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Replying To Bon:  "Is Richie Leahy till kicking about on the panel or has he been shown the door?"
He gone to Australia. Waterford kk game is delayed on tg4

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 127 - 15/03/2023 18:41:43    2464103

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Replying To Bon:  "Is Richie Leahy till kicking about on the panel or has he been shown the door?"
Off the panel. One of the best underage hurlers I ever saw. Never really made it at Senior.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11806 - 15/03/2023 19:14:35    2464108

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Seems to way and if that was the case then Clare will have a better score difference than Limerick. Galway have a big score difference to make up but it wouldnt be impossible if Limerick were to lose.
With all due respect to Wexford but if Limerick lose at home then theyre throwing that game. Given the panel they have this season I dont see that happening somehow but its an interesting game as I think Wexford def go full strength while Limerick prob wont."
Can't see Limerick not going with pretty much a full team. While we will definitely be missing some of our best players through injury. Alot will probably depend on how both panels train this week also. I don't think Egan or Kiely could care less if either team wins, but it might be very important for any players that aren't regularly starting to put their hand up for a championship place.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11806 - 15/03/2023 19:18:39    2464110

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Replying To Viking66:  "Off the panel. One of the best underage hurlers I ever saw. Never really made it at Senior."
My thoughts exactly. He was given enough chances imo.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1907 - 16/03/2023 10:16:42    2464146

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Seems to way and if that was the case then Clare will have a better score difference than Limerick. Galway have a big score difference to make up but it wouldnt be impossible if Limerick were to lose.
With all due respect to Wexford but if Limerick lose at home then theyre throwing that game. Given the panel they have this season I dont see that happening somehow but its an interesting game as I think Wexford def go full strength while Limerick prob wont."
Now you are changing what happened completely to get your narrative across while trying to make the victim of a kick the villain. I absolutely take issue with saying Bennett tried to get Breen off. If he did he would have rolled around on the ground holding his leg. He walked away up the line for all to see in the stadium and on t. v. The officials obvious thought there was an infraction but issued the wrong card.
I have no issue with Baron's red card. He lashed out and it was seen by the official and many spectators.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 16/03/2023 16:02:14    2464253

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Replying To KKid:  "Canuck, Can you tell me who might well be missing this weekend?

We are still short our 4 all stars, not sure we have replaced Mikey Carey, Conor Browne isn't a phenomenal hirler, but his athleticism is a loss too."
I believe Prunty,Gleeson,Kiely,Baron. D. Lyons,McNulty and I have my doubts about Bennett his hip was visually bothering him after the antics of Saturday. I think it is being kept under wraps. Maybe wrong.
Kilkenny will have too much for them and always go out to win every match. Even challenge games.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 16/03/2023 16:10:39    2464256

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Replying To Canuck:  "I believe Prunty,Gleeson,Kiely,Baron. D. Lyons,McNulty and I have my doubts about Bennett his hip was visually bothering him after the antics of Saturday. I think it is being kept under wraps. Maybe wrong.
Kilkenny will have too much for them and always go out to win every match. Even challenge games."
Canuck, I normally enjoy reading your posts but your comments about Shane Bennett's hips are getting tiresome at this stage. Have you forgotten already about the "antics" of Bennett in the Munster League game against Tipp in Mallow in January? He was introduced as a sub in the second half and his first action was to clatter into a young Tipp debutant, Shane Neville, who wouldn't have anything like the strength of Bennett. Not satisfied with that, he had another go at him, which led to a melee when some other Tipp players felt they needed to protect their young colleague. I wouldn't class Bennett as a dirty player by any means - maybe he was acting on instructions - but he certainly didn't behave like a man who had major hip problems.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 542 - 16/03/2023 17:34:03    2464275

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Replying To cityman73:  "Maybe I'm wrong but if Clare and Galway win this week and Limerick lose,the three teams will on 6 points,so goes to scoring difference."
Speaking from a wexford perspective that seems unlikely

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2648 - 16/03/2023 19:20:44    2464288

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Replying To Canuck:  "I believe Prunty,Gleeson,Kiely,Baron. D. Lyons,McNulty and I have my doubts about Bennett his hip was visually bothering him after the antics of Saturday. I think it is being kept under wraps. Maybe wrong.
Kilkenny will have too much for them and always go out to win every match. Even challenge games."
When you start mentioning those names Canuck you really wonder how in the name of God you don't manage to get out of Munster more often. Waterford certainly aren't short of hurling

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 372 - 16/03/2023 20:57:06    2464304

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Replying To midlands:  "Canuck, I normally enjoy reading your posts but your comments about Shane Bennett's hips are getting tiresome at this stage. Have you forgotten already about the "antics" of Bennett in the Munster League game against Tipp in Mallow in January? He was introduced as a sub in the second half and his first action was to clatter into a young Tipp debutant, Shane Neville, who wouldn't have anything like the strength of Bennett. Not satisfied with that, he had another go at him, which led to a melee when some other Tipp players felt they needed to protect their young colleague. I wouldn't class Bennett as a dirty player by any means - maybe he was acting on instructions - but he certainly didn't behave like a man who had major hip problems."
Midlands you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. I could give you many examples of young players receiving the brunt of Tipp toughness. Just two for sample. I sat with Kieran Ryan in school. He came in after a league game in Carrick on Suir with his top and bottom teeth gone. He was 16 and got the stick off the ball. I work with the great Franky Walsh R. I. P. who lost his job as a crane driver because three fingers on his right hand were dis formed as a result of a strike from a famous Tipp full back. He was leaning on his stick waiting for the puck out. I was at Mick Mackey's funeral with him and the Tipp man asked him "how are you Franky". He held up his hand and said "better than the day you did this". I am sure there has been many examples of strikes by Waterford men but Tipp has the franchise for it. Kilkenny our arch rivals will play you tough but rarely pull a mean strike.
It is an absolute miracle that Bennett is playing hurling at all. His hip issues started when he was a minor. I don't know any players who have had surgery on both hips and one twice. I predict he won't play for long as it will catch up with him. Gy

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 17/03/2023 16:29:56    2464377

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There is always one of the big names stronger Thank fully it is Limerick now.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 17/03/2023 16:54:07    2464380

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Replying To Canuck:  "Midlands you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. I could give you many examples of young players receiving the brunt of Tipp toughness. Just two for sample. I sat with Kieran Ryan in school. He came in after a league game in Carrick on Suir with his top and bottom teeth gone. He was 16 and got the stick off the ball. I work with the great Franky Walsh R. I. P. who lost his job as a crane driver because three fingers on his right hand were dis formed as a result of a strike from a famous Tipp full back. He was leaning on his stick waiting for the puck out. I was at Mick Mackey's funeral with him and the Tipp man asked him "how are you Franky". He held up his hand and said "better than the day you did this". I am sure there has been many examples of strikes by Waterford men but Tipp has the franchise for it. Kilkenny our arch rivals will play you tough but rarely pull a mean strike.
It is an absolute miracle that Bennett is playing hurling at all. His hip issues started when he was a minor. I don't know any players who have had surgery on both hips and one twice. I predict he won't play for long as it will catch up with him. Gy"
Don't be so sure.

Liam óg McGovern had hips and knees done before he was 25 and is still going strong

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2648 - 18/03/2023 11:20:08    2464430

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Replying To Canuck:  "Midlands you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. I could give you many examples of young players receiving the brunt of Tipp toughness. Just two for sample. I sat with Kieran Ryan in school. He came in after a league game in Carrick on Suir with his top and bottom teeth gone. He was 16 and got the stick off the ball. I work with the great Franky Walsh R. I. P. who lost his job as a crane driver because three fingers on his right hand were dis formed as a result of a strike from a famous Tipp full back. He was leaning on his stick waiting for the puck out. I was at Mick Mackey's funeral with him and the Tipp man asked him "how are you Franky". He held up his hand and said "better than the day you did this". I am sure there has been many examples of strikes by Waterford men but Tipp has the franchise for it. Kilkenny our arch rivals will play you tough but rarely pull a mean strike.
It is an absolute miracle that Bennett is playing hurling at all. His hip issues started when he was a minor. I don't know any players who have had surgery on both hips and one twice. I predict he won't play for long as it will catch up with him. Gy"
Bennett is a joy to watch the way he hurls. Unfortunately ye have a local surgeon down there who has operated on many GAA players hips. Many believe a lot didn't need surgery. Thankfully it seems players the last couple of years are looking at other avenues. I'm no surgeon tho so maybe Bennett was one that he helped. I could rattle or numerous intercounty players who have had hip surgery. Two all Ireland winners from Tipp and KK that it definitely didn't help.

Regarding the Tipp team you're referring to I can't really comment only that I know they were different times. However it wasn't any different in most counties. There was serious incidents in Laois, Galway and the rest too.

On a more current note though do you think refs aren't protecting Waterford players or why are they picking up so many cards this year? They're out on their own in terms of yellow and red cards.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 18/03/2023 11:28:04    2464432

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Don't be so sure.

Liam óg McGovern had hips and knees done before he was 25 and is still going strong"
Mogie actually did his ACL twice. As has TdeB. TdeB will be 29 this year and Mogie 32.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11806 - 18/03/2023 11:32:55    2464435

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Replying To Canuck:  "Midlands you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. I could give you many examples of young players receiving the brunt of Tipp toughness. Just two for sample. I sat with Kieran Ryan in school. He came in after a league game in Carrick on Suir with his top and bottom teeth gone. He was 16 and got the stick off the ball. I work with the great Franky Walsh R. I. P. who lost his job as a crane driver because three fingers on his right hand were dis formed as a result of a strike from a famous Tipp full back. He was leaning on his stick waiting for the puck out. I was at Mick Mackey's funeral with him and the Tipp man asked him "how are you Franky". He held up his hand and said "better than the day you did this". I am sure there has been many examples of strikes by Waterford men but Tipp has the franchise for it. Kilkenny our arch rivals will play you tough but rarely pull a mean strike.
It is an absolute miracle that Bennett is playing hurling at all. His hip issues started when he was a minor. I don't know any players who have had surgery on both hips and one twice. I predict he won't play for long as it will catch up with him. Gy"
Tipp were famous for it back in the day. But you have lads in your current team with well earned reputations for being plain dirty rather than hard.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11806 - 18/03/2023 11:35:02    2464436

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Replying To Canuck:  "Midlands you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. I could give you many examples of young players receiving the brunt of Tipp toughness. Just two for sample. I sat with Kieran Ryan in school. He came in after a league game in Carrick on Suir with his top and bottom teeth gone. He was 16 and got the stick off the ball. I work with the great Franky Walsh R. I. P. who lost his job as a crane driver because three fingers on his right hand were dis formed as a result of a strike from a famous Tipp full back. He was leaning on his stick waiting for the puck out. I was at Mick Mackey's funeral with him and the Tipp man asked him "how are you Franky". He held up his hand and said "better than the day you did this". I am sure there has been many examples of strikes by Waterford men but Tipp has the franchise for it. Kilkenny our arch rivals will play you tough but rarely pull a mean strike.
It is an absolute miracle that Bennett is playing hurling at all. His hip issues started when he was a minor. I don't know any players who have had surgery on both hips and one twice. I predict he won't play for long as it will catch up with him. Gy"
I was discussing the Bennett situation, Canuck, but for some reason you have changed the narrative by invoking incidents from long ago which have no relevance to this topic. "Tipp has the franchise for it" is a fairly damning statement and having watched hurling for 60 years I couldn't agree with that. Like many hurling followers, I would love to see Waterford win an All-Ireland, but they have been involved in some unseemly stuff in recent years. We can all dig up incidents from the past involving all counties but your apparent obsession with Tipp seems to cloud your judgement. For instance, you labelled the McGrath brothers a disgrace after the Loughmore-Ballygunner game in Dungarvan in 2021. I would guess that there isn't a single hurling follower in the country who would agree with that statement,

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 542 - 18/03/2023 11:55:34    2464443

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Replying To midlands:  "I was discussing the Bennett situation, Canuck, but for some reason you have changed the narrative by invoking incidents from long ago which have no relevance to this topic. "Tipp has the franchise for it" is a fairly damning statement and having watched hurling for 60 years I couldn't agree with that. Like many hurling followers, I would love to see Waterford win an All-Ireland, but they have been involved in some unseemly stuff in recent years. We can all dig up incidents from the past involving all counties but your apparent obsession with Tipp seems to cloud your judgement. For instance, you labelled the McGrath brothers a disgrace after the Loughmore-Ballygunner game in Dungarvan in 2021. I would guess that there isn't a single hurling follower in the country who would agree with that statement,"
You changed the subject of Saturday night's incident when you went back to another description and labelling Bennett for abusing a young player. You also missed quoted me about the McGraths. I said Noel's was a charge when play was stopped and not much more than a yellow John McGrath was a red any day of the week for striking out. The same as Baron Sat also. My opinion on Tipp is the always played nastier than anyone. Produced great men like Jimmy Doyle, Len Gaynor, Mick Roche, Babs and more recent Lar Corbrett. These men allowed their hurling do the talking.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 18/03/2023 13:07:58    2464462

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Replying To Canuck:  "You changed the subject of Saturday night's incident when you went back to another description and labelling Bennett for abusing a young player. You also missed quoted me about the McGraths. I said Noel's was a charge when play was stopped and not much more than a yellow John McGrath was a red any day of the week for striking out. The same as Baron Sat also. My opinion on Tipp is the always played nastier than anyone. Produced great men like Jimmy Doyle, Len Gaynor, Mick Roche, Babs and more recent Lar Corbrett. These men allowed their hurling do the talking."
Sorry, Canuck, but I did not misquote you about the McGrath's. Noel's "crime" was a shoulder charge in retaliation for an off the ball hit moments earlier. John's was a gentle flick that became a red after a few Ballygunner players ran to the umpires. By the way, I presume you know that this red card was later rescinded. As regards Bennett, I mentioned the game in Mallow just to show how ridiculous was your claim that Tipp deliberately targeted his hips. OK, Breen should have walked but to claim there was an orchestrated effort by Tipp to injure Bennet's hips is pure speculation on your part, no doubt influenced by your obvious dislike of Tipperary. However, it seems you are convinced that Tipp are the nastiest team around and nothing is going to change that. You will always jump to your own conclusions and assume that everything some Tipp players do has a sinister motive behind it. Thus I see no point in arguing any further points with you. Anyway, good luck to Waterford in the championship, and I look forward to seeing Shane Bennett and others entertaining us with their skills throughout the summer.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 542 - 18/03/2023 17:10:35    2464512

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Replying To midlands:  "Sorry, Canuck, but I did not misquote you about the McGrath's. Noel's "crime" was a shoulder charge in retaliation for an off the ball hit moments earlier. John's was a gentle flick that became a red after a few Ballygunner players ran to the umpires. By the way, I presume you know that this red card was later rescinded. As regards Bennett, I mentioned the game in Mallow just to show how ridiculous was your claim that Tipp deliberately targeted his hips. OK, Breen should have walked but to claim there was an orchestrated effort by Tipp to injure Bennet's hips is pure speculation on your part, no doubt influenced by your obvious dislike of Tipperary. However, it seems you are convinced that Tipp are the nastiest team around and nothing is going to change that. You will always jump to your own conclusions and assume that everything some Tipp players do has a sinister motive behind it. Thus I see no point in arguing any further points with you. Anyway, good luck to Waterford in the championship, and I look forward to seeing Shane Bennett and others entertaining us with their skills throughout the summer."
I'm actually not biased towards Tipp. Only just expressing an opinion of how they tend to play. I spent much of my youth in Littleton and pucked around with my cousins and Moycarky. They would kill each other never mind outsiders. Not every Tipp player and certainly not the ones mentioned. No one would deny that the Hell's Kitchen line would take your life and injured many opponents.
With regards Waterford they would have more if they were good enough and won't until they are. In my opinion also we are not tough enough and resort to silly retaliation. If Breen did what he did to Ken or his father he would be getting his food throw a straw.
Hopefully we have a good hurling year where the skills are the biggest talking points. Incidentally I have great time for Westmeath hurling and the many friends made in college with them.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 18/03/2023 17:42:14    2464515

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Replying To Canuck:  "You changed the subject of Saturday night's incident when you went back to another description and labelling Bennett for abusing a young player. You also missed quoted me about the McGraths. I said Noel's was a charge when play was stopped and not much more than a yellow John McGrath was a red any day of the week for striking out. The same as Baron Sat also. My opinion on Tipp is the always played nastier than anyone. Produced great men like Jimmy Doyle, Len Gaynor, Mick Roche, Babs and more recent Lar Corbrett. These men allowed their hurling do the talking."
Didn't Len Gaynor break Eddie Keher's hand any time he marked him? On 2-3 occasions at least!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1909 - 18/03/2023 17:43:10    2464516

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