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Are Clare relegated?
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 784 - 19/03/2023 20:31:23
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Replying To Aoife1234: "How about play offs for promotion between the 2nd and 3rd placed teams in Divisions 2, 3 and 4? A play off 'final' would be a more meaningful and high stakes contest than league finals, where both teams are already promoted. The division winners would be automatically promoted. It would mean they would potentially have to keep playing until the last game to guarantee finishing top rather than having to go into a playoff. It could also potentially give mid table teams something to aim for, knowing that 3rd place could give them a chance of being promoted. Thoughts?" No.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1419 - 19/03/2023 20:35:22
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Replying To MachaireConnacht: "Are Clare relegated?" Yes.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 19/03/2023 20:37:03
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Replying To Aoife1234: "How about play offs for promotion between the 2nd and 3rd placed teams in Divisions 2, 3 and 4? A play off 'final' would be a more meaningful and high stakes contest than league finals, where both teams are already promoted. The division winners would be automatically promoted. It would mean they would potentially have to keep playing until the last game to guarantee finishing top rather than having to go into a playoff. It could also potentially give mid table teams something to aim for, knowing that 3rd place could give them a chance of being promoted. Thoughts?" It's a very good suggestion. The one thing is that the top 2 in the Division get the final in Croke Park. That is a good experience and has been popular with players.
A relegation/promotion playoff between 5th and 3rd would spice things up as well. The leagues are competitive as they are. The relegation/promotion playoff can whet the appetites even more!
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 19/03/2023 20:41:33
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Replying To MachaireConnacht: "Are Clare relegated?" Yes Clare are Relegated with limrik who have the worst score difference in the whole competition......even worse than London from Div 4!!
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2198 - 19/03/2023 21:08:33
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Actually I like this idea
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/03/2023 21:11:43
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The final weekend in Division 4 looks like a cracker.
Sligo PTS 10
Leitrim PTS 8
Laois PTS 8
Wicklow PTS 8
HEAD TO HEAD
Sligo beat Wicklow, Wicklow beat Laois, Wicklow beat Leitrim, Leitrim beat Laois, Laois beat Sligo
Probable Results
Wicklow will beat Waterford Wicklow PTS 10
Laois will beat London PTS 10
THE CRUNCH GAME
I'm going Sligo and Leitrim to draw...
FINAL TABLE
Sligo PTS 11
Wicklow PTS 10
Laois PTS 10
Leitrim PTS 9
I'm presuming in this scenario, Sligo are obviously promoting along with Wicklow.... assuming Head to Head is factored in before score difference, if two teams are level. Correct me if I'm wrong...
Wicklowman (Wicklow) - Posts: 1138 - 19/03/2023 21:16:23
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Replying To MachaireConnacht: "Are Clare relegated?" Yes, themselves and Limerick
LilywhiteGael (Kildare) - Posts: 93 - 19/03/2023 21:21:10
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Replying To legendzxix: "It's a very good suggestion. The one thing is that the top 2 in the Division get the final in Croke Park. That is a good experience and has been popular with players.
A relegation/promotion playoff between 5th and 3rd would spice things up as well. The leagues are competitive as they are. The relegation/promotion playoff can whet the appetites even more!" 6th and 3rd.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 19/03/2023 21:56:48
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "Looking forward to next Sunday. Should be a biggish crowd given the novelty of a meaningful game between Dublin and Louth.
Was wracking my addled brain, and I think 1973 was the last time Louth beat Dublin in league or championship when Louth won in Navan in Leinster quarter final?" No league of Ireland games for Dundalk and Drogheda next weekend too, so I'd imagine people who wouldn't have went from Louth will travel.
I prob wouldnt afford to go if Dundalk had an away game on a Friday for example will Loi is on break week
We should have decent following with us
DundalkGael (Louth) - Posts: 892 - 19/03/2023 21:57:49
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So very early days but great to see energy pace and confidence back in the mayo team . In fairness loads outside of mayo and some in mayo to thought we were finished after 21 and last year,
Mcstay def has been watching mayo for years and has made the right alterations fair play to him and Rochford and co
I also saw some saying we would not be competitive at all this year without the likes of mullins and keagan yes both huge losses but someone is always waiting to step up in place of them.
People from outside of mayo saying it is only because we are ahead in fitness find that a bit insulting why cant they just say we are back in form? kerry where blitzing teams out of the league this time last year and everyone in the country said they are going to win sam but for mayo everyone is saying wait till other counties catch up in summer early days but we shall seee...
Galway look very strong this year with the big guns back kerry wont win back to back. Dublin I still think will bounce back to win sam!!
S1234 (Mayo) - Posts: 40 - 20/03/2023 07:50:59
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "Looking forward to next Sunday. Should be a biggish crowd given the novelty of a meaningful game between Dublin and Louth.
Was wracking my addled brain, and I think 1973 was the last time Louth beat Dublin in league or championship when Louth won in Navan in Leinster quarter final?" Louth beat Dublin in successive NFL Division Two campaigns in 1996 (Dundalk) & 1997 (Parnell Park) when Paul Kenny was manager
northroader (Louth) - Posts: 114 - 20/03/2023 10:03:07
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If there was ever an argument to abolish the League finals, I think that this year would support it.
Nobody really wants to get to the League final. If Mayo beat Monaghan and Kerry beat Galway ( both very likely outcomes) the League final will between a team with 12 points and a team with 8 points. Mayo have been the best team in the League and deserve the title , but could get caught in a one off game that they may not even want to be playing, but have no choice at this stage.
There are 2 arguments for keeping League finals
1. Gate receipts... At this point with the super 16s etc...I would assume that there is enough opportunity for GAA to gather funds....people only have so much money.
2. Keeping things tight right up to end of League. But I think in reality in terms of League final qualification there is really one significant game next weekend Galway v Kerry. Yes Tyrone , Roscommon have an outside chance if Kerry beat Galway and Tyrone or Ros win by 7 or more . That 7 score difference increases if the Kerry victory deviates from +3.
In terms of relegation its fairly cut and dried too.
Donegal relegated.
Monaghan almost certain to join them unless they beat Mayo AND Tyrone beat Armagh.
There are some score difference permutations here too that could involve a 3 way tie on 6 points but they would involve some bizarre score difference twists that would be very unlikely to favour Monaghan. Any scenario that leads to a 2 way tie on 6 will not favour Monaghan either as they are on the negative end of the head to heads.
anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 20/03/2023 10:31:43
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I think the League has been great. Good close games, good skills. Come on Galway, beat Kerry.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 20/03/2023 11:09:08
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Replying To northroader: "Louth beat Dublin in successive NFL Division Two campaigns in 1996 (Dundalk) & 1997 (Parnell Park) when Paul Kenny was manager" Thanks. I have absolutely no recollection of that! Brain addled as I say. Should be good crack. Only time I've seen Louth in recent years was last year in Croke Park and thought they looked good. Indeed, thought they might have made more of what they had so Mickey and the boys have obviously worked on that.
Will be shouting for our own of course, but looking forward to it.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2557 - 20/03/2023 11:11:58
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Replying To anotheralias: "If there was ever an argument to abolish the League finals, I think that this year would support it.
Nobody really wants to get to the League final. If Mayo beat Monaghan and Kerry beat Galway ( both very likely outcomes) the League final will between a team with 12 points and a team with 8 points. Mayo have been the best team in the League and deserve the title , but could get caught in a one off game that they may not even want to be playing, but have no choice at this stage.
There are 2 arguments for keeping League finals
1. Gate receipts... At this point with the super 16s etc...I would assume that there is enough opportunity for GAA to gather funds....people only have so much money.
2. Keeping things tight right up to end of League. But I think in reality in terms of League final qualification there is really one significant game next weekend Galway v Kerry. Yes Tyrone , Roscommon have an outside chance if Kerry beat Galway and Tyrone or Ros win by 7 or more . That 7 score difference increases if the Kerry victory deviates from +3.
In terms of relegation its fairly cut and dried too.
Donegal relegated.
Monaghan almost certain to join them unless they beat Mayo AND Tyrone beat Armagh.
There are some score difference permutations here too that could involve a 3 way tie on 6 points but they would involve some bizarre score difference twists that would be very unlikely to favour Monaghan. Any scenario that leads to a 2 way tie on 6 will not favour Monaghan either as they are on the negative end of the head to heads." Monaghan have the head to head on Roscommon so if Armagh and Rossies lose and Monaghan win then Monaghan safe by my calculations.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 20/03/2023 11:45:22
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Replying To anotheralias: "If there was ever an argument to abolish the League finals, I think that this year would support it.
Nobody really wants to get to the League final. If Mayo beat Monaghan and Kerry beat Galway ( both very likely outcomes) the League final will between a team with 12 points and a team with 8 points. Mayo have been the best team in the League and deserve the title , but could get caught in a one off game that they may not even want to be playing, but have no choice at this stage.
There are 2 arguments for keeping League finals
1. Gate receipts... At this point with the super 16s etc...I would assume that there is enough opportunity for GAA to gather funds....people only have so much money.
2. Keeping things tight right up to end of League. But I think in reality in terms of League final qualification there is really one significant game next weekend Galway v Kerry. Yes Tyrone , Roscommon have an outside chance if Kerry beat Galway and Tyrone or Ros win by 7 or more . That 7 score difference increases if the Kerry victory deviates from +3.
In terms of relegation its fairly cut and dried too.
Donegal relegated.
Monaghan almost certain to join them unless they beat Mayo AND Tyrone beat Armagh.
There are some score difference permutations here too that could involve a 3 way tie on 6 points but they would involve some bizarre score difference twists that would be very unlikely to favour Monaghan. Any scenario that leads to a 2 way tie on 6 will not favour Monaghan either as they are on the negative end of the head to heads." I don't think Mayo are in any mood for cancelling football games at the moment, nor are they likely to be equivocating too much about whether they want to play in them or not. They seem to be enjoying their football too much to be getting over analytical about anything, other than the football itself.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3422 - 20/03/2023 12:19:33
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "Monaghan have the head to head on Roscommon so if Armagh and Rossies lose and Monaghan win then Monaghan safe by my calculations." Monaghan need Armagh to lose doesnt really matter about Roscommon game as they will have a poorer score difference
credit_crunch (Armagh) - Posts: 57 - 20/03/2023 12:30:00
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "Monaghan have the head to head on Roscommon so if Armagh and Rossies lose and Monaghan win then Monaghan safe by my calculations." Head to head would be N/A because Armagh and Donegal would be Relegated on 5pts each while Monaghan and Roscommon would be safe with 6pts each.
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2198 - 20/03/2023 12:40:36
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Replying To credit_crunch: "Monaghan need Armagh to lose doesnt really matter about Roscommon game as they will have a poorer score difference" If Armagh lose and Monaghan win don't Armagh go down with Donegal?
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1419 - 20/03/2023 12:41:21
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