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Replying To CTGAA10: "Not alone is league final being played in cork but a family of 4 will pay €60 to go to match as there is a charge for under 16s..it will either be limerick or killkenny going as I can't see to many neutrals will travel..if 20,000 go to final it'll be a big crowd..when the ground won't be any where near full why charge for under 16s???people will say oh here he goes giving out again but we will be 2 weeks away from championship with at least 4 matches..in the past 8 days alone limerick had 17s and 29s in Waterford,league semi and another under 20 game..it's not just limerick supporters who are suffering..could the under 17 not have been played as part of a double header with senior championship??are our representartives on munster council not asking these questions??" Agree 100%
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Replying To baire: "A laugh in this place! lol You're a dry lot I'm afraid.
I'd say you could give me a good two hours lecture on the basics of hurling alright and how it should be played. I'm surprised you don't have a position in UL, giving courses on the modern game! You'd be good at it. Amazing that Kiely hasn't invited you onto his backroom team. If it weren't so big he'd probably be on to you.
Back to basics! Well the basics in Munster hurling as we knew them are no longer required. The two essentials to win an All Ireland in the 21st century are: strength and the ability to hold possession. Make space with short passing or with superior physical strength and drive the ball over the bar unmarked, simple stuff really.
It's no longer called Munster hurling, it's now called Monster hurling! I'm most serious when I'm joking!
Cheer up, you're on for the 6-in-a-row! The besht ever! Luimneach abú búnna!" If not for K8lkenny this Limerick team would already be the best ever with 5 in a row
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11847 - 30/03/2023 13:52:11
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Replying To baire: "A laugh in this place! lol You're a dry lot I'm afraid.
I'd say you could give me a good two hours lecture on the basics of hurling alright and how it should be played. I'm surprised you don't have a position in UL, giving courses on the modern game! You'd be good at it. Amazing that Kiely hasn't invited you onto his backroom team. If it weren't so big he'd probably be on to you.
Back to basics! Well the basics in Munster hurling as we knew them are no longer required. The two essentials to win an All Ireland in the 21st century are: strength and the ability to hold possession. Make space with short passing or with superior physical strength and drive the ball over the bar unmarked, simple stuff really.
It's no longer called Munster hurling, it's now called Monster hurling! I'm most serious when I'm joking!
Cheer up, you're on for the 6-in-a-row! The besht ever! Luimneach abú búnna!" If not for Kilkenny this Limerick team would already be the best ever with 5 in a row
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11847 - 30/03/2023 13:52:21
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Replying To daveboy: "Season ticket holders get 7 league matches free this year and first 2 championship matches free. Including league Semi final and national league final. Guaranteed ticket allocations and options to purchase for all the rest of the championship matches. Something to look into. Even if you can't attend all someone might use the ticket. I think a five for a teenager to go to a national league final isn't that bad. Price of a coffee and might have something to do with dedicated seat allocation for national finals. Its a nominal price." Wouldn't stay that season ticket holders get all those matches for free, since obviously they've paid for the season ticket in the first place. But that's just semantics.
Agree though that €5 for an under-16 to attend a match is not exactly excessive or unreasonable. People just seem to expect to be able to bring children to GAA matches for free. In contrast, it was €20 for a child's ticket for Ireland v France in the soccer the other night, and it's also €20 for a child's ticket for Leinster v Ulster in the European rugby this coming Saturday.
People sometimes say "yeah, but they're professional sports", but a family day out to see a match is still a family day out, whether or not the players you're watching are getting paid.
Anyway, yes, it's also to do with seating numbers and allocations. If children didn't need tickets, there'd be no way of knowing what other seats could be sold. For example, two people buy tickets for row G, seats 3 and 4....do they need two empty seats beside them for kids, or six, or maybe none at all? It'd be simply impossible to manage.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2247 - 30/03/2023 14:02:39
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Replying To baire: "A laugh in this place! lol You're a dry lot I'm afraid.
I'd say you could give me a good two hours lecture on the basics of hurling alright and how it should be played. I'm surprised you don't have a position in UL, giving courses on the modern game! You'd be good at it. Amazing that Kiely hasn't invited you onto his backroom team. If it weren't so big he'd probably be on to you.
Back to basics! Well the basics in Munster hurling as we knew them are no longer required. The two essentials to win an All Ireland in the 21st century are: strength and the ability to hold possession. Make space with short passing or with superior physical strength and drive the ball over the bar unmarked, simple stuff really.
It's no longer called Munster hurling, it's now called Monster hurling! I'm most serious when I'm joking!
Cheer up, you're on for the 6-in-a-row! The besht ever! Luimneach abú búnna!" Strength and the ability to hold/win possession. Wexford in the 60s. Cork in the 70s. Clare and offaly in the 90s killenny in the 00s all spring to mind. Interesting.
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Replying To daveboy: "Strength and the ability to hold/win possession. Wexford in the 60s. Cork in the 70s. Clare and offaly in the 90s killenny in the 00s all spring to mind. Interesting." Spot on. Think the strongest hurling teams always had strength and an ability to win and hold onto the ball. You forgot Cork in the early noughties, and Galway in the 80s.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11847 - 30/03/2023 14:22:13
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Wouldn't stay that season ticket holders get all those matches for free, since obviously they've paid for the season ticket in the first place. But that's just semantics.
Agree though that €5 for an under-16 to attend a match is not exactly excessive or unreasonable. People just seem to expect to be able to bring children to GAA matches for free. In contrast, it was €20 for a child's ticket for Ireland v France in the soccer the other night, and it's also €20 for a child's ticket for Leinster v Ulster in the European rugby this coming Saturday.
People sometimes say "yeah, but they're professional sports", but a family day out to see a match is still a family day out, whether or not the players you're watching are getting paid.
Anyway, yes, it's also to do with seating numbers and allocations. If children didn't need tickets, there'd be no way of knowing what other seats could be sold. For example, two people buy tickets for row G, seats 3 and 4....do they need two empty seats beside them for kids, or six, or maybe none at all? It'd be simply impossible to manage." And the adult prices for soccer and rugby are catastrophic for big national matches
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1127 - 30/03/2023 14:24:06
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Replying To baire: "A laugh in this place! lol You're a dry lot I'm afraid.
I'd say you could give me a good two hours lecture on the basics of hurling alright and how it should be played. I'm surprised you don't have a position in UL, giving courses on the modern game! You'd be good at it. Amazing that Kiely hasn't invited you onto his backroom team. If it weren't so big he'd probably be on to you.
Back to basics! Well the basics in Munster hurling as we knew them are no longer required. The two essentials to win an All Ireland in the 21st century are: strength and the ability to hold possession. Make space with short passing or with superior physical strength and drive the ball over the bar unmarked, simple stuff really.
It's no longer called Munster hurling, it's now called Monster hurling! I'm most serious when I'm joking!
Cheer up, you're on for the 6-in-a-row! The besht ever! Luimneach abú búnna!" Ah come on man you can't even have a laugh at yourself when you forgot your own county winning AI 6 years ago, lighten up kid.
updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 817 - 30/03/2023 15:03:09
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Replying To Viking66: "Spot on. Think the strongest hurling teams always had strength and an ability to win and hold onto the ball. You forgot Cork in the early noughties, and Galway in the 80s." You're right of course. That cork team had a short passing possession based game plan to get around the strength of the kk and clares. But they also had huge men like the rock sean og gardiner timmy mc corcoran but they could all hurl. They had a nice mix in their team. The evolved their way of playing as one would say to make them AI winners like all great teams do.
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1127 - 30/03/2023 15:08:32
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Replying To baire: "A laugh in this place! lol You're a dry lot I'm afraid.
I'd say you could give me a good two hours lecture on the basics of hurling alright and how it should be played. I'm surprised you don't have a position in UL, giving courses on the modern game! You'd be good at it. Amazing that Kiely hasn't invited you onto his backroom team. If it weren't so big he'd probably be on to you.
Back to basics! Well the basics in Munster hurling as we knew them are no longer required. The two essentials to win an All Ireland in the 21st century are: strength and the ability to hold possession. Make space with short passing or with superior physical strength and drive the ball over the bar unmarked, simple stuff really.
It's no longer called Munster hurling, it's now called Monster hurling! I'm most serious when I'm joking!
Cheer up, you're on for the 6-in-a-row! The besht ever! Luimneach abú búnna!" I would say Limerick have worked on mastering all the basic skills of the game and put them together better than most. Catching, striking, rising, handpassing, stick pass, shooting are all age old skills and none of that has changed. Those are the traditional skills of the game and over the last few years Limerick have done them better than anyone else. Also they constantly change during a game, they won't go through the lines each and every time lots of times there will be simple long cross field ball to Gillane or there will be a long delivery down to Hegarty or Tom Morrissey. They play the traditional and possession based.
In terms of physical strength you are right, Limerick do possess that but it's only one weapon in their armoury. Take Barry Nash, Darragh O'Donovan, Declan Hannon, Cian Lynch, Peter Casey, Graham Mulcahy, Cathal O'Neill etc. as examples of players who primarily utilise skill and technique rather than power and the physical side.
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Replying To updwell: "Ah come on man you can't even have a laugh at yourself when you forgot your own county winning AI 6 years ago, lighten up kid." If you had read my question more carefully re All Irelands you'd have understood it. I doubt you'll get that job in UL after all with your Ameican lingo and inability to read a simple text.
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1795 - 30/03/2023 15:27:21
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Replying To Viking66: "If not for K8lkenny this Limerick team would already be the best ever with 5 in a row" If not for Tipp (2010), Kilkenny would have won 7 in a row.
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Replying To Fitzy01: "I would say Limerick have worked on mastering all the basic skills of the game and put them together better than most. Catching, striking, rising, handpassing, stick pass, shooting are all age old skills and none of that has changed. Those are the traditional skills of the game and over the last few years Limerick have done them better than anyone else. Also they constantly change during a game, they won't go through the lines each and every time lots of times there will be simple long cross field ball to Gillane or there will be a long delivery down to Hegarty or Tom Morrissey. They play the traditional and possession based.
In terms of physical strength you are right, Limerick do possess that but it's only one weapon in their armoury. Take Barry Nash, Darragh O'Donovan, Declan Hannon, Cian Lynch, Peter Casey, Graham Mulcahy, Cathal O'Neill etc. as examples of players who primarily utilise skill and technique rather than power and the physical side." Yes I think you are totally correct on all those points they have huge skill as well as physicality never fumble a ball, there are times when a lot of bodies converge in the middle third and when they hunt down a player, that it is not attractive to watch, but no denying there class.
Limerick put together a superb package of underage coaching some outside coaches in was money well spend in what was at the time dominated by other Field Sports.
I cannot see anyone taking them out this year either all are mostly coming into their prime
clooney (Clare) - Posts: 887 - 30/03/2023 16:51:31
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Replying To Viking66: "If not for Kilkenny this Limerick team would already be the best ever with 5 in a row" Yawn!
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Replying To baire: "If you had read my question more carefully re All Irelands you'd have understood it. I doubt you'll get that job in UL after all with your Ameican lingo and inability to read a simple text." Has to be said Baire everyone read it the same including your fellow Galway posters.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11847 - 30/03/2023 17:59:19
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Should be a fascinating league final. I think both sides are the two best teams at the moment so it's no surprise. If lyng can survive without huw lawlor at fb it will make a big difference to kk. Their half back line just wasn't solid enough in the all Ireland.
Drennan and keoghan added to Cody tj and Mullen is a very dangerous forward line.
Limerick will be happy with the league. Keep everyone fit and there's a good enough squad to be there at the business end. If we keep everyone fit and no suspension there no reason we can't make sf and then it's up to the players to get over the line.
Munster is an absolute minefield but I feel we have a deeper squad this season. Lynch and Casey back. Coughlan and o neill look very capable and both physically well able. O dailaigh has shown real promise. Flanagan will need to be flying to keep his place. Barry Murphy and English look like potential for midfield forward. Houlihan and boylan hopefully adding impact in hf line. There's an absolute marathon ahead of the team so getting more from those players can be the difference between having the real stars wrecked come sf and final if we can get that far.
Wonderful time to be a Limerick supporter. God did I ever think leaving the hill in 09 or 13 that I'd look forward to a season so much. Have to enjoy it so much it won't last forever. All the teams are good enough to beat us on an off day so despite being confident you have to be realistic.
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Replying To Fitzy01: "I would say Limerick have worked on mastering all the basic skills of the game and put them together better than most. Catching, striking, rising, handpassing, stick pass, shooting are all age old skills and none of that has changed. Those are the traditional skills of the game and over the last few years Limerick have done them better than anyone else. Also they constantly change during a game, they won't go through the lines each and every time lots of times there will be simple long cross field ball to Gillane or there will be a long delivery down to Hegarty or Tom Morrissey. They play the traditional and possession based.
In terms of physical strength you are right, Limerick do possess that but it's only one weapon in their armoury. Take Barry Nash, Darragh O'Donovan, Declan Hannon, Cian Lynch, Peter Casey, Graham Mulcahy, Cathal O'Neill etc. as examples of players who primarily utilise skill and technique rather than power and the physical side." I'd agree with that.
The whole panel can deliver a short range, crisp stick pass straight to the hand with a bit of vision and intelligence.
It's not rocket science. They are strong and mobile, but most importantly do the simple things flawlessly.
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Replying To daveboy: "Strength and the ability to hold/win possession. Wexford in the 60s. Cork in the 70s. Clare and offaly in the 90s killenny in the 00s all spring to mind. Interesting." Most teams have a number of big strong men in key positions but Offaly in the 90s were scarcely a big team, and they certainly didn't focus much on keeping possession. They seldom went on solo-runs but tended to deliver the ball low and fast to their forwards, who had the skill and cleverness to make best use of good deliveries.
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Replying To Fitzy01: "I would say Limerick have worked on mastering all the basic skills of the game and put them together better than most. Catching, striking, rising, handpassing, stick pass, shooting are all age old skills and none of that has changed. Those are the traditional skills of the game and over the last few years Limerick have done them better than anyone else. Also they constantly change during a game, they won't go through the lines each and every time lots of times there will be simple long cross field ball to Gillane or there will be a long delivery down to Hegarty or Tom Morrissey. They play the traditional and possession based.
In terms of physical strength you are right, Limerick do possess that but it's only one weapon in their armoury. Take Barry Nash, Darragh O'Donovan, Declan Hannon, Cian Lynch, Peter Casey, Graham Mulcahy, Cathal O'Neill etc. as examples of players who primarily utilise skill and technique rather than power and the physical side." Interesting that you omitted three basic skills of the traditional game, hooking, blocking and striking on the ground! If you were ever involved with coaching hurling to young lads you'd want them to master those skills first. But the modern game with its emphasis on possession/hand-passing and making space to strike the sliotar has changed all that.
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1795 - 31/03/2023 08:30:06
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Replying To Trump2020: "So the League Final between Limerick and KK is to be played in Cork…..why not Thurles which is practically the midpoint between the two counties and would be easier for the fans of both teams?!? Just wondering." Waterford and Tipperary are playing a football there and that seems to be the excuse they are proffering for not fixing the League Final there . Now the football game will attract about 7,000 (Max) and the pitch can accommodate about 45,000. There is no way that over 35,000 people would be attending a Hurling League Final at the moment, especially with the Championship starting a few weeks from now.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 31/03/2023 09:14:26
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