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The lack of jeopardy in Division 1 hurling is short changing supporters. The GAA should return to Division 1A for 1 to 6 and 1B for 7 to 12. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7879 - 27/02/2023 10:58:05 2460584 Link 1 |
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I would think about going back to the real old system, preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 740 - 27/02/2023 13:41:46 2460655 Link 2 |
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Absolutely right. The powers that be promoted Westmeath effectively from Division 3 to division 1 in with Limerick, Galway,Clare, Cork and Wexford when any blind fool can see that we should be in the division with Antrim,Laois,Dublin, Waterford and Wexford with Tipp and Kilkenny going the other way. That of course would be logical and benefit hurling. The problem of course is that Waterford,Wexford and maybe Dublin dont like this and the top 6 have the fear of being relegated.
jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1459 - 27/02/2023 13:59:08 2460665 Link 4 |
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Dublin were one of the few counties who supported Westmeath when you were thrown out of Leinster AND when denied promotion from league one year. Don't be blaming us on any decisions made. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2584 - 27/02/2023 14:46:19 2460688 Link 0 |
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Dublin would win your Division Two doing handstands. Kildare wouldn't get within 30 points of our subs. Cop on.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2584 - 27/02/2023 14:48:45 2460690 Link 0 |
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That was a system that worked well for many many years. Top 2 in Division 1 would go straight to semis and third and fourth in Div 1 would play first & Second in Division 2 in the two quarter finals. Great days in Thurles at quarter finals and semi finals over the years.
OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 677 - 27/02/2023 14:58:42 2460695 Link 1 |
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How would they have arranged it that way this year when we beat Limerick, Galway, Cork, Clare and Offaly in last year's League. Why would we be swapping with Tipp or Kilkenny? We were in the old 1a before the rearrangement too.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12074 - 27/02/2023 15:14:09 2460703 Link 0 |
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I'll take Examples of Hurling Snobbery for $800 Jeff Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12123 - 27/02/2023 15:20:32 2460705 Link 0 |
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Dont be so touchy read what i said.Nobody is blaming Dublin.But from a logical point of view would you not accept that the div 2a winners would be better in the division that included Dublin,Antrim and Laois?
jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1459 - 27/02/2023 15:27:34 2460712 Link 0 |
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Ok sorry but surely you can see the 2a winners going in with Limerick,Galway,Cork,Clare and yourselves is ludicrous while Antrim and Laois are in the other Division 1.Everybody claps Antrim Westmeath,Laois and Carlow for our efforts so a little bit of common sense is needed too.
jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1459 - 27/02/2023 15:33:56 2460717 Link 0 |
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Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12074 - 27/02/2023 15:34:43 2460718 Link 0 |
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Galway won the League, Leinster title, and all ireland in 2017, while failing to promote from div2 the very same season, after just one early season NHL loss to Wexford. The 2013 all ireland semis were contested by the sides that contested the div1 relegation playoff, and div2 promotion playoff of 2013. That was Clare Cork Dublin and Limerick iirc. 'Fear of being relegated' my ass. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3468 - 27/02/2023 15:57:33 2460729 Link 1 |
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That old system of 8 x Division 1 teams was a disaster because us, Wexford, Limerick, Clare at the time were under cooked when we came to play the big guns. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1140 - 27/02/2023 16:00:53 2460733 Link 0 |
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I'd say switch Wexford and Dublin, and you'd have balanced enough divisions.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1931 - 27/02/2023 16:06:16 2460737 Link 0 |
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I do think there is a geographical element to the current separation of the top division, and that Westmeath certainly got the short straw in that regard. Would Westmeath have a better chance in 1a? They would, but only because they might beat Laois or Antrim. Dublin have been in the top division of league without a break since 2006. In which time they've won it and been in semi finals and beaten everyone of the elite - with exception of Clare curiously - on several occasions. So forgive me if i am touchy about suddenly been proposed to be in same division as Kildare! Which is ludicrous would you not agree? BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2584 - 27/02/2023 16:09:24 2460738 Link 0 |
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Division 2 would be competitive in Year 1, apart from how (as somebody else points out), Dublin would be hot favourites and likely to run up a couple of big scores along the way if they played their strongest team. Would be same if Wexford (for example) were in Div. 2, and Dublin were in Div. 1. Despite yesterday's horror show v Clare, would like to think we'd have a strong chance of doing a clean sweep and maybe hitting a couple of big scores too. Real issues arise then in Year 2 onwards. Pick any two you like from your Div. 1 group to be relegated - let's say Clare and Waterford. And let's say Dublin and Westmeath go up. No disrespect to anybody, but now you'd likely have Clare and Waterford powering to victory over the likes of Kildare or Carlow, and the two Div. 3 teams who would have come up (let's say Meath and Derry). Meanwhile, in Div. 1, Dublin would be competitive but Westmeath could turn into whipping boys. And the pattern would continue in Year 3 onwards. I agree that "lack of jeopardy" isn't doing the current League format any favours, but would suggest the better way forward is a return to groups of six based on merit - i.e. Div 1A for teams 1 to 6, Div 1B for teams 7 to 12, etc. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2254 - 27/02/2023 16:10:35 2460740 Link 2 |
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That's why the format was changed in the 1st place Barney. If we go back to a real div1a and div1b there can't be any more than 6 teams in each.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12074 - 27/02/2023 16:16:55 2460744 Link 0 |
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Do the games against the other 5 counties in your division this year not help your lads to get better though? Playing on better opponents etc. You lost badly to Clare, did better against us, and improved more again against Cork. What would playing Laois and Antrim really do for your players? You will likely play one or other at the end of the league season anyway, only you will have had way better preparation.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12074 - 27/02/2023 16:21:58 2460746 Link 0 |
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Correct but 1b included Laois Kerry and Offaly which is what we are looking for
jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1459 - 27/02/2023 16:24:47 2460748 Link 0 |
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Or proved that non competitive league games in div1b were better down the line come championship because you can blood new players and try out new tactics without real fear of relegation.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12074 - 27/02/2023 16:25:24 2460749 Link 0 |