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Replying To baire:  "It's also up to the GAA to ensure that the games are officiated in the best way possible, using the latest technology to help the ref and his officials to deal with cases of provocation, dangerous or dirty play."
I be old school,what happens on the field,stays on the field, just move on,I hate to see games being stop to check something like var in soccer.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 775 - 07/04/2023 20:50:25    2469484

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Replying To Bon:  "Was there murder at it?"
It was bad enough especially for a challenge game.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11841 - 07/04/2023 21:33:47    2469496

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Replying To Viking66:  "It was bad enough especially for a challenge game."
Challenge games can be a dangerous thing pre league or championship. In my experience it's up to the 2 managers to control it and get the best use out if it for all involved. If it descends into a raft of brawls for me it's on the sidelines and what use is the match to anyone. Better off training.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1126 - 08/04/2023 07:25:12    2469500

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Replying To cityman73:  "I be old school,what happens on the field,stays on the field, just move on,I hate to see games being stop to check something like var in soccer."
How old is this school you're referring to? Does it go back to the 19th century faction fighting when people were actually killed and the Brits were delighted to see the Irish fighting each other instead of fighting them?
Or the old school when there were no helmets and a player's skull was cracked open or a player could lose an eye or end up with a broken arm or leg?
What happens on the field doesn't stay on the field in reality. When a player is injured, be it concussion, a head injury etc doesn't stay on the field but stays with the player and could have serious consequences for his health and well being for the rest of his days. To injure another player is not being tough or hard or brave, it's thugggery and should have no place in sport. If you want to see violence you can see plenty of it in the media, the main evening news is full of it. Sport should take us away from all that, it should be about skill, sportsmanship, discipline, teamwork and physicality within the rules. How many great players were forced to end their playing days due to lack of protection on the field of play? Far too many I'd say.
The game doesn't have to be stop start. Incidences could be reviewed afterwards and penalties issued.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1794 - 08/04/2023 09:18:24    2469509

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "But How much provocation do you have to put up with.. If you get the full brunt of the butt of a hurley into the testicless should it go unpunished and should it be just regarded as a part of the game."
Have you ever got the full brunt of the hurl there? I have twice and I spent the guts of 5 mins doubled over both times…I don't knew any man that wouldn't have to do that! If of course that's where you get hit..

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 08/04/2023 09:28:59    2469512

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So Kiely has pretty much gone full strength or at least to what's available to him with the exception of TM.
I thought you might go "weaker" than the semi given the games that are coming but probably understandable and right thing to do.
Looks like a clear shoot out between Dan M and Casey now for full back. Most teams struggle for a nunber 3 and limerick have two all stars there. So many options for that full back line that an injury won't weaken them at all.

Looking at the Kk team I'd worry for that defence. I don't think Lawlor is a centre back or Walsh is a good enough full back. Kks one line that really struggled last year in the Ai was the half back line so seems they're looking to address that but you also need really good stick men in the HB line and Limerick win that hands down.

Been caught so many times backing against Kk but Limerick at -5 looks very appealing.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 08/04/2023 09:38:16    2469513

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Replying To tiobraid:  "So Kiely has pretty much gone full strength or at least to what's available to him with the exception of TM.
I thought you might go "weaker" than the semi given the games that are coming but probably understandable and right thing to do.
Looks like a clear shoot out between Dan M and Casey now for full back. Most teams struggle for a nunber 3 and limerick have two all stars there. So many options for that full back line that an injury won't weaken them at all.

Looking at the Kk team I'd worry for that defence. I don't think Lawlor is a centre back or Walsh is a good enough full back. Kks one line that really struggled last year in the Ai was the half back line so seems they're looking to address that but you also need really good stick men in the HB line and Limerick win that hands down.

Been caught so many times backing against Kk but Limerick at -5 looks very appealing."
I'd fancy Limerick to win but wouldn't go for the spread. Just as likely to ease down in last furlong! A lump on job probably for the win. Can't see anyone beating them this year in anything!

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2554 - 08/04/2023 13:39:30    2469539

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You have to laugh here at the double standard of some posters on about Limerick indiscipline and JP money and amateur organisation we have when 3 players were correctly suspended after last year's provincial finals a high powered solicitor (they don't come cheap) spotted some loop hole in the GAA rule book and got the 3 players off. Discipline should be for all teams not just the leading team of the day and when players pay their membership each year they should also sign a form to agree to abide by GAA rules and discipline and not go to court.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 817 - 08/04/2023 14:59:17    2469552

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Replying To baire:  "How old is this school you're referring to? Does it go back to the 19th century faction fighting when people were actually killed and the Brits were delighted to see the Irish fighting each other instead of fighting them?
Or the old school when there were no helmets and a player's skull was cracked open or a player could lose an eye or end up with a broken arm or leg?
What happens on the field doesn't stay on the field in reality. When a player is injured, be it concussion, a head injury etc doesn't stay on the field but stays with the player and could have serious consequences for his health and well being for the rest of his days. To injure another player is not being tough or hard or brave, it's thugggery and should have no place in sport. If you want to see violence you can see plenty of it in the media, the main evening news is full of it. Sport should take us away from all that, it should be about skill, sportsmanship, discipline, teamwork and physicality within the rules. How many great players were forced to end their playing days due to lack of protection on the field of play? Far too many I'd say.
The game doesn't have to be stop start. Incidences could be reviewed afterwards and penalties issued."
Ya that is what must be meant by old school. Where you bury your dead the next morning. Or is it playing with a peaky cap and fag sticking out the corner of your mouth ? O no it is selective old school. It really is about what your man can get away with and the other guys not. No argument by you or me about how play can be reviewed efficiently and fairly. No argument about using a second referee. No argument about dealing with the instigator to avoid red cards is going to matter to the "auld school" brigade. I would ask how many red cards have been issued for retaliation this year including Waterford players and how many scores from it. How many red or yellow have been issued for instigation or targeting. The count is obvious and the benefit from doing it. In the mean time the focus is on throwing the ball and how many steps are taken while the player's is been impeding from playing the ball legally.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2659 - 08/04/2023 15:25:28    2469557

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I'd fancy Limerick to win but wouldn't go for the spread. Just as likely to ease down in last furlong! A lump on job probably for the win. Can't see anyone beating them this year in anything!"
Hard to argue with this. Limerick have a habit of easing up the last couple of years when the game is won.
If of course it comes to that. After hegartys early goal in the AI I thought they'd win comfortably but they didn't.
I'm hoping I'm wrong though. Given this is so close to championship it kind of has a championship feel to it

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 09/04/2023 09:44:42    2469677

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Replying To updwell:  "You have to laugh here at the double standard of some posters on about Limerick indiscipline and JP money and amateur organisation we have when 3 players were correctly suspended after last year's provincial finals a high powered solicitor (they don't come cheap) spotted some loop hole in the GAA rule book and got the 3 players off. Discipline should be for all teams not just the leading team of the day and when players pay their membership each year they should also sign a form to agree to abide by GAA rules and discipline and not go to court."
What it says to me when I hear this nonsense about JP is that these people are probably not going to be objective about anything regarding our sport. If he contributed ten times more to Sligo and Louth hurling would they win three All-Irelands in a row any time soon. No disrespect to either county.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2659 - 09/04/2023 14:02:14    2469777

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I hope we see better in the championship than this. Woeful stuff. Kilkenny on this performance are far from guaranteed to get out of Leinster. Limerick have hardly looked interested

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 09/04/2023 15:31:21    2469798

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I hope we see better in the championship than this. Woeful stuff. Kilkenny on this performance are far from guaranteed to get out of Leinster. Limerick have hardly looked interested"
Agree. A challenge game would have more intensity. I know those Limerick forwards are lethal but that is the worst Kilkenny backs I have seen in half a century. God help us in two weeks time.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2659 - 09/04/2023 15:50:50    2469804

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Replying To Canuck:  "Agree. A challenge game would have more intensity. I know those Limerick forwards are lethal but that is the worst Kilkenny backs I have seen in half a century. God help us in two weeks time."
Waterford will come out with a lot more than that. How Lyng stayed looking at Padraig Walsh in the full back line I'll never know. He looked lost back there.
I think he will be most disappointing with the lack of fight from them. It's not the first time this season either but I put it down to their lack of interest in the league. Not so sure now

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 09/04/2023 18:42:11    2469872

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Too easy today in Cork, I don't think any team in Munster will make it this easy for us. Looking at KK today they learnt nothing during the league, did any of their positional changes work and their new players didn't perform today. As for Limerick there is another 20% improvement in them with 20 wides today and the missing players. KK closed down the Limerick half forwards but that opened it up for Gillane and Flanagan as usual, that's the conundrum for the opposition, close down 1 line or the other,teams haven't been able to shut down both.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 817 - 09/04/2023 20:38:23    2469903

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Limerick scored 2-20 had 20 wides and no score from Cian,gearoid,Peter or Tom when brought in..if someone had said an 11 point win over cats and those four not scoring I'd have laughed..also 3 boys missing in William,Kyle and Declan..I'm not getting carried away and feel munster is still going to be a problem and god only knows what Waterford will bring..some huge decisions to be made as I think mike,Dan and cahal are playing outstanding stuff so who loses out is beyond me..the performance from backs today was very good..limerick penalized for throwing the ball on 2 or 3 occasions which were completely wrong..I also thought gearoid and boylan were never going to get a free today..onwards now for championship and hope we can get another amazing year..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2214 - 09/04/2023 20:52:34    2469910

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Solid win
Loads to work on. Kieky was visibly upset at several elements today. No let up over next 2 weeks. A v b next Sunday will be tasty

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1126 - 09/04/2023 21:24:36    2469921

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Limerick scored 2-20 had 20 wides and no score from Cian,gearoid,Peter or Tom when brought in..if someone had said an 11 point win over cats and those four not scoring I'd have laughed..also 3 boys missing in William,Kyle and Declan..I'm not getting carried away and feel munster is still going to be a problem and god only knows what Waterford will bring..some huge decisions to be made as I think mike,Dan and cahal are playing outstanding stuff so who loses out is beyond me..the performance from backs today was very good..limerick penalized for throwing the ball on 2 or 3 occasions which were completely wrong..I also thought gearoid and boylan were never going to get a free today..onwards now for championship and hope we can get another amazing year.."
Spot on post. Thought Hego, Cian, P Casey all relatively quiet. Gillane poor on frees. To still wallop Kilkenny speaks volumes of this team. They are truly great.

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 372 - 09/04/2023 22:02:20    2469934

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Replying To Shocs07:  "Spot on post. Thought Hego, Cian, P Casey all relatively quiet. Gillane poor on frees. To still wallop Kilkenny speaks volumes of this team. They are truly great."
Unbelievable really. Those 3 often get 10+ points between them.
Been saying it for years that Gillane isn't a free taker. Haven't seen frees missed like that at Junior A club standard.
Most of us will say you win nothing without a free taker yet limerick are winning everything without a top free taker - although maybe Byrnes accuracy from long range ones evens things out.
Limerick really went through the motions yesterday and a fair chunk of it was played at challenge match pace. I expect them to win the All ireland comfortably but I don't think they'll get an easier game than that this year. Hugely disappointing spectacle but Limerick won't care nor should they

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 10/04/2023 09:35:15    2469950

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Replying To Shocs07:  "Spot on post. Thought Hego, Cian, P Casey all relatively quiet. Gillane poor on frees. To still wallop Kilkenny speaks volumes of this team. They are truly great."
Need to ask Eamonn Dunphy, who's an authority on this whole good versus great business.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3419 - 10/04/2023 11:55:34    2469984

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