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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Agree Mick. I think that would be a better structure. It should also help to shake up some of the divisional teams who are putting little effort in."
Exactly and it would also weaken the stronger divisional teams a little.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3613 - 09/12/2023 13:04:05    2516105

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Replying To oneoff:  "A Kerry club won't win it this year so sort of makes your percentage a bit meaningless.

Miltown lost in Munster this year where was their advantage? Or Na Gaeil, Kenmare etc By your logic they should have been walking to the title.

Also why is someone from Galway so worried about clubs from Kerry?"
The team with the advantage does nt always win but its easier for a Kerry intermediate club to win All Ireand than other counties.Thats obvious as our intermediate clubs should be senior persais if our divisional teams were nt involved.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3613 - 09/12/2023 13:07:38    2516107

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "The team with the advantage does nt always win but its easier for a Kerry intermediate club to win All Ireand than other counties.Thats obvious as our intermediate clubs should be senior persais if our divisional teams were nt involved."
Milltown will be senior next year. A very average intermediate team who will bring nothing to the county championship.
I hate repeating myself but there is not twelve senior football calibre club teams in Kerry....Strand Road, Stacks, and a faltering Crokes squad, are not caused by the divisional sides.
A lot of the discussion seems centre on how to weaken the divisional teams, and the intermediate division, to help existing club senior teams win the county championship, and lessen a Kerry intermediate team's chances of winning an All-Ireland.

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 741 - 09/12/2023 20:18:50    2516148

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Replying To Gaa Fan:  "Milltown will be senior next year. A very average intermediate team who will bring nothing to the county championship.
I hate repeating myself but there is not twelve senior football calibre club teams in Kerry....Strand Road, Stacks, and a faltering Crokes squad, are not caused by the divisional sides.
A lot of the discussion seems centre on how to weaken the divisional teams, and the intermediate division, to help existing club senior teams win the county championship, and lessen a Kerry intermediate team's chances of winning an All-Ireland."
With respect I dissagree.It depends on what you expect of them.Kerry def have 12 clubs good enough for senior .Maybe not good enough to win the All Ireland but as strong as most counties and maybe even stronger.I agree Miltown are average but Austin Stacks would be stronger than many senior teams in most counties.Even Dublin have only 5 or 6 top clubs .Kerry shoukd have more than 8 senior teams.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3613 - 09/12/2023 23:22:42    2516162

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Replying To Gaa Fan:  "Milltown will be senior next year. A very average intermediate team who will bring nothing to the county championship.
I hate repeating myself but there is not twelve senior football calibre club teams in Kerry....Strand Road, Stacks, and a faltering Crokes squad, are not caused by the divisional sides.
A lot of the discussion seems centre on how to weaken the divisional teams, and the intermediate division, to help existing club senior teams win the county championship, and lessen a Kerry intermediate team's chances of winning an All-Ireland."
How many clubs are in Kerry, football clubs who have a team?

veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 319 - 10/12/2023 09:02:17    2516167

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Replying To Gaa Fan:  "Milltown will be senior next year. A very average intermediate team who will bring nothing to the county championship.
I hate repeating myself but there is not twelve senior football calibre club teams in Kerry....Strand Road, Stacks, and a faltering Crokes squad, are not caused by the divisional sides.
A lot of the discussion seems centre on how to weaken the divisional teams, and the intermediate division, to help existing club senior teams win the county championship, and lessen a Kerry intermediate team's chances of winning an All-Ireland."
think you find this in every county, the balance is not right with some very poor teams getting to play senior ie in my county of Down we have 16 senior teams but honestly we maybe should have only 8 which would make the intermediate championship and junior way more competitive and in turn giving themselves a better chance at Ulster.
Take Cavan this year the Senior, Intermediate and Junior champions were all playing div 1 football thats shocking.

Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 696 - 10/12/2023 11:13:54    2516171

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "By the stats they had an advantage. 40% doesn't equal 100%. Your grasp of numbers is shockingly bad. Kerry have won far more All-Ireland intermediate titles than any other county. It doesn't mean they're guaranteed to win it, but they generally have a better chance as they're sending a higher ranked club. That's as simple as I can spell it out for you.
When you resort to why are you commenting anyway as you're from county x, you're scraping the barrel. I have a keen interest in Kerry club football for family reasons. I also follow Mayo and Dublin club football for the same reasons. Is that allowed?"
"since Kerry went to 8 senior club teams they've won 2 of 5 All-Ireland intermediate titles, 40%."

A Kerry club can't win the Intermediate All-Ireland as Milltown lost. So meaning 40% you quoted is now going to be lower right? I it's you who has a poor grasp of numbers.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1360 - 10/12/2023 11:23:28    2516173

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Yes Wanpint I agree with you.Because Croke park only allow 16 teams play in the county championship Kerry reduced the senior teams to 8 so we can have 8 divisional teams.Of course that gives Kerry intermediate teams a huge advantage over most counties.Also that advantage is with our junior teams too.The Kerry county board are looking to change thinga up and hooefully it will increase to 12:senior teams.I would like to see a qualifying competition between the divisonal teams with 4 coming through to the county championship to join 12 senior teams."
It is potentially the option that the County Board sees as the preferred option. Dublin players play 6 club championship games and can put their feet up for the winter.
Kerry's club championships (Senior, Intermediate and Junior) have 3 group games and then knockout. I think everyone is ok with this.
The County Championship has to be knockout after that. Divisional club players have already had game time with their clubs.
The senior and intermediate championships should be 12 clubs each. Best 2 group winners into semi-finals. Remaining group winner and 3 group runners-up into quarter-finals.
In the Intermediate Championship, the best two 4th placed clubs into relegation semi-final. The loser taking on the remaining 4th placed club in the relegation final.
8 divisional clubs should play a knockout County Championship qualifying round. The 4 winners joining 12 senior clubs in a Round of 16. Knockout all the way.

The 4th placed senior clubs from the Senior Club Championship that do not make the County final should enter relegation playoffs:
1) If two 4th placed teams make the County final, the remaining 4th placed club should be automatically relegated.
2) If one 4th placed team makes the County final, the remaining two 4th placed clubs should contest a relegation final.
3) If no 4th placed team makes the County final, the best two 4th placed clubs into relegation semi-final. The loser taking on the remaining 4th placed club in the relegation final.

Dara Ó Cinneide is heading up the review of the county's senior football championship.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7703 - 10/12/2023 11:30:33    2516174

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Replying To Gaa Fan:  "Milltown will be senior next year. A very average intermediate team who will bring nothing to the county championship.
I hate repeating myself but there is not twelve senior football calibre club teams in Kerry....Strand Road, Stacks, and a faltering Crokes squad, are not caused by the divisional sides.
A lot of the discussion seems centre on how to weaken the divisional teams, and the intermediate division, to help existing club senior teams win the county championship, and lessen a Kerry intermediate team's chances of winning an All-Ireland."
Mr Galway who has a keen interest in Kerry football seems to ignore this.

Miltown have been senior in the past and made no impact. Nothing to suggest this will be any difference and will likely end up relegated back down sooner rather than later. Obviously having won the Intermediate they're entitled to go up.

The other clubs they suggest are similar. Without the Cliffords Fossa would be going nowhere. Legion were a senior team for 15 or so years and in that time made the final once. Yet people think that they'll suddenly make a huge difference to the championship.

People conveniently ignore the fact that before it changed to 8 teams the likes of Kilcummin, Ardfert, Mitchels amount others offered nothing to the senior championship.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1360 - 10/12/2023 11:30:36    2516175

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Replying To oneoff:  ""since Kerry went to 8 senior club teams they've won 2 of 5 All-Ireland intermediate titles, 40%."

A Kerry club can't win the Intermediate All-Ireland as Milltown lost. So meaning 40% you quoted is now going to be lower right? I it's you who has a poor grasp of numbers."
The key is in the statement. Of All-Ireland intermediate championships won. This season's hasn't been won yet. Yes, the percentage will drop once another team wins it, but it's still miles ahead of any other county's proportion of wins. The advantage is staring you in the face.
As Mick said Kerry's top-12 would be easily as strong if not better than most counties. If your definition of offering something to the senior championship is being realistic contenders, then you might as well knock it down to 3 or 4 clubs. Every senior club championship will have a few tiers, with teams capable of springing a shock on a given day.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1992 - 10/12/2023 13:32:31    2516189

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "The key is in the statement. Of All-Ireland intermediate championships won. This season's hasn't been won yet. Yes, the percentage will drop once another team wins it, but it's still miles ahead of any other county's proportion of wins. The advantage is staring you in the face.
As Mick said Kerry's top-12 would be easily as strong if not better than most counties. If your definition of offering something to the senior championship is being realistic contenders, then you might as well knock it down to 3 or 4 clubs. Every senior club championship will have a few tiers, with teams capable of springing a shock on a given day."
So what reason do you have to have 12 senior teams if it's not to improve the standard? You're basically saying you want every other grade to be brought down in standard?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1360 - 10/12/2023 16:25:58    2516214

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Replying To oneoff:  "So what reason do you have to have 12 senior teams if it's not to improve the standard? You're basically saying you want every other grade to be brought down in standard?"
I'll repeat it one last time, if I haven't 5 times already. The reason is to give club teams a fairer chance of competing, by reducing the pick of some of the divisional teams. Having the pick of the 9th best club and beyond has made a few of them even stronger and made it extremely difficult for club teams to win a county title.
On a separate note. Hard luck to Dingle today. The conditions were horrendous but both teams tried to play as positively as they could. Fair play to Castlehaven. Cahalane ended up the hero.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1992 - 10/12/2023 16:56:54    2516216

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Replying To oneoff:  "So what reason do you have to have 12 senior teams if it's not to improve the standard? You're basically saying you want every other grade to be brought down in standard?"
I think you arguing for the sake of it.The main point is with Kerry only having 8 senior teams it does give them a big advantage over other counties in the intermediate competition.Its irrelevant if some clubs dont perform well at senior.In all counties some senior clubs have no chance of winning the championship.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3613 - 10/12/2023 17:05:15    2516220

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I think you arguing for the sake of it.The main point is with Kerry only having 8 senior teams it does give them a big advantage over other counties in the intermediate competition.Its irrelevant if some clubs dont perform well at senior.In all counties some senior clubs have no chance of winning the championship."
We are back again to what seems to be for posters a sore point and that is Kerry Intermediate teams and not the quality of games, which should exist, in senior county championships.
Austin Stacks playing in the intermediate division defeated two powerhouses, Ballydonoghue and John Mitchells, before losing to Fossa in the semi. Strand Road won one game in the county championship.

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 741 - 10/12/2023 18:48:06    2516243

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "I'll repeat it one last time, if I haven't 5 times already. The reason is to give club teams a fairer chance of competing, by reducing the pick of some of the divisional teams. Having the pick of the 9th best club and beyond has made a few of them even stronger and made it extremely difficult for club teams to win a county title.
On a separate note. Hard luck to Dingle today. The conditions were horrendous but both teams tried to play as positively as they could. Fair play to Castlehaven. Cahalane ended up the hero."
So you want to make it "fairer" by making the Intermediate and every grade below it weaker?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1360 - 10/12/2023 19:23:01    2516251

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I've just been reading about Fionan Mackessy joining O'Loughlin Gaels. None of the articles I've read say why he is joining them, besides wanting to play a higher standard of hurling. Is he living and working in Kilkenny?
What I'm getting at is, how does this fit in with the 'Parish Rule'?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2397 - 22/02/2024 22:30:01    2527630

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "I've just been reading about Fionan Mackessy joining O'Loughlin Gaels. None of the articles I've read say why he is joining them, besides wanting to play a higher standard of hurling. Is he living and working in Kilkenny?
What I'm getting at is, how does this fit in with the 'Parish Rule'?"
He's living and working there the last while

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11212 - 23/02/2024 07:12:57    2527640

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Replying To Viking66:  "He's living and working there the last while"
Thanks. I'm a bit out of touch with things back in KK, living here in 'The Smoke '.
I wonder, will he still turn out for Kerry; what with the travelling for training etc.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2397 - 23/02/2024 07:39:38    2527641

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "With respect I dissagree.It depends on what you expect of them.Kerry def have 12 clubs good enough for senior .Maybe not good enough to win the All Ireland but as strong as most counties and maybe even stronger.I agree Miltown are average but Austin Stacks would be stronger than many senior teams in most counties.Even Dublin have only 5 or 6 top clubs .Kerry shoukd have more than 8 senior teams."
I repeat again that there are not enough quality players to justify twelve senior championship football teams in Kerry.
Look at the quality of the players on display on Sunday, and look at the subs bench.
I watched all the Kerry County senior championship games this year and repeat the County is fortunate to get thirty players for the senior squad.

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 741 - 27/02/2024 19:01:50    2528713

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