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All Ireland Club Final, Kilmacud V Glen (Derry)

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Replying To galwayfball:  "Now Philly McMahon multiple All Ireland winner is jumping on the blame Glen brigade.

Joke Glen are literally the only ones not at fault. I believe it was genuine errors by Crokes and the officials but going after Glen is a disgrace."
Saw that and thought the exact same thing.. if Glen had won in those circumstances I very much doubt he would going after Kilmacud. Glen only pointing out the GAA's inexplicable inaction which arose from Kilmacud's mistake.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 28/01/2023 15:36:17    2454754

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "So ever time a sub comes on the ref has to do a head count. It was a crokes error and they should pay the price."
Well that is the stupidest comment yet on this issue

Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 255 - 28/01/2023 16:26:30    2454766

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No head count needed,ref and linesman just make sure player being replaced actually leaves the field of play..ref adds time for all subs,might stop the stupidity of fellas being brought on in the final minute or two of matches..watched the dubs/Kildare,never before did I see where substitutions were watched so carefully..looks like the mistake from last week has made a huge difference already..let's hope now that those rules will be implemented for every match..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2215 - 28/01/2023 18:40:03    2454786

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Replying To SimonstownBack:  "Yes if need. Its part of his job. But thats why the 4th official is there too. The 45 should have been retaken. There is precedence for this. Mayo had 16 players on the pitch v Dublin at a critical point of that match. They missed the 45. Ref ordered a retake due to the extra man so Mayo were actually rewarded for having an extra man. Not sure what would have happened if they scored it the 1st time so we will never know. So imo yes its a referee error just like so many other referee errors. I believe the uproar is due in part to people not wanting to see superclubs do well, especially after the Shane Walsh transfer & also because its a Dublin club. I don't believe for 1 minute if Glen had won, this would be an issue. Again, my opinion."
The referee in the Mayo v Dublin got it wrong. Mayo had 16 men on the field in violation of the rule. The play should have continued with a kick-out taken as the ball had gone wide. If the ball had not gone wide Dublin should have been awarded a free kick when the infraction was brought to the referee's attention.
If a score resulted while the scoring team had 16 players on the pitch then the score should be disallowed and a free out awarded.

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 749 - 28/01/2023 19:10:23    2454791

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Replying To Gaa Fan:  "The referee in the Mayo v Dublin got it wrong. Mayo had 16 men on the field in violation of the rule. The play should have continued with a kick-out taken as the ball had gone wide. If the ball had not gone wide Dublin should have been awarded a free kick when the infraction was brought to the referee's attention.
If a score resulted while the scoring team had 16 players on the pitch then the score should be disallowed and a free out awarded."
So why didn't Dublin contest the game?

SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 143 - 28/01/2023 19:58:20    2454797

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Just after watching the clip of that game. The referee let mayo retake the 45 because McMahon walked across the ball before the 45 was taken. Philly obviously choose to forget about this going by his article in today's paper

Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 255 - 28/01/2023 20:00:17    2454798

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Replying To SimonstownBack:  "So why didn't Dublin contest the game?"
Too much class, and were also probably notified privately that the game was over, move on.
As for the post regarding McMahon walking across the field this is a cop out. The referee allowed the play to continue, and a free to be taken, with 16 Mayo men on the field. He should not have allowed play to continue until McMahon left the pitch and obviously was unaware that too many players were on the field. When he was made aware that Mayo had too many players on the pitch Dublin should have been awarded a free kick.
Personally I feel errors by made by officials, EXCLUDING announcing/reporting the incorrect score, during a game, if not corrected IMMEDIATELY, cannot and should not be corrected later.

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 749 - 28/01/2023 20:30:57    2454805

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Replying To Gaa Fan:  "Too much class, and were also probably notified privately that the game was over, move on.
As for the post regarding McMahon walking across the field this is a cop out. The referee allowed the play to continue, and a free to be taken, with 16 Mayo men on the field. He should not have allowed play to continue until McMahon left the pitch and obviously was unaware that too many players were on the field. When he was made aware that Mayo had too many players on the pitch Dublin should have been awarded a free kick.
Personally I feel errors by made by officials, EXCLUDING announcing/reporting the incorrect score, during a game, if not corrected IMMEDIATELY, cannot and should not be corrected later."
Would that include the Shane Walsh point awarded (and rightly so ) at hall time ?

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2013 - 28/01/2023 20:53:49    2454811

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I understand what you are saying but at the same time you can't have 16 men on the field, if this is let go then what happens the next time? It's a mess and it's made worse by dragging it out.
I think the refs should not restart play till the substitutions are completed, just stop the watch and add on whatever extra time is needed.
I think the way the women's game is timed is far better, stops the oul craic too of refs blowing up a tight game when it's level, but maybe that would lose the suits some big paydays for replays."
Or just one simple question. What happens the next time when the 16th man dives and stops the ball from going into the net ? Now do we want a new rule there is no infringement as long as the 16th man does nor interfere with play. ABSURD.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 28/01/2023 20:56:12    2454812

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Replying To Viking66:  "It definitely is a joke anyone blaming Glen. The lads had 16 men on the pitch in a 15 a side game. Firstly that's management's fault. Secondly the officials for not stopping the game and ordering the extra man off. And then thirdly the GAAs fault that we are still discussing it nearly a week on."
Real unbiased stuff from the eloquent McMahon....

totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 916 - 28/01/2023 20:58:36    2454814

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Replying To Gaa Fan:  "Too much class, and were also probably notified privately that the game was over, move on.
As for the post regarding McMahon walking across the field this is a cop out. The referee allowed the play to continue, and a free to be taken, with 16 Mayo men on the field. He should not have allowed play to continue until McMahon left the pitch and obviously was unaware that too many players were on the field. When he was made aware that Mayo had too many players on the pitch Dublin should have been awarded a free kick.
Personally I feel errors by made by officials, EXCLUDING announcing/reporting the incorrect score, during a game, if not corrected IMMEDIATELY, cannot and should not be corrected later."
Interesting point there about not correcting errors made during the game. Might help to include that in the rules, like in other sports:

Soccer, Law 5.2: [...] The referee may not change a restart decision on realising that it is incorrect or on the advice of another match official if play has restarted or the referee has signalled the end of the first or second half (including extra time) and left the field of play or abandoned the match. [Followed by the exception for a review, i.e. VAR.]

Snooker, Section 3, Rule 7(c):
If a stroke is made with a ball or balls not correctly spotted, they shall be considered correctly spotted for subsequent strokes. Any colour incorrectly missing from the table shall be spotted:
(i) without penalty when discovered if missing due to previous oversight, provided the frame has not already ended under the terms of Section 2 Rule 1 and play shall continue from the resulting position;
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(ii) subject to penalty if the striker played before the referee was able to complete the spotting.

So if a mistake was made, meh, get over it. That ship has sailed.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1030 - 28/01/2023 20:59:48    2454816

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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "Interesting point there about not correcting errors made during the game. Might help to include that in the rules, like in other sports:

Soccer, Law 5.2: [...
The referee may not change a restart decision on realising that it is incorrect or on the advice of another match official if play has restarted or the referee has signalled the end of the first or second half (including extra time) and left the field of play or abandoned the match. [Followed by the exception for a review, i.e. VAR.]

Snooker, Section 3, Rule 7(c):
If a stroke is made with a ball or balls not correctly spotted, they shall be considered correctly spotted for subsequent strokes. Any colour incorrectly missing from the table shall be spotted:
(i) without penalty when discovered if missing due to previous oversight, provided the frame has not already ended under the terms of Section 2 Rule 1 and play shall continue from the resulting position;
or
(ii) subject to penalty if the striker played before the referee was able to complete the spotting.

So if a mistake was made, meh, get over it. That ship has sailed."]I agree.
Mistakes are made by officials in all sports, fouls and ones that should have resulted in penalties, are missed. You cannot award a free for an incident prior to (in GAA games) the current possession.

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 749 - 28/01/2023 21:14:34    2454821

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Apparently the CCCC will "hold a hearing with both clubs in an effort to find a resolution to the ongoing saga". Croke Park running away from making a decision. For Gods sake make the decision and move on.

IsMise (Tyrone) - Posts: 119 - 28/01/2023 21:37:48    2454832

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Replying To IsMise:  "Apparently the CCCC will "hold a hearing with both clubs in an effort to find a resolution to the ongoing saga". Croke Park running away from making a decision. For Gods sake make the decision and move on."
Perhaps if they bring the clubs together there might be a sensible solution. One that reflects the feelings of both rather than driven by click bait hysteria and rants from the sidelines,

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2556 - 29/01/2023 10:01:18    2454863

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Replying To SimonstownBack:  "So why didn't Dublin contest the game?"
Same reason most teams don't object to results even where there has been an incident or mistake that may have affected the result. They took it on chin and moved on.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2556 - 29/01/2023 10:03:53    2454864

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Hope we have a sensible outcome and whatevervdecisiin is made bith teams accept it and move on. I'm sure many of us here remember the bizarre league quarter final or semi final in 1987 between Cork and Dublin. Game ended in a draw and Cork wanted repay. Gaa ordered extra time. Cork headed off to the train and Dublin went on the field
Ref threw in ball and Dublin scored a goal with no Cork player on pitch. Result stood.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 29/01/2023 12:10:49    2454900

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Hope we have a sensible outcome and whatevervdecisiin is made bith teams accept it and move on. I'm sure many of us here remember the bizarre league quarter final or semi final in 1987 between Cork and Dublin. Game ended in a draw and Cork wanted repay. Gaa ordered extra time. Cork headed off to the train and Dublin went on the field
Ref threw in ball and Dublin scored a goal with no Cork player on pitch. Result stood."
Was at that! Strange ending to the game. Often wondered what would have happened had Barney missed the goal :-)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2556 - 29/01/2023 12:15:53    2454903

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Hope we have a sensible outcome and whatevervdecisiin is made bith teams accept it and move on. I'm sure many of us here remember the bizarre league quarter final or semi final in 1987 between Cork and Dublin. Game ended in a draw and Cork wanted repay. Gaa ordered extra time. Cork headed off to the train and Dublin went on the field
Ref threw in ball and Dublin scored a goal with no Cork player on pitch. Result stood."
That game bears no relation to this one Mick.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 29/01/2023 12:21:38    2454908

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Perhaps if they bring the clubs together there might be a sensible solution. One that reflects the feelings of both rather than driven by click bait hysteria and rants from the sidelines,"
A sensible solution from the GAA! That would be something! It's usually a copout, probably a KC fine on this occasion and no admittance of responsibility on the part of the officials. A situation that could have been easily remedied on the day has become a total mess and no matter the outcome neither club will be happy with it.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1795 - 29/01/2023 12:50:43    2454914

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Replying To IsMise:  "Apparently the CCCC will "hold a hearing with both clubs in an effort to find a resolution to the ongoing saga". Croke Park running away from making a decision. For Gods sake make the decision and move on."
They'll hear both sides and make a decision. What happens after that decision is made will be interesting.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 29/01/2023 13:02:27    2454919

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