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Wexford Clubs In The Leinster Club Hurling Championship

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The above chatter all shows why Wexford aren't successful. Everyone pulling in different directions, everyone wanting something different and all rowing a different boat. Agendas, hurling v football, club v county v intercounty, and so on.
County with an identity crisis.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1337 - 16/11/2022 13:12:05    2447763

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Just as an aside, I thought it was interesting that the Underdogs gave Oulart a bit of a match! Was that maybe a warning sign that was ignored?

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3520 - 16/11/2022 13:14:33    2447767

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Replying To Viking66:  "The way it has been going at underage in most of those clubs it's disrespectful to say football clubs when talking about Castletown, Gusserane, Horeswood, Kilanerin etc. All have made great efforts at hurling underage without the benefit of having many top level hurlers and former hurlers being members of the clubs to mentor the youngsters. And all have improved at adult level as a result. They are proper dual clubs with dual players."
I didnt say football clubs though, I said more football orientated which is the case in every single one of those clubs, no?

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1498 - 16/11/2022 13:23:23    2447769

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Just as an aside, I thought it was interesting that the Underdogs gave Oulart a bit of a match! Was that maybe a warning sign that was ignored?"
Oulart rested a good few for that game.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 16/11/2022 13:33:04    2447770

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Replying To WEX98:  "A Great Hurling Match

There was a great Hurling Match between Edermine and Coolamain on the bogs of the famous Ballyroe in the Parish of Glenbrien between the years of 65 and 75. In those years there were 21 on each side and there were no goal posts. It was a stick stuck with each end in the ground making what was called a bow and the man that was minding that stick was called the "bowman." The ball in those times was three times as large as the ball we use now.
The rules were not so strict as now.
You could leap into a man with your knees or give him a back trip.

The names of the Hurlers that took part were :-
John Fortune, Scurlocksbush. two men by the name of Carrol Coolanick, Frank Boggan Tomlane, John Kelly Scurlocksbush, Tom Doran Ballyroe, John Donohoe Glenbrien, James Crowley Coolamain, Two men by the name of Quinlin Coolamain, Three men by the name of Stafford Coolamain. Michael O'Connor Tinnahask, John Malone Oylegate, Pat Kehe Coolnaboy, Pat Corty Ballyroe, Tom Bolger Woodlands, Jack Doyle Ballycourcey, James Macdonald Coolamain and Larry Boggan Redgate.

The match started on Saturday and lasted all day. It was said to be the roughest match that ever played.One of the teams scored and the other team began to fight. They fought for an hour or so. They had no hurls but big lumps of sticks
There were twenty men on each side. Aidan Sutton was the captain of the Edermine team.

From that period up to the present day Coolamain or Oylegate never agreed. The men from Coolamain stand at Jordan's wall and the men from Oylegate stand at the Chapel gate."
Loved reading that! And no mention of a ref. The game seems to have gotten on fine without one. It reminds me of listening to the Irish radio one day while driving around Ireland. It must have been 1989 as the talk show was about how too physical and violent the games between Galway and Tipperary had become.

They'd some ould Tipp fella on the show, Paddy Ryan I think was his name but can't rightly recall it, who'd hurled about 50 years before that. Anyway, he was asked if he thought the games had become too physical. "Jaysus, it's too tame they've become. I remember one time we played the Treacy's and sure the ball went out of play. But nobody noticed that it was gone, and the game went on fine for almost 10 minutes without the ball at all before anyone even complained" (or words to that effect).

I can't recall what club he said he played with or whether he was just winding up the radio host, but I'll tell you, I almost crashed the car when I heard what he came out with that day.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2219 - 16/11/2022 13:41:12    2447771

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "In fairness to the other lad, he did clarify by saying "more football orientated clubs". While it's true that the ones you mention have been making great progress in hurling, it's also true that over the years, they were more orientated towards football, and it's probably still their number one priority too.

For instance, Horeswood won Intermediate 'A' hurling, and are our sole representatives left in Leinster. I wish them well there. But if you told them at the start of the year that they'd reach both the Intermediate Football Final and the Intermediate 'A' Hurling Final, and they could choose themselves which they could win, I'd say they'd have opted for the football.

Anyway, unless we're all going to start using phrases like "clubs who traditionally have been more associated with football", I don't think there's any harm or disrespect intended by just using the shorter term "football clubs" instead."
I'm going to say that the driving forces in Horeswood GAA club are pushing hurling,I would argue that they are doing more hurling in the school than football.

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 16/11/2022 15:16:29    2447796

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "The above chatter all shows why Wexford aren't successful. Everyone pulling in different directions, everyone wanting something different and all rowing a different boat. Agendas, hurling v football, club v county v intercounty, and so on.
County with an identity crisis."
Ah no it shows a healthy debate in a proper dual county with predominantly dual clubs and dual players.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 17/11/2022 07:24:35    2447856

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Replying To tearintom:  "I didnt say football clubs though, I said more football orientated which is the case in every single one of those clubs, no?"
Just because they are more successful historically at football doesn't mean that they are more football orientated now Tearintom. If they were they wouldn't be making the strides they now are in hurling, especially when you consider how few recently retired top hurlers any of those clubs would have to act as managers and mentors to the underage teams there. 365 has made a big difference as has Wexfords improved fortunes at hurling since Liam Dunne took over.
Also if you go back far enough, pre 1970, Ross District teams that are now considered "football orientated" won 19 Wexford Senior Hurling titles, which is more than Wexford and Gorey District teams in the same period. And Horeswood reached 4 senior hurling finals in the 50s and 60s.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 17/11/2022 07:46:31    2447857

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Oulart rested a good few for that game."
It would have matched them better to have played them.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 17/11/2022 07:47:12    2447858

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Loved reading that! And no mention of a ref. The game seems to have gotten on fine without one. It reminds me of listening to the Irish radio one day while driving around Ireland. It must have been 1989 as the talk show was about how too physical and violent the games between Galway and Tipperary had become.

They'd some ould Tipp fella on the show, Paddy Ryan I think was his name but can't rightly recall it, who'd hurled about 50 years before that. Anyway, he was asked if he thought the games had become too physical. "Jaysus, it's too tame they've become. I remember one time we played the Treacy's and sure the ball went out of play. But nobody noticed that it was gone, and the game went on fine for almost 10 minutes without the ball at all before anyone even complained" (or words to that effect).

I can't recall what club he said he played with or whether he was just winding up the radio host, but I'll tell you, I almost crashed the car when I heard what he came out with that day."
Stench of Urban Myth off both stories. 10 minutes without a ball? Good story.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1337 - 17/11/2022 09:35:34    2447866

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Stench of Urban Myth off both stories. 10 minutes without a ball? Good story."
No myth. A Cork man, who was never given to exaggeration, told me he was in Thurles for one of those epic Limerick/ Cork clashes of the late Thirties/early Forties. He said at one stage the ball never hit the ground for ten minutes and he saw one enthralled spectator eating a whole orange, without peeling it, at he watched spell bound by the sheer majesty of that passage of play. I am not one to get carried away, but one can only marvel at the sheer glory of Munster Hurling.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 17/11/2022 10:27:11    2447873

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "No myth. A Cork man, who was never given to exaggeration, told me he was in Thurles for one of those epic Limerick/ Cork clashes of the late Thirties/early Forties. He said at one stage the ball never hit the ground for ten minutes and he saw one enthralled spectator eating a whole orange, without peeling it, at he watched spell bound by the sheer majesty of that passage of play. I am not one to get carried away, but one can only marvel at the sheer glory of Munster Hurling."
He also saw a moving statue as he drove through Ballinaspiddle as he was cycling home.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1337 - 17/11/2022 11:27:21    2447888

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Replying To Viking66:  "It would have matched them better to have played them."
The producers of the show asked them to was what I heard.
Like when that show had the English cricketer over with the Harriers they asked the coach to big him up a bit.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1337 - 17/11/2022 11:29:30    2447890

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "He also saw a moving statue as he drove through Ballinaspiddle as he was cycling home."
Oh you of Little-You have been in Wexford and Dublin too long.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 17/11/2022 20:22:29    2447979

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "He also saw a moving statue as he drove through Ballinaspiddle as he was cycling home."
Anyway, there is no denying the glory of Munster Hurling. As late as last June Thurles was sold out within ten minutes of the tickets been put on sale. How many were at the Leinster Finals.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 17/11/2022 20:24:26    2447980

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Stench of Urban Myth off both stories. 10 minutes without a ball? Good story."
Have a look at the The Schools' Collection, this is a collection of folklore compiled by schoolchildren in Ireland in the 1930s. Numerous children of Oylegate National School recorded various versions of this "great hurling match" so it was obviously a very well know piece of local history at the time.


https://www.duchas.ie/en/cbes/5009279/5004193/5133029?ChapterID=5009279

WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 505 - 17/11/2022 20:59:15    2447986

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Anyway, there is no denying the glory of Munster Hurling. As late as last June Thurles was sold out within ten minutes of the tickets been put on sale. How many were at the Leinster Finals."
That's only because we weren't there ; )

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 18/11/2022 07:18:05    2447991

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Anyway, there is no denying the glory of Munster Hurling. As late as last June Thurles was sold out within ten minutes of the tickets been put on sale. How many were at the Leinster Finals."
Kilkenny folk don't go droves to Leinster finals because they get to so many finals and have a lower population (approximately half that of Limerick and a fifth of Cork).

Now if Wexford were there ... we'd put 30k+ alone into Croke Park.

Punter72007 (Wexford) - Posts: 318 - 18/11/2022 10:16:12    2448009

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Oh you of Little-You have been in Wexford and Dublin too long."
You live in Wexford as well don't you Oldtourman?
I have spent 16 years down here. Wouldn't swap it for the world even though I like to jeer these Wexicans when it suits me :)

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1337 - 18/11/2022 10:26:15    2448011

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Replying To Viking66:  "That's only because we weren't there ; )"
True, the Wexicans love a bandwagon ;)

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1337 - 18/11/2022 10:27:46    2448012

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