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I'd be inclined if in Crokes shoes to not to take part in a replay, And I don't imagine Glen would be broken hearted if that was the case. They might not even tog out themselves if they feel that their point has been made.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2518 - 26/01/2023 17:13:34 2454453 Link 5 |
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Most posters seem to be in favour of a replay and maybe they are right but I wonder if it was any other club bar Kilmacud would the sentiments be the same.I have sensed a lot of bad feeling towards KC since the Shane Walsh transfer and many Dubs I know were hoping they would nt win the all Ireland .Not all but a lot all the same.I suppose it is fair to say they wouldn t have won nor even been in the final without the Galwayman but the facts are He is a Kc player now.Regardless of all that a serious error was made and the gaa did nt help with their silence.I got the feeling that Glen seemed to have a change of heart re an objection when they realised the majority seemed to be behind them.Of course I might be completely wrong but that's my feeling on it anyway.Hope its sorted quickly though ! CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3673 - 26/01/2023 17:23:01 2454455 Link 3 |
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The way subs are made at the minute is sub on and then other player off. Another reason to change this is what would happen if sub was made and the player going off started a row with someone. who would ref book or even sent off. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2005 - 26/01/2023 17:33:40 2454459 Link 0 |
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There you go, I thought Crokes controlled the game pretty much from the Glen goal onward, bar a few moments of ascendency in momentum from Glen which you expect, but mostly Crokes capitolised when they were in the acendencey for the majority, not saying they were out of sight, but never really felt they weren't in control of it or the result was in danger of getting away once they had their noses in front. I was surprised they were so composed to be honest. To qualify my comments on this I wouldn't be a Crokes man, so have no skin in the game. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 26/01/2023 17:47:18 2454460 Link 1 |
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It's tainted now for Crokes, if they keep the cup nobody will respect them as All Ireland club winners, people don't anyway. Big asterisk beside Crokes win forevermore , so if they keep the cup they will be a seen as as the team who cheated to win an All Ireland. Glen just wanted to highlight both the cheating of Kilmacud and also the inept GAA head honcho's. I've a feeling the Glen will let Kilmacud keep their tainted All Ireland. Past hurler (None) - Posts: 712 - 26/01/2023 19:21:26 2454468 Link 2 |
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Nothing to do with it being a dublin club. Just normal fairness.
anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 839 - 26/01/2023 20:10:13 2454471 Link 2 |
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"Glen seemed to have a change of heart re an objection when they realised the majority seemed to be behind them." Glen never had a change of heart. They said nothing, and were waiting for the GAA to intervene. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2446 - 26/01/2023 20:20:49 2454473 Link 1 |
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So simple but so logical. Substitutions during normal playing time. If by some unfortunate circumstance a player get injured or it is faked during extra time the ref can push the little button on his watch that stops time. No gain for gamesmanship.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 26/01/2023 20:26:19 2454474 Link 0 |
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What nonsense. The ifficials didn't break the rules, Kilmacud did. Replay is only option.
seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 295 - 26/01/2023 21:00:51 2454476 Link 1 |
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Thanks for replying Mick, the odd thing is his name is off the posters list, I mean, why would that happen?
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8584 - 26/01/2023 21:12:39 2454479 Link 0 |
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The ultimate blame for the mix-up rests with the referee. His not supposed to re-start the game until he sees the substituted player leave the playing field. This is part of his duties. The next biggest offender in this instance is the GAA officers in Croke Park. This incident should have been addressed publicly on Monday in a statement by the President. Waiting and hoping the occurrence would somehow vanish only made it worse. Now we must wait and see procedure has been handled or mishandled by the offended club. Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 749 - 26/01/2023 21:28:29 2454480 Link 1 |
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Some details here: https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dunboyne-lodge-objection-over-navans-extra-sub-25967165.html I always blamed one of the O'Mahonys bottle men for this. The game finished in acrimonious circumstances following an incident with him on the terrace side. I think after that dunboyne we're always going to appeal if there was a chance. Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 26/01/2023 21:33:40 2454481 Link 0 |
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I have nt a clue. It's the same on the Kerry forum. His name is gone and he just disappeared and no one seems to know anything.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3673 - 27/01/2023 10:09:58 2454496 Link 0 |
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I see Crokes are now saying that they'd rather give back the cup then replay the game. Obviously they are entitled to object but what a mess. Well done the GAA. Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 844 - 27/01/2023 10:21:44 2454498 Link 1 |
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Funny. The officials are the only people who can stop and start a game. They also have a responsibility to enforce the rule, how that is applied to substitutes is - the lineman raises his flag while a player is entering coming on and as a player has left the pitch - he lowers it when said layer has entered the field of play and player being taken off has left the field of play this didn't happen and the linesman made an oversight. The referee is also handed a slip when a player comes on telling him what player and number is entering the field of play and what player and number is to leave the field of play, the referee has the responsibility to ensure that happens before play can be restarted so that didn't happen either, so a gaff was made there. With good will im sure the ref wanted to resume play quickly as Crokes were making substitutions to eat up time, but he made mistake in haste. So there very much is fault to lay at the door of the officials as stake holders in this and really both teams were let down by officials on the day. There was nothing intentional by any of the key stake holders, Glen wanted to take a quick 45 understandably, the ref wanted to give them that chance but did in haste, that impacted Crokes ability to co-ordinate the substitution and here we are. Both teams are victims in my opinion, but victims of good intentions. Both clubs have strong arguments. But whole process is unfortunate. Its Crokes title though in my eyes, regardless of what happens next. Knowing what i know id be amazed if they consent to replay the game. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 27/01/2023 10:46:33 2454508 Link 3 |
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The officials didn't break the rules. They just didn't do their job right and again they are to blame as in a lot of other games. They can make all the **** up's and give numerous bad decisions with out any consequences. Both clubs will be looked upon in bad way by some people after all this when it is the fault of the the officials AGAIN
Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 255 - 27/01/2023 11:00:51 2454515 Link 0 |
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An extra man objection also happened in 2016 in Longford SFC. See link. Game ended with Killoe beating Longford Slashers by 1-9 to 2-5 but was replayed after Slashers objected to 16th Killoe man on the field at the end of the game. Slashers then beat Killoe in the replay. They met again in the Quarter Finals a few weeks later and Killoe won to put Slashers out of the Championship. Mullinalaghta then beat the then champions Killoe and went on to win their first title since 1950, and the rest as they say.....
LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 467 - 27/01/2023 11:24:58 2454521 Link 3 |
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GAA is an amateur sport but the people running it as so called professionals. They are paid to make decisions so they should make them. Croke's giving back the cup doesn't cut it, that's saying, here's the cup but we are still champions. GAA, officials and Croke's are making a mockery and a laughing stock of the whole thing. Make a decision and tell the clubs not ask.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2005 - 27/01/2023 11:47:58 2454526 Link 0 |
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The officials did break the rules because are regards substitutes they can only come on when there is a break in play and play can only restart when the ref or linesman is satisfied the substitution has taken place.
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 27/01/2023 11:59:14 2454528 Link 1 |
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You and others would like to think that this is devaluing Crokes win. It is not. This nonsense that the mess about the subs won the game for them by their cheating is pathetic. And most of this parroting it know that well. And like Username, I would be by no means a big fan of the Crokes. My own club would be pretty much at other end of scale and when we beat them years ago on way to a junior hurling final it was big day. Lots of Dubs on the anti Crokes wagon too, and for same irrelevant reasons in most cases. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2518 - 27/01/2023 12:13:39 2454533 Link 5 |