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Allow Christy Ring Cup Winner Enter The All-Ireland?

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Replying To oneoff:  "It took Offaly two attempts to win the Christy Ring so they weren't obviously too strong the first year. Kildare are only in recent years after getting back on track and obviously haven't been strong enough to stay in the McDonagh cup.

Carlow had dropped back down to the Christy Ring in recent years and whst did they do? Regrouped win it and then won the McDonagh cup. In your system they should have just been left in the McDonagh cup."
I wouldn't read too much into 2020. The intention should be to grow the McDonagh to 8, 10 and eventually 12 teams. As a compromise however, the McDonagh might have to relinquish the preliminary quarter-finals.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8773 - 23/02/2023 14:06:37    2459896

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Replying To legendzxix:  "I wouldn't read too much into 2020. The intention should be to grow the McDonagh to 8, 10 and eventually 12 teams. As a compromise however, the McDonagh might have to relinquish the preliminary quarter-finals."
Why not? You can't just dismiss it because it doesn't suit your point.

By increasing the number of McDonagh cup teams you're just going to make the other grades weaker. Who's going to benefit from it?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1617 - 23/02/2023 16:43:00    2459914

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Replying To oneoff:  "By this logic the Nicky Rackard etc winners should be left do the same thing.

I don't think it'd do any good to the other McDonagh cup teams if the Christy Ring winners just bypass them all."
This is like Football's flawed Proposal B 'Team 6' issue on steroids.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 3235 - 23/02/2023 19:24:51    2459933

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Replying To oneoff:  "Why not? You can't just dismiss it because it doesn't suit your point.

By increasing the number of McDonagh cup teams you're just going to make the other grades weaker. Who's going to benefit from it?"
That's a fair point too. The McDonagh started out with 5 and expanded to 6. A 6th team is allowed in Munster or Leinster. The ultimate plan in hurling should be to return to 3 or 4 tiers, but only if merited. The McDonagh should expand to 8.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8773 - 23/02/2023 19:58:00    2459936

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Replying To legendzxix:  "That's a fair point too. The McDonagh started out with 5 and expanded to 6. A 6th team is allowed in Munster or Leinster. The ultimate plan in hurling should be to return to 3 or 4 tiers, but only if merited. The McDonagh should expand to 8."
From what I remember the reason there's 6 on it was because Antrim weee just going to be put straight into it without having won the Christy Ring and Meath, rightly, complained about it at the time.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1617 - 24/02/2023 10:47:26    2459968

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Replying To oneoff:  "From what I remember the reason there's 6 on it was because Antrim weee just going to be put straight into it without having won the Christy Ring and Meath, rightly, complained about it at the time."
However it came about, expanding to 6 was the correct decision. Considering the development of the current McDonagh counties and Meath, an expansion to 8 will be a fair level of competition for all involved, especially for the current Ring runners-up.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8773 - 24/02/2023 11:36:24    2459981

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Replying To oneoff:  "It took Offaly two attempts to win the Christy Ring so they weren't obviously too strong the first year. Kildare are only in recent years after getting back on track and obviously haven't been strong enough to stay in the McDonagh cup.

Carlow had dropped back down to the Christy Ring in recent years and whst did they do? Regrouped win it and then won the McDonagh cup. In your system they should have just been left in the McDonagh cup."
Carlow never slipped down to the Christy Ring, it was was preceeded the McDonagh Cup. Carlow were the first winners of the McDonagh. I don't disagree with your point but just wanted to clarify that.

Unusedsub (Carlow) - Posts: 116 - 24/02/2023 11:45:14    2459985

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