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All Ireland Club Final, Kilmacud V Glen (Derry)

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Replying To Viking66: "Why should Glen refuse a replay?" No, its up to the to GAA intervene here and please dont leave it to Glen to appeal. A rule was broken, full stop. Nobody can say whether it did or didn't affect the result, Maybe if No. 14 who was beside the GK had left the field as he was supposed to and the player who was nearest to the Glen attacker had moved off the post to protect the centre of the goals, a goal may have been scored. All irrelevant, GAA do your job!! hashtag2017 (Galway) - Posts: 173 - 23/01/2023 17:09:25 2453748 Link
Replying To galwayford: "Lot of tweets about the fact that Kilmacud had 16 players on the pitch for the final 65. If so they are in trouble. I don't know why they made so many subs. What is the ruling on this?" Your last question really cuts to the core of this issue. Is there a ruling on this, or anything in the rulebook ? Is there any precedent with a similer issue ? Where does the 4th official stand in this, I understand its his duty to oversee substitutions (ie. which players are entering/ leaving the field of play) Yellaman (Wexford) - Posts: 112 - 23/01/2023 17:10:36 2453749 Link
I hope it gets replayed and outside of CP. Might be a better game for it You can't be having extra players on the pitch in a tight game, Crokes are obviously a good side with reaching back to back finals, if they want to be considered a very good side they should win it clean. Obviously an accident, it's not a professional sport and silly stuff like this can still happen, but in saying that, it really shouldn't be happening in a tight AI final with everything still to play for. Ulsterman I have to give you credit, you've managed to cherry pick the select few negative posts about Ulster GAA, from the far more excessive posts slagging off Dublin GAA off the back of it all jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 23/01/2023 17:18:58 2453752 Link
If they're going down the route of a replay then just replay from when the 45 was awarded, Kilmacud didn't have any numerical advanatge/infringement prior to then so why replay the whole game? dubdec99 (Dublin) - Posts: 180 - 23/01/2023 17:21:35 2453755 Link
Replying To dubdec99: "If they're going down the route of a replay then just replay from when the 45 was awarded, Kilmacud didn't have any numerical advanatge/infringement prior to then so why replay the whole game?" I don't think that's in the rules! ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 23/01/2023 17:49:04 2453757 Link
Crazy if this goes to a replay. Time for GAA to follow soccers lead on substitutions - old player off the field before new player enters the field. Captainfantastic (Westmeath) - Posts: 44 - 23/01/2023 18:04:54 2453761 Link
GAA passing the buck like they did in 2010 with Meath and Louth FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 23/01/2023 18:06:08 2453762 Link
Well done to Kilmacud Crokes and Shane Walsh on winning the All Ireland. Well deserved after the trauma of last year's robbery by Kilcoo. The Glen must be joking looking for a replay on such flimsy and questionable grounds. Substitutions are the responsibility of the 4th official. They should take their beating like men and resolve to try to win it again next year as Kilmacud had to do after last year's last second defeat up. I thought Crokes made a mistake in playing Paul Mannion from the start after such a long layoff. His presence with Shane Walsh seemed to cause confusion as regards free-taking etc and perhaps resulted in Walsh not performing as well as previous games, although still making huge contribution. FatLadySinging (Galway) - Posts: 88 - 23/01/2023 18:08:54 2453764 Link
Replying To dubdec99: "If they're going down the route of a replay then just replay from when the 45 was awarded, Kilmacud didn't have any numerical advanatge/infringement prior to then so why replay the whole game?" Also who is at fault here should have an impact on the outcome, its the officials that let both sides down really as they didn't observe the correct protocols. The linesman has to raise his flag during a substitution to alert the ref not to continue with play, if his flag was down all involved would have thought the action had taken place and good to go in terms of continuing with the play. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 23/01/2023 18:10:02 2453765 Link
Replying To dubdec99: "If they're going down the route of a replay then just replay from when the 45 was awarded, Kilmacud didn't have any numerical advanatge/infringement prior to then so why replay the whole game?" For the same reason Offaly and Clare didn't just replay the missing 5 minutes in 1998. I think the actual sanction could be a forfeit of the game, but the compromised solution is a replay. After the effort and emotion of yesterday, I'd say neither team would have much appetite for a replay, but that could change in a few days. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2042 - 23/01/2023 18:26:58 2453768 Link
Replying To dubdec99: "If they're going down the route of a replay then just replay from when the 45 was awarded, Kilmacud didn't have any numerical advanatge/infringement prior to then so why replay the whole game?" Because that's not how it works. They broke the rules and should either be fined, games replayed or awared to Glen UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 355 - 23/01/2023 18:31:26 2453769 Link
Replying To dubdec99: "If they're going down the route of a replay then just replay from when the 45 was awarded, Kilmacud didn't have any numerical advanatge/infringement prior to then so why replay the whole game?" Will it be full price to see the retaken 45 or how do you see that working? Passer_By (Carlow) - Posts: 509 - 23/01/2023 18:57:02 2453778 Link
Replying To dubdec99: "If they're going down the route of a replay then just replay from when the 45 was awarded, Kilmacud didn't have any numerical advanatge/infringement prior to then so why replay the whole game?" Unfortunately thats not the way it works. Its either a full replay or not at all. Common sense would suggest the latter , but there may be a precedence issue that needs to be thought through by the GAA. I think Glen have behaved admirably and they should not have to object. The worst outcome here is that the GAA say they will do nothing because Glen did not object. If the GAA think there is no need for a replay ( and im inclined to think thats the case) then come and state the reason why...dont hide behind glen's lack of objection. anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 23/01/2023 18:57:29 2453779 Link
Replying To dubdec99: "If they're going down the route of a replay then just replay from when the 45 was awarded, Kilmacud didn't have any numerical advanatge/infringement prior to then so why replay the whole game?" A game is 70 plus minutes, it was an unfortunate mistake but nowhere in the rules allow one team a numerical advantage like the one Crokes had, even if it was one passage of play; the fact only two points seperated the teams at that stage will probably be considered. Despite what the two clubs think, the GAA will likely carry out their own review; from that a replay has to be a real possibility and will likely be the outcome. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 23/01/2023 19:01:25 2453781 Link
Replying To lorcano: "Sad day for club football." We can't say much with Jack mc Carron going to scotstown. MonaghanBoi (Monaghan) - Posts: 55 - 23/01/2023 19:05:19 2453784 Link
Have to say I seen a photo of the last attack and the extra man definitialy influences the final play, if the man on the line had come of the players would have set up different they'd have filtered back one. There is a photo where you see the two crokes players around the Glen man on the ball so if they'd have filtered back potentially only one would have been around him and his movement/time on the ball would have been different. This needs a response and sorted, I personally don't think glen would seek the replay but a fair response and some sort of punishment Antrimroad (Down) - Posts: 119 - 23/01/2023 19:14:27 2453787 Link
Replying To hashtag2017: "No, its up to the to GAA intervene here and please dont leave it to Glen to appeal. A rule was broken, full stop. Nobody can say whether it did or didn't affect the result, Maybe if No. 14 who was beside the GK had left the field as he was supposed to and the player who was nearest to the Glen attacker had moved off the post to protect the centre of the goals, a goal may have been scored. All irrelevant, GAA do your job!!" I believe that the GAA (CCCC) cannot act until they receive the referee's report. Who'se responsibility is it to ensure that substitutions are completed correctly. There was a rule a couple of years ago that players entered / exited the pitch in a specific location. If it is the fourth official, then he should have stopped 45 until substitution was made ie player substituted was off the pitch. Jack L (None) - Posts: 3099 - 23/01/2023 19:29:10 2453790 Link
I don't think Crokes did anything wrong, they made two legitimate substitutions. The referee should not have allowed the 45 to be taken until the substituted player left the pitch. Officials made an error, it happens. Talk of a replay is silly stuff. bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 23/01/2023 19:51:34 2453797 Link
It is beyond ridiculous that this still happens, particularly in such a big game!. In soccer, the sub is not allowed onto the field by the linesman until the player being replaced comes off at about the same spot. It would be very easy to insist on this process in the GAA but instead we just have an "Ah sure it'll all be grand" attitude towards implementing the rules. The only other sports where I am aware of something like ever happening is in Ice Hockey and American Football and when it happens, the offending team is punished with a too-many-men penalty which can have major consequences. Nobody blames the ref when this happens - everybody recognizes that it is entirely the fault of the management and/or players. The Boston Bruins once lost game 7 of the Stanley Cup Final in overtime after taking a too-many-men penalty when they were a goal up with just over 2 minutes to go. Their coach has never lived it down. Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 996 - 23/01/2023 19:58:42 2453799 Link
One mystery solved. The GAA cannot make a decision unless Glen lodge an objection. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2557 - 23/01/2023 20:03:14 2453803 Link