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That's a good idea. Mightn't be workable if it's not picked up on the field at the time (although I believe it was), but imagine if the standard punishment was, say, a 13-metre free regardless of where the ball was when the infringement was spotted, and/or a suspension for the extra player who was notified he had to go off but failed to.
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1030 - 25/01/2023 21:28:11 2454324 Link 0 |
Well, hypothetically speaking (cos it's not gonna happen), the only conditions that need to be worried about are that the same 30 players who should have been on the pitch are on the pitch, that yellow and black cards incurred still stand, that the time elapsed is the same, and the score of course. And I guess if it were to resume in Croke Park, that they're playing into the same end as before. Obviously you're not gonna have a field of lads knackered after running around for 60 minutes plus change, but the only conditions of concern are the technical ones.
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1030 - 25/01/2023 21:42:21 2454325 Link 0 |
Underrated!!!
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1030 - 25/01/2023 21:45:19 2454326 Link 0 |
They refused to review it and would only accept an objection....this went out live on tv, tg4 are an independent broadcaster to both teams, a precedent has been set with the Al semi final when tv pictures corrected an error at half time re Shane Walsh 45.....what is the difference??????
totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 916 - 25/01/2023 21:49:31 2454327 Link 0 |
It was in the Independent this morning, I read it too, but it seems to have been taken down. There were 2 articles up & now only 1.
BorderlineBlue (Monaghan) - Posts: 10 - 25/01/2023 21:50:04 2454328 Link 0 |
I don't think anyone is going to engage with you seriously on this one. You may give it rest.
Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 25/01/2023 22:00:45 2454330 Link 4 |
Shocking state of affairs really. The level of incompetence at an All Ireland final, ya just couldn't credit it. And a David v Goliath game, hopefully Glen win the replay friedporridge (Leitrim) - Posts: 23 - 26/01/2023 08:40:50 2454332 Link 1 |
I do find some of the comments on here about the GPS thing hilarious. It was poor sportsmanship but what outrage did you want? It was an act designed to put Rock off, not aimed at the man or putting anyone in danger or perhaps causing injury. As someone who always praised Gavin and that Dublin team can you give me an example of the purposely selective condemnation? Of course Keegan was a boyo, but every team needs one. Cooper and McMahon did far, far worse than toss a GPS in someones eyeline but they were still praised for their will to win.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7895 - 26/01/2023 09:20:21 2454336 Link 1 |
The difference is that a mistake on the filed can be changed during the match if it is drawn to attention of officials, either on the field or via Hawkeye, third official. Had the Galway score not been changed and had Derry won by a point then it would have been basis for an appeal. The Crokes subs were either not noticed, nor the proper action taken if they were, Hence the objection, and hence the reference in the rule to objections. If there was no reference or scope for objections then there would be no recourse in most cases. PS. I did apologise to Ulsterman, although I did not sling mud! BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2557 - 26/01/2023 09:39:17 2454340 Link 0 |
I think to say Crokes did nothing wrong is a bit strong. So they used the opportunity to make substitutions to slow the play down when Glen were pushing for a winner. Not illegal by any manner or means, cynical maybe, but perfectly legal and WITHIN THE RULES. But if you are doing something cynical WITHIN THE RULES then you need to ABIDE BY THE RULES i.e. take a player off when you bring one on. So I say if you live by the rules , you die by the rules, and in this case they will , correctly, pay the price of a replay. I thing Glen had no choice but to object and I think it's extremely unfair to criticise them. In any case when they game is played again if Kilmacud are good enough they will win it and they will have won the AI without it having a tarnish or an asterisk against it. If they are not good enough and Glen win, then fair play to them too. anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 26/01/2023 09:43:13 2454341 Link 1 |
It was not incompetence, it was just an exciting finish. With no VAR to sort it out. Give the officials a break and stop abuse of Refs please.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 26/01/2023 09:58:19 2454344 Link 0 |
"did you expect them to have a player walk off the pitch in the middle of the attack." Yes. Yes. If you bring a player on then you bring a player off. Simple. That's the reason why teams don't normally make a substitution when the other team is on the attack. "He was not interfering with play" So you are saying that you have to touch the ball to interfere with play. He was standing on the goal line. So the goalkeeper and the other player on the goal line were not interfering with play either? I guarantee you if none of those three players were on the goal line then the ball would not have gone wide. anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 26/01/2023 10:09:11 2454347 Link 2 |
What I am stating is that the referee had his hand in the air to signal the substitution. Glen should have waited until substitution which they are obliged to as the referee had his hand in the air. The indication came from sideline official and the substitution was called over PA system. Play should not have continued until player had left the field. As play was continuing the player could not leave the pitch as he was in a defensive position. Once play had stopped ie ball gone wide, the player in question proceeded to leave the pitch. The referee seen him walking off and did not allow resulting kickout to be taken until he had left the pitch. If a score had come of the 45, chances is that it would be disallowed as the referee was not ready for the kick to be taken. As no score resulted from the 45, then he allowed play to continue as as the case with most quickly taken frees. Jack L (None) - Posts: 3099 - 26/01/2023 10:59:23 2454354 Link 0 |
As you say, one position leads to another when there is one less player. The sub that came on was on the edge of the square and he came running out with his hands up when the attacker took his shot. The man who shouldn't have been there was guarding the goal line. As I said before, if Croke's had have won by the penalty that never was a penalty would people be talking about that.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2014 - 26/01/2023 11:07:24 2454357 Link 1 |
Exactly. It's like arguing a goalkeeper in a penalty shootout isn't interfering with play, when the penalty taker kicks it wide.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2042 - 26/01/2023 11:15:37 2454360 Link 3 |
Quite the obsession some have with Brolly. He really boils some people... Anyway, yes, he has run with this. But this was all over the place before he took it up and ran with it
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 26/01/2023 11:27:53 2454364 Link 0 |
Glen have to take responsibility? For wanting to take a placed ball with the clock running out? They're not in control of the oppositions substitutions, or the officials. Jeez, I've seen some takes, but this one right here...
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 26/01/2023 11:30:07 2454366 Link 0 |
This seemed to only come up after the game, when we saw the view from behind from TG4. I don't think it was apparent at the time. But it is a big ask alright, how can we honestly do TV reviews properly? Think the easiest solution is the best, no player enters the field, until the other leaves a la soccer. And allow 30 seconds properly per sub, not the wishy washy time added on we have now. Even with everything on Sunday, ref didn't allow enough time.
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 26/01/2023 11:33:24 2454368 Link 1 |
The referee had his hand up signaling a substitution. Play should have stopped. End of. I know time was not on their side. But f play stops for the substitution, the referee ads on time. The purpose of the late substitution was to delay time (blatantly) but this happens all the time. Nothing new here. The referee's hand up was to allow the substitution to take place properly, is new player enter field and substituted player to leave the pitch. By taking quick free, this did not allow the player to leave the pitch.
Jack L (None) - Posts: 3099 - 26/01/2023 11:49:23 2454371 Link 0 |
I have an idea. sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 26/01/2023 11:54:45 2454372 Link 0 |