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World Cup Final Clashes With Club Semi Finals

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Well I wouldnt expect you to agree with me anyway! We all know that for a sizeable percentage of northern gaels soccer is still a foreign game and if the ban could be brought back a lot of ye would want it! So yeah, I'd say up north more of the younger age group will prioritize the club semi finals ahead of the World Cup final than will happen in the rest of the country."
I'd be a few decades shy of the age categories you mentioned and I'll be watching Ballygunner vs Ballyhale. I always have the remote control, if I need to throw a quick eye on the soccer score.
In fairness, this is a GAA forum so it's hardly surprising that a decent proportion will favour a potentially cracking hurling match over the World Cup final.
As I mentioned already, our own county footballers played a championship match the same time as the last World Cup final.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2319 - 12/12/2022 12:16:23    2450171

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "I'd be a few decades shy of the age categories you mentioned and I'll be watching Ballygunner vs Ballyhale. I always have the remote control, if I need to throw a quick eye on the soccer score.
In fairness, this is a GAA forum so it's hardly surprising that a decent proportion will favour a potentially cracking hurling match over the World Cup final.
As I mentioned already, our own county footballers played a championship match the same time as the last World Cup final."
I will be watching the hurling and not just because of age or the fact a Waterford club are involved. I would also be interested in the soccer and would definitely watch it if not clashing. The difference for me if I could not watch the hurling live I would watch a replay of it. If knowing the result of the soccer, never. It is one thing watching paint drying live but not going to watch the ball going backwards for 90% of an hour and a half after the fact.
The GAA should be taking every opportunity to promote our games and have them in the shop window every chance possible. This was an opportunity missed and unnecessarily. Some times it is unavoidable but in this instance a little creativity with the time and weekend could have avoided this clash.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3039 - 12/12/2022 14:17:51    2450196

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Replying To Canuck:  "I will be watching the hurling and not just because of age or the fact a Waterford club are involved. I would also be interested in the soccer and would definitely watch it if not clashing. The difference for me if I could not watch the hurling live I would watch a replay of it. If knowing the result of the soccer, never. It is one thing watching paint drying live but not going to watch the ball going backwards for 90% of an hour and a half after the fact.
The GAA should be taking every opportunity to promote our games and have them in the shop window every chance possible. This was an opportunity missed and unnecessarily. Some times it is unavoidable but in this instance a little creativity with the time and weekend could have avoided this clash."
I agree with your sentiments there. I don't like when the GAA move games once a clash with a major outside fixture is pointed out. But yes a bit of though beforehand should go into planning not to have these clashes. A 1.30 or 2pm throw in should have been originally set with the reason for the early throw in given to prevent fans travelling late on icy roads.

I'll be watching niether as I've a long booked trip to visit Santa Claus - and neither FIFA or the GAA will move their games to accomodate.

brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 437 - 13/12/2022 09:24:38    2450261

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Replying To brianb:  "I agree with your sentiments there. I don't like when the GAA move games once a clash with a major outside fixture is pointed out. But yes a bit of though beforehand should go into planning not to have these clashes. A 1.30 or 2pm throw in should have been originally set with the reason for the early throw in given to prevent fans travelling late on icy roads.

I'll be watching niether as I've a long booked trip to visit Santa Claus - and neither FIFA or the GAA will move their games to accomodate."
Good for you and if you have little kiddies they will remember your trip long after any of these sporting events.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3039 - 13/12/2022 13:35:25    2450308

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Replying To Canuck:  "Good for you and if you have little kiddies they will remember your trip long after any of these sporting events."
You think that the GAA ought to be using every opportunity to showcase our games but elsewhere are proposing to further diminish the inter county season. You are contradicting yourself.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3520 - 13/12/2022 14:17:55    2450315

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "You think that the GAA ought to be using every opportunity to showcase our games but elsewhere are proposing to further diminish the inter county season. You are contradicting yourself."
Barry Grant what I purpose is not diminishing the inter county season. In fact it is enhancing it with more teams competing at a higher level. The championship would be starting at the same time as the current league. Showing casing our games involves more than playing. The more watch the games either going to them or on t.v. the more money is generated from advertising etc. to invest in playing by kids and adults.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3039 - 16/12/2022 14:40:46    2450560

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Replying To Canuck:  "Barry Grant what I purpose is not diminishing the inter county season. In fact it is enhancing it with more teams competing at a higher level. The championship would be starting at the same time as the current league. Showing casing our games involves more than playing. The more watch the games either going to them or on t.v. the more money is generated from advertising etc. to invest in playing by kids and adults."
I see where you are coming from, but I think reducing inter county season to a few months is going to have a counter effect in terms of attracting people, especially kids and others who are watchng other sports on TV.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3520 - 16/12/2022 15:44:39    2450569

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I see where you are coming from, but I think reducing inter county season to a few months is going to have a counter effect in terms of attracting people, especially kids and others who are watchng other sports on TV."
I see your point, my point would be that because they shortened the inter county season means less build up, less talk, less paper back pages, less everything but maybe 10 games on the one weekend. How could anyone have time to take in and enjoy watching games if there coming at you in droves. Good championship games get talked about for weeks , and the lead up the same, instead now it's, move along , next.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2291 - 16/12/2022 16:31:15    2450572

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I see where you are coming from, but I think reducing inter county season to a few months is going to have a counter effect in terms of attracting people, especially kids and others who are watchng other sports on TV."
Barney not sure if my proposal was on this thread but involves the same length of season as present which is basically 9 months from club to inter county but with a three month shut down. In it all 10 teams in the premier are competing for semis, quarters, relegation and the first division promotion as well as a meaningful cup. I cannot see too many dead rubbers and the so called weaker teams getting a chance to play top teams. The immediate effect I believe is these traditionally weaker teams would start to pick off the chasers.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3039 - 16/12/2022 16:45:13    2450573

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I see where you are coming from, but I think reducing inter county season to a few months is going to have a counter effect in terms of attracting people, especially kids and others who are watchng other sports on TV."
If you want the intercounty season to be spread out over a longer period then you will have to get managers to release players back to their clubs for club championships between intercounty games. Or get clubs to play club championship games without their intercounty players. Neither option seems to be acceptable.
At the same time most of the kids at our club aren't with the club because of intercounty games. They are there because their parents bring them and they want to go because their friends go. Our kids are u11 or younger. They enjoy going down to the club the few evenings a week. I bring them to around a dozen or so adult intercounty games and a few underage ones also but while they enjoy the trip away and the day out they don't watch too much of the actual games. Tbh they enjoyed going to the club championship games the last couple of years just as much or more than the intercounty ones.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 16/12/2022 18:53:00    2450579

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I see where you are coming from, but I think reducing inter county season to a few months is going to have a counter effect in terms of attracting people, especially kids and others who are watchng other sports on TV."
If you want the intercounty season to be spread out over a longer period then you will have to get managers to release players back to their clubs for club championships between intercounty games. Or get clubs to play club championship games without their intercounty players. Neither option seems to be acceptable.
At the same time most of the kids at our club aren't with the club because of intercounty games. They are there because their parents bring them and they want to go because their friends go. Our kids are u11 or younger. They enjoy going down to the club the few evenings a week. I bring them to around a dozen or so adult intercounty games and a few underage ones also every year but while they enjoy the trip away and the day out they don't watch too much of the actual games. Tbh they enjoyed going to the club championship games the last couple of years just as much or more than the intercounty ones.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 16/12/2022 18:53:45    2450580

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Former Kilkenny hurler from the 2000s decade here.

Absolutely ridiculous having this match clash with the WC final, the biggest sporting event on earth. Unfortunately we still have narrow minded people in the organisation. This type of rubbish won't cut with younger people. It's really early 1900s ban mentality.

People from both clubs would much prefer an earlier start and to be getting home in daylight. Realistically the match shouldn't be in Croke Park at all. It was usually the reserve of All Ireland Club finals. Dragging people from the South east up to Croke Park the Sunday before Christmas is just mind numbingly stupid.

CC2020 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 173 - 17/12/2022 20:34:20    2450628

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Replying To CC2020:  "Former Kilkenny hurler from the 2000s decade here.

Absolutely ridiculous having this match clash with the WC final, the biggest sporting event on earth. Unfortunately we still have narrow minded people in the organisation. This type of rubbish won't cut with younger people. It's really early 1900s ban mentality.

People from both clubs would much prefer an earlier start and to be getting home in daylight. Realistically the match shouldn't be in Croke Park at all. It was usually the reserve of All Ireland Club finals. Dragging people from the South east up to Croke Park the Sunday before Christmas is just mind numbingly stupid."
Mayo people had to head East for a minor match and head East again for their senior team the next day.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2291 - 17/12/2022 21:31:23    2450632

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Replying To CC2020:  "Former Kilkenny hurler from the 2000s decade here.

Absolutely ridiculous having this match clash with the WC final, the biggest sporting event on earth. Unfortunately we still have narrow minded people in the organisation. This type of rubbish won't cut with younger people. It's really early 1900s ban mentality.

People from both clubs would much prefer an earlier start and to be getting home in daylight. Realistically the match shouldn't be in Croke Park at all. It was usually the reserve of All Ireland Club finals. Dragging people from the South east up to Croke Park the Sunday before Christmas is just mind numbingly stupid."
There would be no GAA were it not for the "narrow minded people" who founded it. And you be posting your santy letter into a red post box.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3520 - 18/12/2022 09:52:51    2450638

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "There would be no GAA were it not for the "narrow minded people" who founded it. And you be posting your santy letter into a red post box."
The lad has a good point though BarneyGrant. The crowd will be lost in Croke Park. More would probably have gone if it had been in Dr Cullen Park and there would have been a better atmosphere. Tbh even Semple Stadium or PUC would have been handier for the fans.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 18/12/2022 10:58:44    2450645

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Replying To Viking66:  "The lad has a good point though BarneyGrant. The crowd will be lost in Croke Park. More would probably have gone if it had been in Dr Cullen Park and there would have been a better atmosphere. Tbh even Semple Stadium or PUC would have been handier for the fans."
I wasn't referring to having the match in Croke Park rather than a more convenient ground. That's common sense. I was talking about moving the game so that people can watch the world cup. No other sports do that. There is even racing in Thurles today, as well as umpteen other things going on. Maybe 20% of population will watch WC and a lot of them would watch anything once it doesn't involve them moving much or engaging their brain :-)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3520 - 18/12/2022 11:18:34    2450648

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I wasn't referring to having the match in Croke Park rather than a more convenient ground. That's common sense. I was talking about moving the game so that people can watch the world cup. No other sports do that. There is even racing in Thurles today, as well as umpteen other things going on. Maybe 20% of population will watch WC and a lot of them would watch anything once it doesn't involve them moving much or engaging their brain :-)"
Ah I get you now. Unless the lad is togging out for Ballyhale he could watch the wc on his mobile at the hurling game?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 18/12/2022 11:28:10    2450651

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I wasn't referring to having the match in Croke Park rather than a more convenient ground. That's common sense. I was talking about moving the game so that people can watch the world cup. No other sports do that. There is even racing in Thurles today, as well as umpteen other things going on. Maybe 20% of population will watch WC and a lot of them would watch anything once it doesn't involve them moving much or engaging their brain :-)"
You're correct about other sports clashing with the World Cup final. There'll be well more than 20% of the population watching the World Cup Final. It is quite simply the biggest game in team sports anywhere in the world. I'll be watching it and my brain will be fully engaged. I'll record the hurling and watch it later.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 18/12/2022 11:36:22    2450652

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Replying To CC2020:  "Former Kilkenny hurler from the 2000s decade here.

Absolutely ridiculous having this match clash with the WC final, the biggest sporting event on earth. Unfortunately we still have narrow minded people in the organisation. This type of rubbish won't cut with younger people. It's really early 1900s ban mentality.

People from both clubs would much prefer an earlier start and to be getting home in daylight. Realistically the match shouldn't be in Croke Park at all. It was usually the reserve of All Ireland Club finals. Dragging people from the South east up to Croke Park the Sunday before Christmas is just mind numbingly stupid."
A lot of good points there. It is unfortunate the WC and the hurling semi finals overlap. The decision is made now, and a lot of us will have to do a bit of channel hopping. There is always the option of the RTÉ player. Maybe playing the BS v Ballygunner game in Thurles would be a better venue from a travel consideration
The Dunlop v Thomas's match at a Leinster venue was an option, other than CP. This is just an afterthought. Hope to catch all the action.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 18/12/2022 12:17:41    2450654

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Replying To CC2020:  "Former Kilkenny hurler from the 2000s decade here.

Absolutely ridiculous having this match clash with the WC final, the biggest sporting event on earth. Unfortunately we still have narrow minded people in the organisation. This type of rubbish won't cut with younger people. It's really early 1900s ban mentality.

People from both clubs would much prefer an earlier start and to be getting home in daylight. Realistically the match shouldn't be in Croke Park at all. It was usually the reserve of All Ireland Club finals. Dragging people from the South east up to Croke Park the Sunday before Christmas is just mind numbingly stupid."
A lot of good points there. It is unfortunate the WC and the hurling semi finals overlap. The decision is made now, and a lot of us will have to do a bit of channel hopping. There is always the option of the RTÉ player. Maybe playing the BS v Ballygunner game in Thurles would be a better venue from a travel consideration
The Dunlop v Thomas's match at a Leinster venue was an option, other than CP. This is just an afterthought. Hope to catch all the action.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 18/12/2022 12:18:03    2450655

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