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Plenty of blame to go around here. UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 350 - 24/01/2023 10:18:05 2453852 Link 0 |
Basically, in this case, no. According to the Irish Times (Salient points highlighted in bold by me): "Although Glen also announced that it would take some further time "to ascertain our stance going forward," the deadline for any objection is Wednesday, within 72 hours of the match. The rule book is nonetheless clear that the penalties for fielding more players than allowed are imposed "on proven objection". The GAA has made no statement on the matter but is awaiting the decision from Glen. It is believed that the report of referee Derek O'Mahoney has been received with no further light being shed on the controversy. Should the matter be progressed, Croke Park's Central Competitions Control Committee would have access to audio links between the match officials, which would include Glen's contention that they had asked the fourth official to have the 45 at the end of the match retaken. There is a reluctance to launch an investigation as the infraction is clear and obvious with 16 players visible as the last play of the match takes place. Referees' decisions are not disputable when it comes to match outcomes even if a mistake has been made. That was established by the DRA in the matter of Fr Casey's GAA club in Limerick back in 2005. That does not however apply to situations like this, breach of match regulations, when the primary mistake is by the team itself in not making sure that they don't have too many players on the field. As the decision was awaited on Monday there were indications that should an objection be lodged, a rematch will be ordered. It is accordingly up to Glen if they wish to pursue that. They have three days to do so." Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2419 - 24/01/2023 10:28:31 2453858 Link 1 |
G.A.A.[C.C.] should take control and apply the rules, offer a replay if that is what it states is the solution in such situations backtooldwall (Galway) - Posts: 66 - 24/01/2023 10:31:02 2453860 Link 1 |
I was very disappointed with RTE's coverage of this debacle on rte radio 1 this morning, Darren Frehill was implying Crokes were the better team…..and ….. cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1664 - 24/01/2023 10:49:30 2453871 Link 1 |
The referees hand was still up indicating the substitutions were still being made when the Glen player took the F45. Referee should not have allowed the F45 be taken until the substitution was complete. He also could have ordered it to be retaken after. It is poor officiating but this happens in every match and you cant have a replay for every match where an official has made an error.
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 24/01/2023 10:52:52 2453873 Link 0 |
I counted 28 players ( but must have been 29) in front of the kicker, did he count the players and say damm I can't do what I wanted to do because there is one too many players in there. The player in question was on the right side of the goal standing on the goal line, Glen went short to the left and their player got off an amazing shot that was close to going in. Now had the Glen 3 got his hand to it to deflect it in he was in the square. The KC player was still on the line at the far side of the goal. Did he influence the decision on any of the Glen players. They had two kicks of the ball and almost scored, if that is interference then it worked against them. Rules were broken however the penalty is dependent on the circumstances. It is very hard to say based on what actually happened that KC gained any advantage based on what actually happened in those 30 seconds. zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1791 - 24/01/2023 11:03:20 2453877 Link 0 |
After the 2010 Leinster Final fiasco the GAA tried to throw Meath GAA under the bus by saying it would be up to Meath (the perceived sinners) to offer a replay. Now they try to paint Glen (the perceived sinned-against) into a corner by saying they need to request an investigation. If there was consistency then either they should be calling for Crokes to offer a replay or they should have acted upon Louth's protests in 2010 and ordered a replay themselves (or just chalked off that goal as they showed last year with the Hawkeye error that they could change the referee's score during the match). Either way they just absolve themselves of any responsibility. Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 24/01/2023 11:13:18 2453879 Link 1 |
Thanks for that Richieq. Marty Morrissey said on radio this morning that they can investigate it without Glen submitting an appeal. Joe Brolly said the same yesterday . At the very least The CCCC should definitively clarify this.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6029 - 24/01/2023 11:13:57 2453880 Link 0 |
Thanks very much Barney.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6029 - 24/01/2023 11:14:47 2453881 Link 0 |
It looks like GAA dont want to ruffle the Dubs all the subs in the last minute pure gamemanship and desperation from the Cokes highdropingball (Donegal) - Posts: 99 - 24/01/2023 11:45:39 2453889 Link 1 |
Pontius Pilate without the basin
SixtiesKid (Galway) - Posts: 304 - 24/01/2023 11:47:36 2453891 Link 0 |
It dosent matter if the 16th man was on his phone texting he shouldnt be on the field
highdropingball (Donegal) - Posts: 99 - 24/01/2023 11:48:27 2453892 Link 1 |
Well done Admin for allowing such a salient post
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20587 - 24/01/2023 11:52:31 2453894 Link 0 |
Looks that way.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6029 - 24/01/2023 11:53:50 2453895 Link 0 |
Well GAA often get bad press. The Maghera club is called after a Presbyterian named Walter Graham, or "Watty" Graham. GAA clubs in N.I often accused by Southern Loyalists of only naming their clubs after Irish Catholics. There will be an objection and probably a replay. So relax.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2513 - 24/01/2023 11:55:58 2453896 Link 0 |
If their is a replay and as it was no fault of Glen's or Croke's are they going to let supporters in for free. This could be the reason they are slow to react. They know they are responsible so they daren't charge. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1997 - 24/01/2023 11:58:05 2453900 Link 0 |
A joke organisation that is the GAA, constantly pretending to champion the lifeblood of the association, the clubs..... Another example of not giving a fiddlers elbow for clubs. Refusing to request for review from Glen, why not just come out and say object lads cos we are going to continue to ignore the elephant in the room. Shame on croke park, CCC, mc carthy, Ryan, McKenna McGill the whole lot of them yeee are a joke lads , hang your heads in shame, a far cry from the legacy of the likes of Davin, Croke and Hogan left behind him. totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 905 - 24/01/2023 11:58:10 2453901 Link 0 |
Spot on, the GAA need to start making decisions and stop putting in to the hands of the teams involved. The Kilmacud/Glen situation is a clear violation of rules, at the very least it should be investigated without the need for either team to lodge a complaint to instigate one. Wouldn't be at all surprised if the GAA try to throw Kilmacud under the bus by leaving it up to them if they want to offer a replay. 2010 was different in the sense it was just terrible referring to allow the goal, the same way a referee could wrongly award a penalty or wrongly disallow a goal, the referee just got it very wrong. It should have been the catalyst for some kind of of VAR like system, but as you said, the GAA put it on Meath rather than sorting the issues surrounding it themselves. But there's been too many incidents in the last month or so, the O'Byrne Cup now this - the GAA need to step in and just sort it out, and stop trying to shift the responsibility to others. Everyone knows the right decision here is to force a replay at the very least, there's grounds to overturn the result but I don't think that would be fair either as it was clearly an officiating error. hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 182 - 24/01/2023 11:59:34 2453903 Link 0 |
You don't get it, do you Zinny?! The very fact that Crokes had a 16th player on the goal line freed up one of his team mates to mark an extra Glen player. How is that not affecting the play or impacting Glen's ability to get a goal?! Imagine Leinster pushing for a try in added time of the European Cup final against Toulouse, and Toulouse "accidentally" had 16 men on the field! And Toulouse's defence was "ze extra man was on ze other wing, so it doesn't matter". Eh, yeah, but it meant you were freed up to put an extra defender where the action was! Madness! ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 24/01/2023 12:04:04 2453905 Link 2 |
It's not poor officiating. Football is a 15 aside game. It's in the rules. A team with 16 players on the pitch is therefore technically not playing football. And therefore can't win a football game.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11475 - 24/01/2023 12:05:11 2453906 Link 0 |