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All Ireland Club Final, Kilmacud V Glen (Derry)

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Replying To ballydalane: "I don't think that's in the rules!" Ah yeah, I know - I just think it's ridiculous that a whole game has to be replayed for an infringement that happens at the very end of the game. Maybe that particular rule should be changed but I wouldn't hold me breath !!! In relation to the actual rule, one of the options is for a fine to be imposed - how is that decided? In this case, Could Glen object but then the powers-that-be just impose a fine and case closed? dubdec99 (Dublin) - Posts: 186 - 24/01/2023 12:05:21 2453907 Link
Replying To zinny: "I counted 28 players ( but must have been 29) in front of the kicker, did he count the players and say damm I can't do what I wanted to do because there is one too many players in there. The player in question was on the right side of the goal standing on the goal line, Glen went short to the left and their player got off an amazing shot that was close to going in. Now had the Glen 3 got his hand to it to deflect it in he was in the square. The KC player was still on the line at the far side of the goal. Did he influence the decision on any of the Glen players. They had two kicks of the ball and almost scored, if that is interference then it worked against them. Rules were broken however the penalty is dependent on the circumstances. It is very hard to say based on what actually happened that KC gained any advantage based on what actually happened in those 30 seconds." All the Crokes lads would've been in different positions had they had 15 men. 1 would certainly have been where the number 14 was who shouldn't have been on the pitch at all. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16537 - 24/01/2023 12:06:55 2453909 Link
I can't believe anyone is arguing this shouldn't be replayed at minimum. The GAA not taking the lead on this is laughable and pathetic. CCFabu (Donegal) - Posts: 235 - 24/01/2023 12:10:52 2453911 Link
There's a typical Irish Killinaskully response to what's going on. "Ach sure it's only rules and regulations, what do they matter, Glen were bate on the pitch". This is totally ridiculous. As Brolly points out, the matter goes right to the heart of the Association and puts it's integrity into question. If you don't have rules you have anarchy, dishonesty and ridicule. The GAA have the rules to look at this again without asking Glen to make a complaint. There's also a strong perception that the GAA are acting like this because its a powerful Dublin club and that if the boot was on the other foot and Kilmacud were on the receiving end Croke Park would have no hesitation in reopening it. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9824 - 24/01/2023 12:11:16 2453912 Link
Rule 6.44 (b) states that the penalties of forfeiture, replay or fine can only be awarded where there is a proven objection from a team. In that case the onus does fall on the Glen to lodge an appeal/objection and it is in fact out of the GAA's hands until such time. A bizarre rule really but its there in black and white so i suppose thats why the GAA haven't seized the initiative and actually do have to await an objection from the Glen LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 24/01/2023 12:15:37 2453914 Link
Years ago a member of the Kilmacud Crokes management was involved here in Meath with St Peter's Dunboyne when Navan O'Mahonys used an extra sub in a Senior Semifinal. O'Mahonys won the game. St Peter's objected and were awarded the game. Karma on its way it would appear, or are some clubs more important than others? The GAA is now facing an acid test on fairness and I suspect they will bottle it. They had better not. MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1118 - 24/01/2023 12:22:48 2453917 Link
Replying To zinny: "I counted 28 players ( but must have been 29) in front of the kicker, did he count the players and say damm I can't do what I wanted to do because there is one too many players in there. The player in question was on the right side of the goal standing on the goal line, Glen went short to the left and their player got off an amazing shot that was close to going in. Now had the Glen 3 got his hand to it to deflect it in he was in the square. The KC player was still on the line at the far side of the goal. Did he influence the decision on any of the Glen players. They had two kicks of the ball and almost scored, if that is interference then it worked against them. Rules were broken however the penalty is dependent on the circumstances. It is very hard to say based on what actually happened that KC gained any advantage based on what actually happened in those 30 seconds." You can't know that though. A player doesn't have to have a touch of a ball to have an impact. They can be holding a position, that forced GWGs to perceive any path in front of them differently due to defensive structure of KCs. The fact there is a 16th man on, and he's on the line helping that defensive structure, it where it's at. End of. You can't say as the rules don't stipulate time or involvement. It's where we are, and they're wrong. Goals can and do be scored in the last play of a game, and the layout could have been very different in front of the kicker with a player less. Mad you fail to see this Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2480 - 24/01/2023 12:32:29 2453921 Link
Replying To cuchulainn35: "I was very disappointed with RTE's coverage of this debacle on rte radio 1 this morning, Darren Frehill was implying Crokes were the better team…..and ….." Well they did win by 2pts which would imply they were the better team? sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 973 - 24/01/2023 12:36:09 2453922 Link
The Derry county board should refuse to take part in the Nation League until the GAA make a decision themselves without putting the onus on Glen. That would soon sort it Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 24/01/2023 12:39:33 2453923 Link
Rule 6.44 states that an objection is required before the CCCC can investigate the matter and impose any of the three penalties - fine, forfeiture, or replay. Bizarre way of imposing rules really but that is why the GAA have pushed the matter back to the Glen for them to lodge an objection and why they don't seem to have grabbed the initiative as I thought would/should have been the case LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 24/01/2023 12:53:03 2453926 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "Well they did win by 2pts which would imply they were the better team?" They had a bigger team anyway. 16 players....... Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16537 - 24/01/2023 12:53:17 2453928 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "Well they did win by 2pts which would imply they were the better team?" And if Glen got a last moment goal, they'd be discussed that way too. Thems the margins. It's why a replay is needed, as we cannot know what would have happened if it was 15 v 15. Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2480 - 24/01/2023 12:57:44 2453931 Link
Replying To Viking66: "It's not poor officiating. Football is a 15 aside game. It's in the rules. A team with 16 players on the pitch is therefore technically not playing football. And therefore can't win a football game." If they didn't win it this year sure wouldn't they sign David Clifford for next year ... By hook or by crook....or both! totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1113 - 24/01/2023 12:57:48 2453932 Link
Off the Ball really pushing Glen's case and calling out the GAA and even Kilmacud to step up. Interesting point should team chance their arm and leave on the 16th man in the dying seconds when the GAA clearly don't want to get involved? MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1000 - 24/01/2023 13:04:51 2453933 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "There's a typical Irish Killinaskully response to what's going on. "Ach sure it's only rules and regulations, what do they matter, Glen were bate on the pitch". This is totally ridiculous. As Brolly points out, the matter goes right to the heart of the Association and puts it's integrity into question. If you don't have rules you have anarchy, dishonesty and ridicule. The GAA have the rules to look at this again without asking Glen to make a complaint. There's also a strong perception that the GAA are acting like this because its a powerful Dublin club and that if the boot was on the other foot and Kilmacud were on the receiving end Croke Park would have no hesitation in reopening it." Totally agree with the last point. Absolutely no doubt that if it was the other way round the replay would already be scheduled. I dont think Glen will appeal - they seem to be going for the honourable route and taking this on the chin, kudos to them for doing that. However, RULES ARE RULES. There will be an asterix on this all ireland for crokes if there isnt justice, unfortunately tribesman123 (Galway) - Posts: 38 - 24/01/2023 13:09:31 2453935 Link
Replying To dubdec99: "Ah yeah, I know - I just think it's ridiculous that a whole game has to be replayed for an infringement that happens at the very end of the game. Maybe that particular rule should be changed but I wouldn't hold me breath !!! In relation to the actual rule, one of the options is for a fine to be imposed - how is that decided? In this case, Could Glen object but then the powers-that-be just impose a fine and case closed?" Why wouldn't every team try it if it was just a fine they get? achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 584 - 24/01/2023 13:21:24 2453938 Link
Typical copout by the GAA, I think the game should be replayed, why can't teams run these thing right anyway? the game is 15 a side. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3338 - 24/01/2023 13:26:10 2453943 Link
Replying To tribesman123: "Totally agree with the last point. Absolutely no doubt that if it was the other way round the replay would already be scheduled. I dont think Glen will appeal - they seem to be going for the honourable route and taking this on the chin, kudos to them for doing that. However, RULES ARE RULES. There will be an asterix on this all ireland for crokes if there isnt justice, unfortunately" Thers's no kudos in that. They might not get out of Derry again for another few years nevermind Ulster. No good those players thinking in ten years time we really should have appealed that. The galant defeat is far too ingrained in the Irish psyche. I say fight it and most of the country will be behind them. MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1000 - 24/01/2023 13:28:31 2453945 Link
The GAA officials who decides to 'do nothing' are nothing but a crowd of cowards... either there's rules or not but of course this is Ireland... this sort of nonsense goes on in every day in ordinary day life. It's a pity a bit of funding couldn't be withheld or something of the sort... the GAA would be quick to get their house in order then. Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1425 - 24/01/2023 13:30:08 2453948 Link
I know Brolly usually likes to stir it up, but he is spot on in this case. The GAA 's stance on this is pathetic and really paints the authorities in a bad a light. Given their current position , they should republish the rule book and clearly mark which rules are not actually rules and in fact are only suggestions. i.e. we suggest this is how things work but when push comes to shove we'll let ye sort it out among yourselves Don't come near us on these ones unless you have an objection. Also , what other "rules" fall under the "we're not doing anything unless you object category"? Hawkeye2 (Wicklow) - Posts: 162 - 24/01/2023 13:38:17 2453950 Link