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Replying To Thejampot: "The officials didn't break the rules. They just didn't do their job right and again they are to blame as in a lot of other games. They can make all the **** up's and give numerous bad decisions with out any consequences. Both clubs will be looked upon in bad way by some people after all this when it is the fault of the the officials AGAIN" 100% right in what you say.
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 27/01/2023 12:29:49
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Replying To anotheralias: "Nothing to do with it being a dublin club. Just normal fairness." I don't think Mick meant 'it being a Dublin club'
More that it was Kilmacud specifically. Which I think is a fair enough point.
If roles were reversed in this scenario I don't think anyone would care that Glen had had 16/17 players for one play of the game to be honest.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 27/01/2023 12:33:53
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Replying To Past hurler: "It's tainted now for Crokes, if they keep the cup nobody will respect them as All Ireland club winners, people don't anyway.
Big asterisk beside Crokes win forevermore , so if they keep the cup they will be a seen as as the team who cheated to win an All Ireland.
Glen just wanted to highlight both the cheating of Kilmacud and also the inept GAA head honcho's.
I've a feeling the Glen will let Kilmacud keep their tainted All Ireland." No, not at all tainted for Crokes. But tainted in your eyes and in the eyes of people who dont like Crokes. But I'd say they'll be quite fine with that!
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 27/01/2023 12:42:10
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "You and others would like to think that this is devaluing Crokes win. It is not. This nonsense that the mess about the subs won the game for them by their cheating is pathetic. And most of this parroting it know that well.
And like Username, I would be by no means a big fan of the Crokes. My own club would be pretty much at other end of scale and when we beat them years ago on way to a junior hurling final it was big day. Lots of Dubs on the anti Crokes wagon too, and for same irrelevant reasons in most cases." Many Dublin people appear to have a persecution complex i.e. a belief that every one is out to get them.
This is not the case. Its true that there are not many non-Dubs who would say Dublin are their second favourite team , but thats only to be expected given the resources they have.
But most genuine football followers enjoy the quality and style of Dublin football.
My initial reaction to the AI final was that the result should stand. However upon reviewing the footage several times, I revised my opinion believe there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that a replay is the right call. I do accept that is is extremely extremely unlikely that the extra man made any difference whatsover, but thats not the point. The majority of people on this forum and on other fora and media also believe that a replay is the correct option.
This is not an anti Dublin thing , its just common sense.
If I were Crokes now, I would be deciding when is the best time for them to replay the game ( in terms of players holidays etc...) , then go to Croke Park and say that they agree to a replay ...but only on this date.
I think then that Glen would have to agree to that date . I think it would be a fair compromise that Crokes get the priority call on the date of replay.
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I'd like to see the referees report and how he explained how he let 16/17 players on the field as he restarted play after the substitutions.
But then we never see referees reports the onus is always put on either team.
Typical Top Brass performance.
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 27/01/2023 12:58:18
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Replying To Saynothing: "GAA is an amateur sport but the people running it as so called professionals. They are paid to make decisions so they should make them. Croke's giving back the cup doesn't cut it, that's saying, here's the cup but we are still champions. GAA, officials and Croke's are making a mockery and a laughing stock of the whole thing. Make a decision and tell the clubs not ask." I'm not congratulating the GAA... sarcasm is obviously lost on you...
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 844 - 27/01/2023 13:14:24
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Replying To anotheralias: "Many Dublin people appear to have a persecution complex i.e. a belief that every one is out to get them.
This is not the case. Its true that there are not many non-Dubs who would say Dublin are their second favourite team , but thats only to be expected given the resources they have.
But most genuine football followers enjoy the quality and style of Dublin football.
My initial reaction to the AI final was that the result should stand. However upon reviewing the footage several times, I revised my opinion believe there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that a replay is the right call. I do accept that is is extremely extremely unlikely that the extra man made any difference whatsover, but thats not the point. The majority of people on this forum and on other fora and media also believe that a replay is the correct option.
This is not an anti Dublin thing , its just common sense.
If I were Crokes now, I would be deciding when is the best time for them to replay the game ( in terms of players holidays etc...) , then go to Croke Park and say that they agree to a replay ...but only on this date.
I think then that Glen would have to agree to that date . I think it would be a fair compromise that Crokes get the priority call on the date of replay." How can you say you say it's extremely extremely unlikely that the extra man made a difference then a line later say it's common sense that there is a replay.
If the extra man made no difference it's game over ball burst and let everyone move on to feck.
TheGreatRambo (Monaghan) - Posts: 79 - 27/01/2023 13:46:22
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Replying To Canuck: "The GAA have no problem reviewing other incidents and taking action against a player ? Not surprised though. They couldn't make or apply rules for a game of hide and go seek. The Aidan McCarthy fiasko that was never applied the same again and a whole slue of rules started, drooped, never enforced or laced with loop holes that could be exploited by a six year old." What was the Aidan McCarthy thing?
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1030 - 27/01/2023 13:57:13
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Replying To StopTheLights: "If Glen scored a goal in the dying seconds would they have lodged an objection to winning due to Kilmacud having 16 players on the field?
They're only interested in being fair after all.
Thank god we have Northern teams looking out for the integrity of our game." Well obviously not. Why would you object against yourself? Is it even allowed? And anyway, if you still beat a team with an illegal numerical advantage, isn't that justice?
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1030 - 27/01/2023 13:57:49
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Replying To Hawkeye2: "I know Brolly usually likes to stir it up, but he is spot on in this case. The GAA 's stance on this is pathetic and really paints the authorities in a bad a light. Given their current position , they should republish the rule book and clearly mark which rules are not actually rules and in fact are only suggestions. i.e. we suggest this is how things work but when push comes to shove we'll let ye sort it out among yourselves Don't come near us on these ones unless you have an objection.
Also , what other "rules" fall under the "we're not doing anything unless you object category"?" The rule that says you can hand-pass a goal of you're in possession and you hit the deck. Explicitly allowed, but goals get ruled out for it. I've been harping on about it for years.
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1030 - 27/01/2023 13:58:19
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Replying To Breffni1969: "I'd like to see the referees report and how he explained how he let 16/17 players on the field as he restarted play after the substitutions.
But then we never see referees reports the onus is always put on either team.
Typical Top Brass performance." Yea, the ref resumed play as the sub, number 19 was making his way down to 14 to tell him he was subbed.. Naturally, the sub just in turned towards play and 14 continued playing oblivious to it all!
I can't believe it's got so far! To say a replay is being considered is mad. What could Crokes have done to avoid the situation? The officials mucked up.
Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 27/01/2023 13:59:19
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Replying To Saynothing: "GAA is an amateur sport but the people running it as so called professionals. They are paid to make decisions so they should make them. Croke's giving back the cup doesn't cut it, that's saying, here's the cup but we are still champions. GAA, officials and Croke's are making a mockery and a laughing stock of the whole thing. Make a decision and tell the clubs not ask." Tell the clubs what? Of course Crokes have the option of giving back the cup whether it "cuts" with YOU or not.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 683 - 27/01/2023 14:04:21
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Replying To Breffni1969: "I'd like to see the referees report and how he explained how he let 16/17 players on the field as he restarted play after the substitutions.
But then we never see referees reports the onus is always put on either team.
Typical Top Brass performance." From reports earlier in the week, the referee made no references to this, therefore the CCCC could not investigate. The referee's report is submitted to Croke Park (or county/provisional councils as applicable) If there is anything noted in the report which requires investigation, it is the role of the CCCC to investigate.
Jack L (None) - Posts: 3099 - 27/01/2023 14:10:41
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Replying To anotheralias: "Many Dublin people appear to have a persecution complex i.e. a belief that every one is out to get them.
This is not the case. Its true that there are not many non-Dubs who would say Dublin are their second favourite team , but thats only to be expected given the resources they have.
But most genuine football followers enjoy the quality and style of Dublin football.
My initial reaction to the AI final was that the result should stand. However upon reviewing the footage several times, I revised my opinion believe there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that a replay is the right call. I do accept that is is extremely extremely unlikely that the extra man made any difference whatsover, but thats not the point. The majority of people on this forum and on other fora and media also believe that a replay is the correct option.
This is not an anti Dublin thing , its just common sense.
If I were Crokes now, I would be deciding when is the best time for them to replay the game ( in terms of players holidays etc...) , then go to Croke Park and say that they agree to a replay ...but only on this date.
I think then that Glen would have to agree to that date . I think it would be a fair compromise that Crokes get the priority call on the date of replay." I don't think there is anything anti-Dub about this but more anti-Kilmacud Crokes. Anti-big super club more than anything.
There wouldn't be any appetite for a replay had the roles been reversed and Glen had won imo.
I really hate Crokes am looking forward immensely to them being stripped of this title which seems like it'll be the most likely outcome at this stage.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 27/01/2023 14:11:05
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Replying To Pikeman96: "@Viking - So the committee in charge could have conducted an inquiry into it without Glen objecting ?
I don't know. Just had a quick look to try see under what circumstances the committee in charge can hold an inquiry, but didn't find anything. Anyway, the other rule still looks clearcut:
An Objection to the award of a Game may be made on behalf of a Team that participated in the Game concerned by the relevant Secretary. An objection may not be made otherwise by a member or any third party.
Am inclined to speculate the committee in charge could maybe hold an inquiry into there being 16 or 17 men on the field. But appropriate punishment for that (and that alone) would probably be a relatively small fine. Otherwise there's precedent set whereby any match could be ordered to be replayed if one lad was a bit slow going off the field while a sub was more eager to get on.
But that other rule seems clearcut that a third party (like the committee in charge) can't do anything about the award of the game. It's up to the team that participated to start that process." Seems a bit crazy that if a team objects they can be awarded the game, but if the committee in charge investigates, the non-offenders can't be awarded the game. I wonder what the logic there was...
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1030 - 27/01/2023 14:15:36
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Replying To Yourjoking: "It was in the Irish Independent, it's since been taken down.
It referenced glen as a northern Irish gaelic team, its all over twitter." All over Twitter? Got any links? Or have all those tweets been deleted too?
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1030 - 27/01/2023 14:18:09
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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma: "What was the Aidan McCarthy thing?" The Clare lad who fouled a Tipp lad along side the Ennis Road down in Limerick and the ref gave a penalty and sent Mccarthy to the line for 10 mins. Probably the strangest thing ever witnessed on a hurling field..
Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 27/01/2023 14:24:03
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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma: "What was the Aidan McCarthy thing?" A black card and a penalty awarded for a foul that was nearly in the seats beside the pitch.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11864 - 27/01/2023 14:27:20
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Replying To SimonstownBack: "In the still i saw where you can clearly see the extra player crokes had on the pitch there are 2 Glen's players in the small rectangle when the free is taken. If somehow they'd have scored a goal am i right in thinking it would be disallowed as the play was from a 45?" Eh? Sorry, never heard of this rule...
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1030 - 27/01/2023 14:38:15
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Replying To MesAmis: "I don't think Mick meant 'it being a Dublin club'
More that it was Kilmacud specifically. Which I think is a fair enough point.
If roles were reversed in this scenario I don't think anyone would care that Glen had had 16/17 players for one play of the game to be honest." Yes Mesamis I just meant Kilmacud because of the Shane Walsh transfer. I felt alot of people had a grudge against them. Not because they are a Dublin club. For the record I'm not KC man either. I'm a member of a nirthside club. Thanks Mesamis.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 27/01/2023 14:39:46
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