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All Ireland Club Final, Kilmacud V Glen (Derry)

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Replying To Ulsterman: "Well done Glen. Made a point and kept their dignity and self respect in a wave of partitionist, anti-Northern bigotry from other so called Gaels. This was the right move by withdrawing their appeal. Kilmacud won the game on the pitch but rules were broken. They forced Croke Park to make a decision that should have done over a week ago. Many Glen players weren't happy at making Kilmacud play again, the game was won by the Leinster Champions but the Derry team has been vindicated. Take a bow." What nonsense. 75 % of the support for Glen came from outside your self imposed "partitioned six". Time you copped on, there are actually nine counties in Ulster. ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 498 - 04/02/2023 11:07:56 2456297 Link
Well done to Glen, you can hold your heads high. Kilmacud needed this All-Ireland. Teams who are 2 points up from now on, never panic, just throw on an extra player into your back line. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2289 - 04/02/2023 11:21:25 2456302 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Well put… Ulsterman.. Kilmacud broke the rules on the day ( unwittingly ) but the GAA were prepared to turn a blind eye to it…Fair play to Glen for going out on a limb to prove how poorly the GAA look after their business… Glen had no gripe with Crokes at all and have emerged from this with their heads held high…. As for the GAA … Shame on them" I think it's time for a clear out with the top brass of the GAA. Need people with balls who are prepared to make decisions when rules are broken. Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 04/02/2023 11:39:07 2456309 Link
Replying To Proudroyal: "The rules were broken whether its was officials fault ,Kilmacud's fault or both.Glen made the appeal and their point.Fair play to Glen for letting it go now and we can all move on.Its never easy losing an All Ireland and then too deal with this after must have been tough on them.Also it wasn't easy on Kilmacud players winning it then all that followed will there wont there be a replay?They were the better team on the day and good luck to them enjoy.As for the GAA they should hang their heads in shame.The way they went about their business was insulting to say the least to both teams and really to every Gaa member in the country.Hopefully they will learn from this and make quicker decisions in the future if something like this happens again.I wont hold my breath though." Back in 1998 the GAA top brass had more intelligence than they have now. They ensured the Clare v Offalygame was replayed bruffgael (Limerick) - Posts: 209 - 04/02/2023 11:39:39 2456310 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "Well done Glen. Made a point and kept their dignity and self respect in a wave of partitionist, anti-Northern bigotry from other so called Gaels. This was the right move by withdrawing their appeal. Kilmacud won the game on the pitch but rules were broken. They forced Croke Park to make a decision that should have done over a week ago. Many Glen players weren't happy at making Kilmacud play again, the game was won by the Leinster Champions but the Derry team has been vindicated. Take a bow." Ah now there, I think you are a bit over the top there with "anti-Northern bigotry". From what I have read the vast majority of posters from outside Dublin and quite a few from Dublin agreed that rules were broken and the sanctions recommended varied mainly from awarding the game to Glen to a replay. Those arguments against a replay were based mainly on where it could fit in the calendar. Most also felt that a fine was not sufficient. As for bigotry, I didn't see a hint of bigotry in any of the posts. Glen are a fine club with an excellent team and made their point emphatically. MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1103 - 04/02/2023 11:43:18 2456312 Link
The Gaa top brass got the outcome they wanted and they didn't have to put themselves out in the slightest. Shameful spineless farcical carry on from them. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2308 - 04/02/2023 11:45:25 2456315 Link
Great respect for Glen, they won a lot more than medals. suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1732 - 04/02/2023 12:00:56 2456316 Link
Wrong decision from Glen not to see it through imo. SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 163 - 04/02/2023 12:01:15 2456318 Link
Replying To MillerX: "Ah now there, I think you are a bit over the top there with "anti-Northern bigotry". From what I have read the vast majority of posters from outside Dublin and quite a few from Dublin agreed that rules were broken and the sanctions recommended varied mainly from awarding the game to Glen to a replay. Those arguments against a replay were based mainly on where it could fit in the calendar. Most also felt that a fine was not sufficient. As for bigotry, I didn't see a hint of bigotry in any of the posts. Glen are a fine club with an excellent team and made their point emphatically." To be fair most of the comment on Hoganstand was measured. Yes people had strong opinions but there was very little abuse of Glen because of where they're from. Twitter and other social media outlets were a different kettle of fish. Some of the stuff was poisonous and wouldn't have looked out of place on English/Tory far right sites. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9817 - 04/02/2023 12:03:30 2456319 Link
Replying To Saynothing: "Well done to Glen, you can hold your heads high. Kilmacud needed this All-Ireland. Teams who are 2 points up from now on, never panic, just throw on an extra player into your back line." If a team deliberately does that they'll forfeit the game and rightfully so. Glen were entitled to object under the rules. Kilmacud were entitled to appeal under the rules. Glen should have continued with the process. They either felt they deserved a replay/forfeit or they didn't. Their change of heart is disappointing imo. They should have allowed Kilmacud their right to appeal. Pulling the plug now is poor form and was a mistake for me. They started the process by not accepting the result, as is their right, but they should've followed it through. Maybe they weren't all on board with their original decision perhaps. It's a mess. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 04/02/2023 12:13:28 2456320 Link
Replying To bruffgael: "Back in 1998 the GAA top brass had more intelligence than they have now. They ensured the Clare v Offalygame was replayed" Yes indeed, 1998 controversy was a semi final meaning that Offaly would qualify for the final if Clare refused to replay the game. Kilmacud Crokes we're presented with the cup, had their celebrations and were reluctant to replay the final. Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 604 - 04/02/2023 12:21:51 2456324 Link
will it be declared null and void now no winners highdropingball (Donegal) - Posts: 111 - 04/02/2023 12:30:35 2456326 Link
Replying To Bon: "The Gaa top brass got the outcome they wanted and they didn't have to put themselves out in the slightest. Shameful spineless farcical carry on from them." Spot on Bon Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15675 - 04/02/2023 12:34:54 2456327 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "The "many" you mention wouldn't give Dublin or K.C any credit under any circumstances so really from Kilmacud's point of view they are irrelevant" I was supporting Crokes in the game. They were the Leinster team. I've numerous friends in Dublin. Maybe more friends from Dublin than most of them have themselves! Yes Crokes are an excellent club whose members have worked very hard to make the club what it is today. But if you think playing with 16 men on the pitch is OK you are only a clown and not representative of Dublin people at all. People like you are why there is an anti Dublin sentiment in the 1st place. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15675 - 04/02/2023 12:41:16 2456332 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "Well done Glen. Made a point and kept their dignity and self respect in a wave of partitionist, anti-Northern bigotry from other so called Gaels. This was the right move by withdrawing their appeal. Kilmacud won the game on the pitch but rules were broken. They forced Croke Park to make a decision that should have done over a week ago. Many Glen players weren't happy at making Kilmacud play again, the game was won by the Leinster Champions but the Derry team has been vindicated. Take a bow." Ulsterman, it's not always them and us, as people have said, Glen had 90% of the support from all over Ireland. It was about right and wrong. Anyways it's over now. Kilcoo still champions. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2289 - 04/02/2023 12:42:42 2456333 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "To be fair most of the comment on Hoganstand was measured. Yes people had strong opinions but there was very little abuse of Glen because of where they're from. Twitter and other social media outlets were a different kettle of fish. Some of the stuff was poisonous and wouldn't have looked out of place on English/Tory far right sites." Why do you bother with Twitter? I never had a Twitter account, FB, Instagram or any of them and I still don't have enough time to keep up with my real friends who I have actually met numerous times in person! Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15675 - 04/02/2023 12:44:04 2456336 Link
Replying To MesAmis: "If a team deliberately does that they'll forfeit the game and rightfully so. Glen were entitled to object under the rules. Kilmacud were entitled to appeal under the rules. Glen should have continued with the process. They either felt they deserved a replay/forfeit or they didn't. Their change of heart is disappointing imo. They should have allowed Kilmacud their right to appeal. Pulling the plug now is poor form and was a mistake for me. They started the process by not accepting the result, as is their right, but they should've followed it through. Maybe they weren't all on board with their original decision perhaps. It's a mess." You're reading it totally wrong. Glen DIDN'T feel they deserved a replay. Most of the players accepted the game was lost on the pitch and wanted to leave it there. However rules were broken, not intentionally by Kilmacud, but they had to be followed or the Association would have been a joke. When the GAA hierarchy sat on their ae and looked the other way someone had to take initiative and that unfairly and shamefully was left to Glen. They've now been vindicated and made their point. They deserve all the praise and plaudits going. Ulsterman (Antrim)** - Posts: 9817 - 04/02/2023 12:49:37 2456339 Link
So, Glen have pulled out of the process. The reasons for this, I have no idea but obviously Glen Club discussed and decided not to continue. People patting Glen on the back for their stance. Of course they had a right to pursue their case and they did so, and Crokes exercised their right also. That is the current system, slow that it may be but that is the system currently in vogue. Some think that Crokes are not the legitimate champions. I think that is a farcical standpoint. They won the match. Is the trophy and win tainted - Not in my view. Were mistakes made on the day - yes, was this intentional - no is my view. Time to move on and see what did we learn or what should change if anything to ensure we don't have a repeat. That is important. I think that the referees plus officials will insist on players leaving the field before a sub is allowed on. carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1875 - 04/02/2023 12:54:39 2456342 Link
Replying To points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet: "Glen have withdrawn their appeal." They shouldn't have initiated one in the first place. Jack L (None) - Posts: 3149 - 04/02/2023 13:05:58 2456345 Link
Replying To WanPintWin: "I agree that Glen made their point and were right to do so. However, you might be over-egging the 'wave of partionist' stuff just a bit. A quick read through this thread will show you that the vast majority have supported Glen on this issue. If any club has gotten abuse on here, it has been Kilmacud. Likewise in most media. Off the Ball for example, were very strong in their arguments for Glen to get a replay and suggested that Kilmacud had pulled a fast one. You seem to be type of person who'll look for the one or two dissenting voices from a group and paint it as the majority view." Far more positive waves were sent to Glen compared to the opposite They've had been blessed to have gotten a second chance at a game they deserved to lose. A gallant effort though against a much fancied Crokes team, but I don't believe the hype around Crokes. They weren't good enough last year and once again didn't perform very well this year in the final. Glen now can dust themselves down and go again. Valuable lessons need to be learned here and the appropriate measures taken to avoid this nonsense in the future jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 04/02/2023 13:15:40 2456346 Link