Championship results. 8 provincial finalists, and 1 Tailteann winner. The League I'd used to find the final 7, but should not be rte bulk driver here. You're going too far into a double jeopardy here for some, and double reward for others. Rewarding championship, with a seeded provincials, is perfectly valid. Reaching a final is a perfectly good reward. Mad we're considering League form from February/March to be better than a Championship run to a final
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2466 - 29/03/2023 16:53:30 2467648 Link 0 |