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With the championship just around the corner(still think its crazy that be teams taking to field in April, championship all about battles in summer sun), would just like to be 100% clear on how the format will work, without needed a masters degree in aerospacial studies
Going by GAA.ie Website the seedings are below so i have inputted teams that could end up in each, would this be correct based on those examples can anyone verify?
https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/2023-all-ireland-sfc-format-explained/#:~:text=Twelve%20counties%20will%20advance%20to,repeat%20pairings%20from%20Round%20One.
First seeds: The four provincial champions (Derry, Dublin, Mayo, Kerry)
Second seeds: The four provincial runners-up( Leitrim, Meath, Armagh, Cork)
Third seeds: The next four highest ranked teams at the conclusion of the league (Galway, Roscommon, Tyrone, Monaghan)
Fourth seeds: The next four highest ranked teams at the conclusion of the league(Donegal, Louth, Kildare, Westmeath - Based on winning Tailteann Cup in 2022)
Apart from Westmeath, then no team from Division 3 can play in this years All Ireland regardless of promotion, with Taiteann Cup winners rightly guaranteed place every year then depending on provincial comps there is a good chance that teams promoted from Division 3 might not get to enter All Ireland Series every year which seems bit unfair(unless stay in division 2 the following year, for older players who retire this is slightly unfair as miss out, ideally better for teams in Division 3 with momentum going into SFC in same year)
macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1097 - 05/03/2023 20:40:06
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And there'll definitely be a division 4 team in the Sam Maguire, either Sligo, Leitrim, or London.
letsgosligo (Sligo) - Posts: 98 - 05/03/2023 21:20:08
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Replying To macca999: "With the championship just around the corner(still think its crazy that be teams taking to field in April, championship all about battles in summer sun), would just like to be 100% clear on how the format will work, without needed a masters degree in aerospacial studies
Going by GAA.ie Website the seedings are below so i have inputted teams that could end up in each, would this be correct based on those examples can anyone verify?
https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/2023-all-ireland-sfc-format-explained/#:~:text=Twelve%20counties%20will%20advance%20to,repeat%20pairings%20from%20Round%20One.
First seeds: The four provincial champions (Derry, Dublin, Mayo, Kerry)
Second seeds: The four provincial runners-up( Leitrim, Meath, Armagh, Cork)
Third seeds: The next four highest ranked teams at the conclusion of the league (Galway, Roscommon, Tyrone, Monaghan)
Fourth seeds: The next four highest ranked teams at the conclusion of the league(Donegal, Louth, Kildare, Westmeath - Based on winning Tailteann Cup in 2022)
Apart from Westmeath, then no team from Division 3 can play in this years All Ireland regardless of promotion, with Taiteann Cup winners rightly guaranteed place every year then depending on provincial comps there is a good chance that teams promoted from Division 3 might not get to enter All Ireland Series every year which seems bit unfair(unless stay in division 2 the following year, for older players who retire this is slightly unfair as miss out, ideally better for teams in Division 3 with momentum going into SFC in same year)" It's not beyond Cavan to make an Ulster final. A division 3 county with momentum can win the Tailteann Cup and gain entry like Westmeath have. If Leitrim or Sligo were not guaranteed a Connacht final, the Division 3 could qualify for the All-Ireland series.
There is an argument for provincial winners only qualifying through the provincial championships.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7826 - 05/03/2023 21:30:01
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The top 2 in Division 3 are ranked above the bottom 2 in Division 2, as I understand it.
However, all provincial finalists make the Sam Maguire.
In Connacht, a Div 4 team will make the final this year as Galway, Mayo and Ros are all on the same side.
Any team who is promoted from Division 3 this year will play in the Tailteann Cup unless they make their provincial final (apart from Westmeath).
Not sure about seedings, but the Sam teams look like being:
The top 14 ranked teams when the league concludes.
Westmeath as Tailteann holders.
The Connacht finalist currently playing Division 4 football.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 05/03/2023 21:55:42
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Replying To macca999: "With the championship just around the corner(still think its crazy that be teams taking to field in April, championship all about battles in summer sun), would just like to be 100% clear on how the format will work, without needed a masters degree in aerospacial studies
Going by GAA.ie Website the seedings are below so i have inputted teams that could end up in each, would this be correct based on those examples can anyone verify?
https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/2023-all-ireland-sfc-format-explained/#:~:text=Twelve%20counties%20will%20advance%20to,repeat%20pairings%20from%20Round%20One.
First seeds: The four provincial champions (Derry, Dublin, Mayo, Kerry)
Second seeds: The four provincial runners-up( Leitrim, Meath, Armagh, Cork)
Third seeds: The next four highest ranked teams at the conclusion of the league (Galway, Roscommon, Tyrone, Monaghan)
Fourth seeds: The next four highest ranked teams at the conclusion of the league(Donegal, Louth, Kildare, Westmeath - Based on winning Tailteann Cup in 2022)
Apart from Westmeath, then no team from Division 3 can play in this years All Ireland regardless of promotion, with Taiteann Cup winners rightly guaranteed place every year then depending on provincial comps there is a good chance that teams promoted from Division 3 might not get to enter All Ireland Series every year which seems bit unfair(unless stay in division 2 the following year, for older players who retire this is slightly unfair as miss out, ideally better for teams in Division 3 with momentum going into SFC in same year)" The format is a beauty alright. Seemingly inspired by a Beatles song - The Magical Mystery Tour. Tom Parsons mentioned last year that there will be a video released to explain it all. Rumours are that Netflix might run an 8 eposide series to cover it..
Leitrim or Sligo being guaranteed second seed shows that we're going from one faulty structure to another. The third seeds look stronger than the second seeds in general.
Councils are King
Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 06/03/2023 09:20:18
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Replying To cavanman47: "The top 2 in Division 3 are ranked above the bottom 2 in Division 2, as I understand it.
However, all provincial finalists make the Sam Maguire.
In Connacht, a Div 4 team will make the final this year as Galway, Mayo and Ros are all on the same side.
Any team who is promoted from Division 3 this year will play in the Tailteann Cup unless they make their provincial final (apart from Westmeath).
Not sure about seedings, but the Sam teams look like being:
The top 14 ranked teams when the league concludes.
Westmeath as Tailteann holders.
The Connacht finalist currently playing Division 4 football." "The top 2 in Division 3 are ranked above the bottom 2 in Division 2, as I understand it."
No I don't think that's correct. The bottom two in Div 2 despite being relegated still rank above the top two in Div 3 who are promoted.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 06/03/2023 09:54:35
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Replying To macca999: "With the championship just around the corner(still think its crazy that be teams taking to field in April, championship all about battles in summer sun), would just like to be 100% clear on how the format will work, without needed a masters degree in aerospacial studies
Going by GAA.ie Website the seedings are below so i have inputted teams that could end up in each, would this be correct based on those examples can anyone verify?
https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/2023-all-ireland-sfc-format-explained/#:~:text=Twelve%20counties%20will%20advance%20to,repeat%20pairings%20from%20Round%20One.
First seeds: The four provincial champions (Derry, Dublin, Mayo, Kerry)
Second seeds: The four provincial runners-up( Leitrim, Meath, Armagh, Cork)
Third seeds: The next four highest ranked teams at the conclusion of the league (Galway, Roscommon, Tyrone, Monaghan)
Fourth seeds: The next four highest ranked teams at the conclusion of the league(Donegal, Louth, Kildare, Westmeath - Based on winning Tailteann Cup in 2022)
Apart from Westmeath, then no team from Division 3 can play in this years All Ireland regardless of promotion, with Taiteann Cup winners rightly guaranteed place every year then depending on provincial comps there is a good chance that teams promoted from Division 3 might not get to enter All Ireland Series every year which seems bit unfair(unless stay in division 2 the following year, for older players who retire this is slightly unfair as miss out, ideally better for teams in Division 3 with momentum going into SFC in same year)" Well other years it may be possible for Div 3 promoted teams to make the cut.
The last 2 slots that might have facilitated them were taken by
1. One half of the Connacht draw is all Div 4 teams.. Should not be the case every year ( I argue it shouldn't be the case any year if seeding was implemented).
2. Tailteann cup winner not being in Div 2. Now there is no guarantee that this will happen but you would certainly expect that every second year ( at least) that the winner of the Tailteann Cup would come from one of the best teams in Division3 , who in turn should be one of the likely candidates to have gotten promotion). Of course the caveat on that is that they woudn't get relegated the year after gaining promotion and winning Taiteann as that would once again consume one of the slots for promoted team.
anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 06/03/2023 10:38:24
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If Cavan, Fermanagh. Limerick, Offaly and Sligo reach provincial finals. Which is possiable but very unlikely
Sam will look this,
Roscommon
Mayo
Galway
Sligo
Westmeath
Dublin
Offaly
Derry
Armagh
Tyrone
Donegal
Monaghan
Cavan
Fermanagh
Kerry
Limerick
Meaning,
Cork
Louth
Meath
Kildare
Clare
Will play Tailteann Cup!!!
Again, I know this will not happen but it shows that even if you are mid table in Div 2 there's a chance you will be playing Tailteann Cup
Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 384 - 06/03/2023 10:50:37
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16 is a sharp cut off point. I know if there were only 8 in the Tailteann, those 8 would feel that they are unfairly excluded. A 20:12 split might be fairer. 4 groups of 5 in the All-Ireland series. 2 home and 2 away games.
2 groups of 6 then in the Tailteann.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7826 - 08/03/2023 17:45:05
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Replying To legendzxix: "16 is a sharp cut off point. I know if there were only 8 in the Tailteann, those 8 would feel that they are unfairly excluded. A 20:12 split might be fairer. 4 groups of 5 in the All-Ireland series. 2 home and 2 away games.
2 groups of 6 then in the Tailteann." A three tier ststem of 12, 12 and 8 would be more realistic.
16 in Tailteann means you're unlikely to ever have a winner from the bottom 8 or 10.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1403 - 09/03/2023 10:34:30
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I actually don't think the format is that complicated. Bottom line is Provincial finalists and Tailteann Cup winners go into the Sam Maguire. The rest are then made up of league rankings until 16 teams are included. I think we can assume that the following teams will definitely be in the Sam Maguire:
Kerry
Dublin
Galway
Mayo
Roscommon
Donegal
Tyrone
Armagh
Monaghan
Derry
Cork
Weatmeath
Louth
The other three teams consist of:
Meath (if they keep their league position)
Leitrim/Sligo
Kildare/Limerick/Clare/Cavan(If they reach an Ulster final)
Jazzyjeff (Derry) - Posts: 152 - 09/03/2023 11:53:36
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Replying To Onion Breath: ""The top 2 in Division 3 are ranked above the bottom 2 in Division 2, as I understand it."
No I don't think that's correct. The bottom two in Div 2 despite being relegated still rank above the top two in Div 3 who are promoted." Didn't happen last year. Louth and Limerick who got promoted were ranked above Down and Offaly who got relegated.
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2380 - 09/03/2023 12:54:24
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Replying To Loughduff Lad: "Didn't happen last year. Louth and Limerick who got promoted were ranked above Down and Offaly who got relegated." Correct. Promoted teams rank above relegated teams. If Leitrim or Sligo were not virtually guaranteed a Connacht final, the Division 3 winner would be in line for an All-Ireland series spot.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7826 - 09/03/2023 13:41:53
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Replying To legendzxix: "Correct. Promoted teams rank above relegated teams. If Leitrim or Sligo were not virtually guaranteed a Connacht final, the Division 3 winner would be in line for an All-Ireland series spot." Correct
1- 6 teams that stay in D1
7/8 promoted teams from D2
9/10 teams relegated from D1
11-14 teams that stay in D2
And so on.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1403 - 09/03/2023 14:01:13
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I don't think it's that unclear but the system is a bit rubbish.
Provincial finalists shouldn't be getting in at the expense of a division 2 team or division 3 champion in my opinion.
It's not great that at the culmination of the league there are only 8 teams that know for sure that they are qualified. Like a team like Clare could be in that maybe list and if they get Kerry in a Munster semifinal they've can get leapfrogged out of a place with no chance to get back in.
The issue is having the Provincials having to be part of the championship and I think it's holding back the opportunity for far better competitions for everyone.
3 tier championship of 12, 10 and 10 could make a lot of sense for instance. With single round robin moving into playoffs.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 10/03/2023 11:08:48
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Replying To Loughduff Lad: "Didn't happen last year. Louth and Limerick who got promoted were ranked above Down and Offaly who got relegated." The Top two teams in Div 3 are ranked above the bottom two in Div 2. Irrevelent this year due to lop sided Connacht draw.
Similarly the top two in Div 2 are ranked higher than the bottom 2 in Div 1.
B&G (Longford) - Posts: 276 - 10/03/2023 12:38:04
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In the Tailteann Cup am I correct I correct in saying that New York do not enter until knock out stages.
Four groups of four with winners qualifying for QF
The second place teams in each group along with 3 best third place teams and New York qualifying for preliminary QF
B&G (Longford) - Posts: 276 - 10/03/2023 12:43:11
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Replying To B&G: "In the Tailteann Cup am I correct I correct in saying that New York do not enter until knock out stages.
Four groups of four with winners qualifying for QF
The second place teams in each group along with 3 best third place teams and New York qualifying for preliminary QF" Yes that is correct.
Jazzyjeff (Derry) - Posts: 152 - 10/03/2023 13:57:35
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Replying To B&G: "In the Tailteann Cup am I correct I correct in saying that New York do not enter until knock out stages.
Four groups of four with winners qualifying for QF
The second place teams in each group along with 3 best third place teams and New York qualifying for preliminary QF" Correct.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7826 - 10/03/2023 14:10:02
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Replying To Whammo86: "I don't think it's that unclear but the system is a bit rubbish.
Provincial finalists shouldn't be getting in at the expense of a division 2 team or division 3 champion in my opinion.
It's not great that at the culmination of the league there are only 8 teams that know for sure that they are qualified. Like a team like Clare could be in that maybe list and if they get Kerry in a Munster semifinal they've can get leapfrogged out of a place with no chance to get back in.
The issue is having the Provincials having to be part of the championship and I think it's holding back the opportunity for far better competitions for everyone.
3 tier championship of 12, 10 and 10 could make a lot of sense for instance. With single round robin moving into playoffs." There is merit in your suggestion alright. I'm not all for it though. I think 16 with provincial winners, 8 and 8 is the next step, and it could be the long-term step. With two lower tiers of 8, those finals can be before both All-Ireland semi-finals.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7826 - 10/03/2023 14:13:19
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