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All Ireland Club Final, Kilmacud V Glen (Derry)

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Mayo had 16 players on the pitch vs Dublin in the 2021 championship match. Mayo even got to retake a missed F45 because of this transgression on their part. They scored it. This point was a ditect result of having that extra player on the pitch. But yet there wasnt a single word on here or anywhere in media about a replay, no outrage from Joe Brolly or the newstalk click bait merchants.. and to Dublins credit they didnt object after the match or cry outrage in the media.

Its clear there is a lot of bitterness towards Dublin GAA in general and towards Crokes in this case for non sporting reasons. Crokes won the All Ireland. Get over it.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 25/01/2023 19:04:07    2454288

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "Glen tried to take a quick 45. The refs arm was still up as the substitutions were still in progress. The rule breaking was by the Glens player taking the 45 too quickly. Talk of a replay is madness."
The 17th lad was leaving the pitch. The 16th wasn't. Maybe there are specsavers over there?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11799 - 25/01/2023 19:04:39    2454289

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Kilmacud with all their umlimited resources could not keep just 15 players on the pitch ?

The GAA, with all their unlimited resources, could not rustle up a proper pitch for a final ?

It is like the Benny Hill show.

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 25/01/2023 19:06:45    2454290

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Replying To LilywhiteGael:  "If the integrity of all GAA competitive games is to be preserved then a replay is necessary.
This is not the first time Croke Park have reneged on their duty to show leadership and uphold the rules of the Association. It's a disgrace that Watty Grahams are being put in this position."
Exactly but Croke Park will in all probability fine Crokes and leave it at that.

cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 454 - 25/01/2023 19:18:19    2454292

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Was it a woman from Mayo that ignored you or is there some other reason you are like this?"
More than likely he got a bowl of soup in Westport that wasn't up to his high standards.

cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 454 - 25/01/2023 19:22:44    2454294

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Mayo or any team from the county not involved but Donegal and Tyrone fans cant help themselves but make it about us. Ye might need to seek professional help for this before it's to late.

cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 454 - 25/01/2023 19:28:59    2454295

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Replying To jimbodub:  "It was an act of pure desperation from Keegan.

No doubting a terrible example of sportsmanship. As a Dub you have to get use to the purposely selective condemnation aimed in the direction of the capital.. there's a prejudiced natural bias but feck sake.. the lack of justified noise surrounding that incident confirmed so much for me about the wider GAA community and the purposely selective amnesia when it suits.

You'd have to wonder what was going through his head wouldn't you.. yes more than like likely just pure desperation with realising that a lot of emotional hurt was probably coming his way once again.

He was an excellent baller but he was also a bit of a boyo.

He tried his guts out in every possible way for Mayo.. good and very much dodgy. I think Horan had it driven into them to do whatever it takes to win.. he changed the Mayo nice guy mindset quite a lot during his time.

Mayo were incredible rivals though.. incredibly competitive games and AI finals that will go down in GAA lore, well definitely even more if Mayo would have won, because Dublin did I wouldn't be surprised if that selective amnesia played it's part, it's just the way of things but thankfully there's the likes of yourself."
Have you amnesia about diarmaid connolly, philly mcmahon, jonny Cooper, the small brothers etc etc?? Think before you write

lusciousleitrim (Leitrim) - Posts: 7 - 25/01/2023 19:32:08    2454297

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Replying To Viking66:  "The rules were drawn up back in a time when there was more honesty in society. Less lawyers involved in every facet of life."
Viking I have no doubt you are right but it is about time the GAA got some brain power to deal with today's situations. When the NHL take action against a player or team there is no options for using legal power to wriggle out and money is in abundance there. Refereeing mistakes are very seldom reversed and appeals mostly unheard of. The risk of a failed appeal carries heavier punishment and this is a deterrent. The odd time a hearing is given the results are not public to be thrashed. Social media can blabber all they want but their opinion does not bother the people who run the show.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 25/01/2023 20:07:52    2454299

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Crokes did nothing wrong.. they brought on a sub, the Derry player took the free before substitution was completed, referee should have blown the whistle to stop play, he didn't, ball went wide .
Nobody made any issue on the field there and then our after, Joe Brolly got on his horse and started and here we are...
Kilmacud won't be playing any replay .. if the Derry lads want the cup that bad I'm sure once kilmacud are finished celebrating they'll send it up..

Belclare (Galway) - Posts: 904 - 25/01/2023 20:23:17    2454301

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "Thank you Canuck I wouldn't make stuff like that up. I think Croke Park letting this run has stoked up some bad blood. It should never have been about geography, North/South. It should not be about Kilmacud or Glen as individual clubs. It should be the rules and the right thing to do. I don't care where the 2 teams are from. It's like Mary Kate Danaher in the Quiet Man. Her brother wouldn't give her the 300 quid dowry but when he finally did she threw it into the fire. It was never about the money. Likewise if Glen got a replay they should tog out, wait until the ball is thrown in, turn around congratulate the Kilmacud players and walk off, point proven."
I'd never sling mud at you Ulsterman, NEVER!!! :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8589 - 25/01/2023 20:34:57    2454304

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Replying To jimbodub:  "It was an act of pure desperation from Keegan.

No doubting a terrible example of sportsmanship. As a Dub you have to get use to the purposely selective condemnation aimed in the direction of the capital.. there's a prejudiced natural bias but feck sake.. the lack of justified noise surrounding that incident confirmed so much for me about the wider GAA community and the purposely selective amnesia when it suits.

You'd have to wonder what was going through his head wouldn't you.. yes more than like likely just pure desperation with realising that a lot of emotional hurt was probably coming his way once again.

He was an excellent baller but he was also a bit of a boyo.

He tried his guts out in every possible way for Mayo.. good and very much dodgy. I think Horan had it driven into them to do whatever it takes to win.. he changed the Mayo nice guy mindset quite a lot during his time.

Mayo were incredible rivals though.. incredibly competitive games and AI finals that will go down in GAA lore, well definitely even more if Mayo would have won, because Dublin did I wouldn't be surprised if that selective amnesia played it's part, it's just the way of things but thankfully there's the likes of yourself."
Are we allowed ask what happened to Kingdomboy1? I think it's only fair that we know why his name doesn't even appear on the list.
Is everything alright with him or was he ejected?

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8589 - 25/01/2023 20:40:45    2454306

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "Glen tried to take a quick 45. The refs arm was still up as the substitutions were still in progress. The rule breaking was by the Glens player taking the 45 too quickly. Talk of a replay is madness."
Exactly. Glen has to take some responsibility here. By taking the quick 45 when the referee had his hand up they prevented the substitution from taking place. Crokes were defending a 45 so did you expect them to have a player walk off the pitch in the middle of the attack.
While the offending player was on the goal line, the kick actually went wide. He was not interferring with play.
As referee had his hand up, the sub was entitled to enter the field. If the Glen player has to obey the referee's hand signal, the offending player would have time to leave the field.

Jack L (None) - Posts: 3099 - 25/01/2023 20:43:18    2454307

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You have to ask yourself what exactly is the point of linesmen? Umpires have more input and say in any game and they are not even qualified! Yet the linesmen/women are qualified refs and one of their duties is managing substitutions. There is no excuse for what happened at all. It is unfortunately an amateur sport with poor officiating and even worse rules. Looking forward to the endless cycle of appeals around this game.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 25/01/2023 20:56:34    2454314

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I am sure that Watty Graham's players could well do without this. Derry probably playing this weekend and need their players back. But if they didn't appeal this they would have allowed the flaunting of a rule which would have opened the flood gates for the months ahead. I think the only outcome at this stage would be to declare the result null and void and leave it at that. Strip Kilmacud of the title. Let the league go ahead. End off.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 25/01/2023 21:01:10    2454315

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Replying To dubdec99:  "If they're going down the route of a replay then just replay from when the 45 was awarded, Kilmacud didn't have any numerical advanatge/infringement prior to then so why replay the whole game?"
That's actually interesting. This happened to the England Under-19 Women's team against Norway in 2015. They were 2-1 down, awarded a penalty deep into stoppage time, the goal was ruled out because of encroachment but play was incorrectly restarted with a Norway free out instead of the English penalty being retaken, cos them's the rules. UEFA ordered the last minute or so of the game to be replayed, beginning with the penalty retake.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 25/01/2023 21:04:32    2454316

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "Glen tried to take a quick 45. The refs arm was still up as the substitutions were still in progress. The rule breaking was by the Glens player taking the 45 too quickly. Talk of a replay is madness."
What a daft post, there is no rule breaking by taking a quick free,but having 16 players involved in play at any time of the game is cheating

germac (Down) - Posts: 534 - 25/01/2023 21:06:58    2454318

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Replying To Mike_Clitoris69:  "Nonsense post. Crokes should have the awareness to know that when they bring on a sub they take a player off. They broke the rules and need to face the repercussions. The player been substituted should have made it his business to remove himself from the play."
Spot on post , thats it in a nutshell

germac (Down) - Posts: 534 - 25/01/2023 21:18:22    2454320

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Replying To FatLadySinging:  "Well done to Kilmacud Crokes and Shane Walsh on winning the All Ireland. Well deserved after the trauma of last year's robbery by Kilcoo. The Glen must be joking looking for a replay on such flimsy and questionable grounds. Substitutions are the responsibility of the 4th official. They should take their beating like men and resolve to try to win it again next year as Kilmacud had to do after last year's last second defeat up. I thought Crokes made a mistake in playing Paul Mannion from the start after such a long layoff. His presence with Shane Walsh seemed to cause confusion as regards free-taking etc and perhaps resulted in Walsh not performing as well as previous games, although still making huge contribution."
Ah yes, the old "they should take it like men" argument, I'm surprised it didn't pop up sooner. Sure so what that the opposition defended a goal with 16 men, or so what if some lad who got two yellows got substituted and not sent off, or so what if the ref blew it up 5 minutes early right as someone was being fouled in the box or whatever. Sure them oul rules do be just gettin in the way of lads who want to play football. "They should take their beating like men". Why don't we just throw the rulebook out the window and replace games of football with skills competitions, and a panel of judges can vote on which is the better team. That would get rid of them oul rules once and for all.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 25/01/2023 21:18:25    2454321

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "I don't think Crokes did anything wrong, they made two legitimate substitutions. The referee should not have allowed the 45 to be taken until the substituted player left the pitch. Officials made an error, it happens. Talk of a replay is silly stuff."
Wrong. With that logic, officials could totally ruin a game like blow it up early, or give a lad two yellows and let him stay on, or fail to record a score, etc etc, and we'd all have to just accept it. Really.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 25/01/2023 21:21:59    2454322

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I know this might be a big ask but , 1- is there anyway officials could use TV replays for major calls like Croke's penalty on Sunday? It was a very close call and at speed you need a few looks to know for sure. All in all the replay will make up for the penalty mistake as well. There are two or three simple things the ref can do in all games to help. Another is marking the spot for frees with foam, nothing as bad as men stealing yards especially to widen the angle.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2010 - 25/01/2023 21:26:31    2454323

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