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Replying To daveboy:  "Team I'd like to see Saturday

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Casey Dan Nash
Byrnes Hannon Coughlin
DoD WoD
Hego Lynch Tom
Casey Gillane O Dalaigh

Finn
Hayes
Flanagan
O Brien
English

All those subs to come in.

I think kiely knows Finn and Hayes are guaranteed starters. Mike looks to me like he could lose out to Dan at 3 so Mike can cover 2 3 4 all year when needed and probably will be needed. Coughlin seems to be first back up in HB line bar Dan so needs exposure in a big game like this. DoD and WoD need to have a game together similarly the HF line. Flanagan has started every game so no harm mixing up the FF line and give o Dalaigh the start and see how he goes. Hes been impresive so far. Gillane and Casey need game time. I'd like to see Adam English get 25 mins around the middle 3rd and Shane o brien come on for 25 inside . They'll have had the u20s match this week so 25 mins sounds right to me. Others that might see mins could be Murphy, Houlihan, Fergal o connor, Aidan o Connor.

Looking forward to the game."
Good logic to your team, Dave. What I'd be interested in seeing is how the FF line would motor from the start without Flanagan. He's an absolute nightmare for a FB to keep tabs on, as he drags his man all over the place, left, right, center and angles. He really opens everything up for the other players, often without even touching the ball; really unselfish. Also, if David Reidy is fit, he might see time from the bench, as he'll probably be needed off the bench come championship.

On another note: would you be concerned about Limerick's apparent lack of inclination to go for goals? We know that they've many men who can break the net, but it seems set up that they focus on scoring up to 30 points (and more at times) to win games. That was good enough to win it last year, with the few goals here and there, but might not be good enough in this year's championship. So far, in this league their focus on goal scoring has been very limited. Do you think that it is a case of Kiely & Co. are keeping their powder dry?

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2202 - 22/03/2023 14:23:57    2465785

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Going by the teams named both look like they are going for it..looking forward to a cracker,I just hope weather clears up some bit..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2506 - 24/03/2023 11:05:22    2466176

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Good logic to your team, Dave. What I'd be interested in seeing is how the FF line would motor from the start without Flanagan. He's an absolute nightmare for a FB to keep tabs on, as he drags his man all over the place, left, right, center and angles. He really opens everything up for the other players, often without even touching the ball; really unselfish. Also, if David Reidy is fit, he might see time from the bench, as he'll probably be needed off the bench come championship.

On another note: would you be concerned about Limerick's apparent lack of inclination to go for goals? We know that they've many men who can break the net, but it seems set up that they focus on scoring up to 30 points (and more at times) to win games. That was good enough to win it last year, with the few goals here and there, but might not be good enough in this year's championship. So far, in this league their focus on goal scoring has been very limited. Do you think that it is a case of Kiely & Co. are keeping their powder dry?"
I think the lack of goals thing has been put at linerick in the past but for me it doesn't really stand up. If the opposition drop a man or two deep and allows you to collect a free puck out and how well they retain the ball into the scoring area then you'd be silly not to take what they give you. Especially when you have ball strikers like nash byrnes hannon hayes hego morrissey. When teams do push up like cork and tipp did last year in the round Robin then limerick went long and scored goals. The thing with Limerick is they can sort of absorb either way you throw at them

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 24/03/2023 11:25:42    2466186

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Going by the teams named both look like they are going for it..looking forward to a cracker,I just hope weather clears up some bit.."
if limerick were 100% going for it kyle hayes, seamus flanagan and gearoid hegarty would be starting . now dont get me wrong limerick would like to win but its not the be all and end all for them.

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1139 - 24/03/2023 11:56:03    2466200

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Replying To munsterchamps:  "if limerick were 100% going for it kyle hayes, seamus flanagan and gearoid hegarty would be starting . now dont get me wrong limerick would like to win but its not the be all and end all for them."
They may start anyway. Hegarty was named on the bench last weekend but started

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15669 - 24/03/2023 12:25:53    2466222

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Replying To munsterchamps:  "if limerick were 100% going for it kyle hayes, seamus flanagan and gearoid hegarty would be starting . now dont get me wrong limerick would like to win but its not the be all and end all for them."
I think its smart move by Kiely. At some point you need new blood and this is a great chance to throw in new players surrounded by the bulk of the first choice. I think Tipp are almost full strength too - at least to whats available. Bowe, Kehoe and McGrath will be options off the bench and I'd expect the first two to be first choice come cship.
He has managed to build up a panel despite long term injuries to Barry Heffernan, Morgan, Cadell, N. O'Meara, Barrett, Callanan , Ciaran Connolly and Ger Browne. Along with the sad passing of Dylan Quirke and the retirement of Bubbles its remarkable that Tipp have been competitive in the league although it maybe played into their hands being clearly in a far weaker group. I think each of those 10 would have started or came off the bench had they been available so credit where it is due to this point.

In the Gaelic Grounds if Tipp can be competitive I think we can take something from the game. It'll be interesting to see how Tipps/Cahills eagerness for goals goes against a ridiculously strong 1-9 Limerick team. I'm more interested to see how our 3 and 6 get on though.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 24/03/2023 13:20:08    2466253

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I think its smart move by Kiely. At some point you need new blood and this is a great chance to throw in new players surrounded by the bulk of the first choice. I think Tipp are almost full strength too - at least to whats available. Bowe, Kehoe and McGrath will be options off the bench and I'd expect the first two to be first choice come cship.
He has managed to build up a panel despite long term injuries to Barry Heffernan, Morgan, Cadell, N. O'Meara, Barrett, Callanan , Ciaran Connolly and Ger Browne. Along with the sad passing of Dylan Quirke and the retirement of Bubbles its remarkable that Tipp have been competitive in the league although it maybe played into their hands being clearly in a far weaker group. I think each of those 10 would have started or came off the bench had they been available so credit where it is due to this point.

In the Gaelic Grounds if Tipp can be competitive I think we can take something from the game. It'll be interesting to see how Tipps/Cahills eagerness for goals goes against a ridiculously strong 1-9 Limerick team. I'm more interested to see how our 3 and 6 get on though."
Good post. I agree with you I think cahill has built a nice bit of bite into Tipp this year. They're going into every ball with energy and purpose. With the injuries picked up he has had no choice but to treat each game like a full on championship trial and for me it's why Tipp have topped the group. Tipp are not taking the easy point option this year but it will be interesting to see if they persist if they get turned over a couple of times. They'll target certain areas of that limerick defense and they'll run at them. I'm interested to see if they'll do a full press on nickys puckouts my feeling is they will and they'll trust their half back line who are all good in the air. Without hego starting Limerick done have the same long puckout option esp with hayes bavk at 7 and on the bench Saturday. Boylan for a big man doesn't win a lot of primary ball so limerick will target space and runners through the middle.

I think Brian o mara will have a huge test on Saturday and Breen will pick up Gillane so as you said they'll be tested

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 24/03/2023 14:12:56    2466280

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Interested listening to podcasts with pundits like Jackie Tyrell tipping Tipp to win which is fantastic. Certainly, they will come to Limerick to deliver their best performance. They will be looking to know where they stand and if they can win, it will drive a whole new narrative about the championship.

Frankly, I don't see Tipp winning this match. I've lived decades looking at Tipp team sheets with terror. I didn't get that sensation last night when the team was announced on Twitter. I expect that they will give us a rattle tomorrow night but Limerick look too strong for me to lose.

I'm delighted to see that JK is starting Coughlan, O'Neill and O'Dalaigh (who seems to have the knack for getting scores). Giving these guys opportunity is what the league is meant to be used for and I'm hopeful that they will all play well which will build their confidence and self belief.

I'm looking forward to it.

Dealer (Limerick) - Posts: 837 - 24/03/2023 14:53:37    2466292

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I think its smart move by Kiely. At some point you need new blood and this is a great chance to throw in new players surrounded by the bulk of the first choice. I think Tipp are almost full strength too - at least to whats available. Bowe, Kehoe and McGrath will be options off the bench and I'd expect the first two to be first choice come cship.
He has managed to build up a panel despite long term injuries to Barry Heffernan, Morgan, Cadell, N. O'Meara, Barrett, Callanan , Ciaran Connolly and Ger Browne. Along with the sad passing of Dylan Quirke and the retirement of Bubbles its remarkable that Tipp have been competitive in the league although it maybe played into their hands being clearly in a far weaker group. I think each of those 10 would have started or came off the bench had they been available so credit where it is due to this point.

In the Gaelic Grounds if Tipp can be competitive I think we can take something from the game. It'll be interesting to see how Tipps/Cahills eagerness for goals goes against a ridiculously strong 1-9 Limerick team. I'm more interested to see how our 3 and 6 get on though."
I agree, i also think its a smart move by Kiely. He has named a very strong team out but is not giving Tipp a chance to learn how two of our strongest and most influential players will play from the start.
I'm sure Tipp would love to be able to learn if the can contain Hayes runs up and down the left hand side and Hegarty roaming around the pitch. Tactically i think Tipp have been very astute against us in recent times but have usually then blown up after 40 mins and had nothing left in the tank and nothing off the bench, Things look a bit different this year.

I don't think either team will be too bothered by the end result but both will want a good game and performance as the start of the championship looms.

Massive games for Donnacha O Dalaigh and Cathal O'Neill, its a great chance for them to put down a marker and say pick me as a starter. Mike Casey is also going to get a good test starting at full back in a match where he is definitely going to be tested. He has massive competition now with Dan for the starting full back slot now that it looks likely that Hayes will revert to half back. It gives Kiely a nice surprise hand to play on the day where he knows he can easily play Dan at half back and unleash Hayes in a number of other roles if required. We have greatoptions all over the field, with the exception of Nickie and possibly Gillane, both would be hard to do without.

Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 434 - 24/03/2023 15:19:15    2466296

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Going by the teams named both look like they are going for it..looking forward to a cracker,I just hope weather clears up some bit.."
Kiely & Co. are giving game time to players whose appearances have been limited enough so far: Finn, Byrnes, Hannon, Coughlan, O'Donoghue, O'Neill, Gillane and the two Casey's, especially Mike.

So, I think that influenced the team selection rather than trying to go all out to win the game.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2202 - 24/03/2023 17:01:09    2466333

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I think its smart move by Kiely. At some point you need new blood and this is a great chance to throw in new players surrounded by the bulk of the first choice. I think Tipp are almost full strength too - at least to whats available. Bowe, Kehoe and McGrath will be options off the bench and I'd expect the first two to be first choice come cship.
He has managed to build up a panel despite long term injuries to Barry Heffernan, Morgan, Cadell, N. O'Meara, Barrett, Callanan , Ciaran Connolly and Ger Browne. Along with the sad passing of Dylan Quirke and the retirement of Bubbles its remarkable that Tipp have been competitive in the league although it maybe played into their hands being clearly in a far weaker group. I think each of those 10 would have started or came off the bench had they been available so credit where it is due to this point.

In the Gaelic Grounds if Tipp can be competitive I think we can take something from the game. It'll be interesting to see how Tipps/Cahills eagerness for goals goes against a ridiculously strong 1-9 Limerick team. I'm more interested to see how our 3 and 6 get on though."
In addition to the loss of the players listed above, Padraic Maher's enforced retirement means Tipp have a very inexperienced line-out. They have done all that was asked of them in the league up to now, but realistically it wasn't a huge achievement to win all five games. They would have been expected to beat Dublin, Laois and Antrim, and both Kilkenny and Waterford were well below full strength. Limerick is a huge step up and I think Cahill might be happy with a decent performance. If Limerick are in the mood, which I believe they will be, they should progress to the final with something to spare.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 603 - 24/03/2023 17:30:34    2466336

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Replying To midlands:  "In addition to the loss of the players listed above, Padraic Maher's enforced retirement means Tipp have a very inexperienced line-out. They have done all that was asked of them in the league up to now, but realistically it wasn't a huge achievement to win all five games. They would have been expected to beat Dublin, Laois and Antrim, and both Kilkenny and Waterford were well below full strength. Limerick is a huge step up and I think Cahill might be happy with a decent performance. If Limerick are in the mood, which I believe they will be, they should progress to the final with something to spare."
Accurate and I won't disagree with you before or after the game. It's all about progress for Tipp this year. They'll need to somehow get out of Munster this year

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 26/03/2023 11:39:15    2466631

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Hannon may well go down in time with the likes of mackey and ring. He has changed how a 6 now plays hurling. Has captained his county to more AIs than anyone else and still isn't done. Forever incorrectly overlooked for HOTY nominations. Has had a truly amazing career to date and for me now playing his best hurling. Only time limerick lost since 2018 was v kk when he went off after 20 mins. To do what he does in the manner of class he does it for me puts him on a pedestal with the greatest.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 26/03/2023 14:42:00    2466671

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Replying To daveboy:  "Hannon may well go down in time with the likes of mackey and ring. He has changed how a 6 now plays hurling. Has captained his county to more AIs than anyone else and still isn't done. Forever incorrectly overlooked for HOTY nominations. Has had a truly amazing career to date and for me now playing his best hurling. Only time limerick lost since 2018 was v kk when he went off after 20 mins. To do what he does in the manner of class he does it for me puts him on a pedestal with the greatest."
2019 but fully agree, remember the way some treated him after 2013 was a disgrace but what leader and gentlemen,others stand out more but he is the unsung hero of this team.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 783 - 26/03/2023 15:18:25    2466684

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Accurate and I won't disagree with you before or after the game. It's all about progress for Tipp this year. They'll need to somehow get out of Munster this year"
Was impressed with Tipperary last night but I think they have to win in Ennis first day, which is very hard, losing your first game in Munster puts huge pressure on,hard to pick the three to come out of Munster.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 783 - 26/03/2023 15:20:56    2466685

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Replying To cityman73:  "Was impressed with Tipperary last night but I think they have to win in Ennis first day, which is very hard, losing your first game in Munster puts huge pressure on,hard to pick the three to come out of Munster."
Ya I think if we lose that it leaves us with a lot to do. I think Clare are going to come out again like last year. Of all the teams they had no interest at all in the league

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 26/03/2023 17:00:50    2466766

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Poor Pat Ryan in the spotlight once again. An awful lot of negative media coverage for the young man.

honda15 (Longford) - Posts: 94 - 28/03/2023 15:35:50    2467368

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Replying To honda15:  "Poor Pat Ryan in the spotlight once again. An awful lot of negative media coverage for the young man."
Its not nice indeed. But you do reap what you sow.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2305 - 28/03/2023 17:33:11    2467423

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Replying To daveboy:  "Hannon may well go down in time with the likes of mackey and ring. He has changed how a 6 now plays hurling. Has captained his county to more AIs than anyone else and still isn't done. Forever incorrectly overlooked for HOTY nominations. Has had a truly amazing career to date and for me now playing his best hurling. Only time limerick lost since 2018 was v kk when he went off after 20 mins. To do what he does in the manner of class he does it for me puts him on a pedestal with the greatest."
One of the best interviews i heard from a Limerick player was DODs interview on Newstalk a while back, there was a bit of grit, honesty and truth to it and it was not flowery and polished from the PR Handbook. He was very much self deprecating (i wouldn't agree with him there i think he is exceptional) but he mentioned the same thing about Hannon and could not figure out why he has not been nominated as HOTY, he seemed irked by it. Personally i think Hannon has somehow managed to take his game to an even higher level in the last 2-3 years and he leads his team with heart, humility and determination.

Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 434 - 30/03/2023 12:15:17    2467765

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Replying To Fitzy01:  "One of the best interviews i heard from a Limerick player was DODs interview on Newstalk a while back, there was a bit of grit, honesty and truth to it and it was not flowery and polished from the PR Handbook. He was very much self deprecating (i wouldn't agree with him there i think he is exceptional) but he mentioned the same thing about Hannon and could not figure out why he has not been nominated as HOTY, he seemed irked by it. Personally i think Hannon has somehow managed to take his game to an even higher level in the last 2-3 years and he leads his team with heart, humility and determination."
Brilliant hurler. On a team of Brilliant hurlers.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15669 - 30/03/2023 14:26:48    2467825

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