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Is the standard in Wexford club hurling that good? I'd suggest it's very competitive but the standard may not be as good as portrayed by some people. Similar to the football championships competitive but the standard would be 7/10 maybe? hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 14/11/2022 12:27:33 2447506 Link 0 |
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The wexford championship is highly competitive but as an overall standard its probably not hectic. I'd have the average wexford club hurler at probably a lower standard than in say Limerick, Kilkenny, Tipp, Galway and maybe Cork to a much smaller extent. Take out Ballygunner from Waterford and the standard in Waterford is probably of a similar level to Wexford, Dublin, Clare. I don't think there's a single team in Wexfod who'd be close to the top 4 or 5 clubs in Ireland not to mind 3/4 who'd compete strongly in Leinster. St Martin's with everyone playing are probably the closest we'd have but they just can't seem to get everything in a row, thought they'd kick on after winning a couple in 2017/18 but just seem to always be down a few or lacking something. We just don't have the playing population to be consistently competing at club level, had a great club scene in the 70s/80s/90s and was probably one of the best in Ireland. It always gives a good boost to the club championship when clubs from the county are doing well, adds that bit more interest and showcase (could be very off in saying that but that how I see it)
Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 268 - 14/11/2022 12:40:56 2447507 Link 0 |
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I'm not disputing that action needs to be taken against such "supporters". What I'm saying is that even if you hit clubs with huge fines, and the clubs tell those people that they won't have them as members and don't want them going to matches, the club still can't actually stop those people from buying tickets and going to matches anyway. Also think it's unlikely that if such a person ever gets so riled up at a match again, that they'll instead think twice and decide "oh, better behave myself, or else the club will be fined thousands of euro again".....that money wouldn't be coming out of their own pocket, and they may well believe that "the GAA has plenty of money anyway". I see there was some crowd trouble at the FAI Cup Final yesterday too. Both those clubs might be sanctioned as well. But so long as tickets go on public sale for any other match they play in future, how exactly are they supposed to stop such people from buying them? Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2254 - 14/11/2022 13:09:22 2447511 Link 0 |
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That's an interesting question. Kilkenny and Galway are arguably the only counties where the county winners are always capable of winning All Ireland. Certainly Leinster in case of Cats. Wexford were in that category back in the day. You can of course have great clubs without it making much of a difference to the rest, or even to the standard of county team - Antrim and Carlow spring to mind. Likewise, a county like Tipp that seldom produces teams of All Ireland quality is always a contender. Hard to argue that Dublin county team was any better since Cuala's triumphs. Reverse maybe. Cuala have arguably raised the standard in Dublin but current Crokes would never have beaten them at their best and Crokes haven't a hope of winning All Ireland. Being doing well to reach Leinster final. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2584 - 14/11/2022 13:11:37 2447512 Link 0 |
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Not picking your post out specifically but there's a lot of nonsense about standard of clubs and other counties championships on this thread. Half our 6 teams are still in Leinster. Seeing as half the teams are gone from the 6 competitions isn't 3 of our teams left not what should be left by law of averages? All the teams in every grade are going to be top teams in their grade regardless of 5he status of that counties senior inter-county team. Or they would be playing in the grade below. Carlow champions play in the Leinster Senior club championship because their teams have earned that right. Kildares champions Naas likewise this year. If the Meath team that beat the Kilkenny team win at Intermediate then they will have earned the right for next year's Meath champions to play in the Senior championship. It smacks of arrogance that Wexford people on this assumed Oulart and Ferns should have won Saturday because they were playing opponents from Carlow and Dublin. One reason for Wexfords perceived lack of Senior success that hasn't been brought up yet is the large number of clubs we have relative to our playing population. But I still think the main reason is that most of our clubs are dual clubs and most of our players are dual players. How many of Ballyhales or Ballygunners, or even St Mullins, players played 6 high intensity championship football games in the last couple of months for example? And train appropriately for them? Very few I'd be guessing. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12057 - 14/11/2022 14:09:23 2447526 Link 0 |
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I just watched a meme a friend sent to me of Johnny Giles flattening Kevin Keegan with a box in an off the ball incident. For which incidentally he only got a yellow card. I remember going to games in various different sports since the 70s during which there was violence and fighting on and off the pitch. I'm not belittling what happened up in Dublin, or condoning it in any way, but is it a case we over react to violence these days not because there is more of it but because there is so much more coverage of it? I'm replying to your post on the subject OTM because I want to know were there ever incidents like this back in the 50s and 60s before I was going to games?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12057 - 14/11/2022 14:15:52 2447528 Link 0 |
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From my own experience of seeing Ferns in the flesh the fact is hes not wrong!!. Surely the actual act of goading the opposition is a bigger cultural issues than actually pointing out that a team are going out of their way to goad their opposition. It seems you have a bigger issue with the tweet than the actual act of goading itself. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1351 - 14/11/2022 15:07:26 2447533 Link 0 |
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I think a lot comes down to us being a lot more hurling orientated in this county, it's the game that people probably care that bit more about. We're a decent Divison 1 team in hurling whereas we've been a poor Divison 4 team for a long time now. I Don't have any particular attachment to football so I might come across a bit cold in my assessment there but it's a county that expects in hurling and hopes in football. Don't want to put down the football in Wexford but it is clear that we operate at higher level in hurling and so have our clubs up until relatively recently so it is a pity when our clubs underperform in our main (maybe "better" or stronger is a more appropriate word there) I don't think anyone was shocked by St Mullins winning to be fair either, they're a quality team with some big wins under their belt, it's more the overall quality of club hurling in Wexford isn't at a particularly high level. Underage County teams performing well over a long period usually has a big impact on the club championship as you'll have lots of good quality hurlers who might not make to senior county level but make very good club hurler hence why the average club hurler in Galway, Tipp, Limerick, Kilkenny will probably be operating at a higher level than the average club hurler in Wexford. Just my take on it, know people won't agree and seems a bit callous but it's something I've noticed when comparing them.
Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 268 - 14/11/2022 15:17:19 2447535 Link 0 |
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The only belting that can clearly be seen on the clip is form a man wearing togs and a tracksuit top which would suggest he was a panel member.
Keephimthere (Roscommon) - Posts: 97 - 14/11/2022 15:22:52 2447537 Link 0 |
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I dunno. Am sure some of the Ferns players would have certain things to say at certain stages all right, but don't think they'd be any better or worse in this regard than anybody else. And I'd find it hard to believe that the entire St. Mullins team (or any other team) are perfect upstanding examples of Corinthian sportsmanship throughout every minute of every match they play. I'm sure some Ferns players today could tell you about certain unsportsmanlike things said to them during yesterday's match as well. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2254 - 14/11/2022 15:33:08 2447541 Link 0 |
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I don't know what you were watching!
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2584 - 14/11/2022 15:33:34 2447542 Link 1 |
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And he was 100% right too - stopped a couple and 1 particular NB "supporter" from entering the field of play.
grassroots01 (Wexford) - Posts: 169 - 14/11/2022 15:43:54 2447548 Link 0 |
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From my own experience yes they are a lot worse than literally any other team our club played this year, by far. Its very deliberate, almost instructed because from memory over the years no it wasnt something they were known for And to clarify ive no idea what St Mullins are like, could be just as bad. The point is the original post seemed to take issue with the fact this was mentioned rather than the fact it happened as if mentioning it is a blight on the game. The act itself is a blight on the game imho and i pretty much guarantee that if it was clamped down on more and punished more severely then we would also see a siginficant drop off in the type of brawls we are seeing in gaa matches across the country also. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1351 - 14/11/2022 15:51:48 2447550 Link 0 |
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Yes indeed and worse. I remember one year in the sixties where two neighboring clubs fought out a county quarter Final of the Championship. On two days it had to be stopped and only got finished at the third attempt. I attended these games as a boy of 13 and the adults that brought me along were giving out yards about the disgraceful nature of these goings on. Being a precocious youth, I thought twas great gas altogether. I also remember a fairly hefty dust up in 1972, when my own club was involved. Our boys were playing Patrickswell and it was going down to the wire, until PW got a goal, after which the scorer seemed-and I wish to emphasise appeared- to make a crude gesture towards a solid plank of our supporters. They were not best pleased and all hell broke with a good old pitch invasion and the game had to be called off. That game was played in Croom and refixed for the Gaelic Grounds where the 'Well won well. The '37 Cork Junior Hurling Final-before my time- was declared null and void after three attempts were made to play it, but all finished in fairly lively scenes and had to be called off. Our neighbouring parish Meelin were involved and down the decades they are noted for been an exceptionally clean side. We can only assume it was all Castlemartyrs fault.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4342 - 14/11/2022 16:00:02 2447551 Link 0 |
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The battle of Ross springs to mind. It was 1963. Cork v Wexford in a league game. I was too young and wasn't at the game but relatives of mine iwho were there said it got pretty rough with players fighting like dogs and lads n the crowd running on to the field and joining. Older folk talk about it still. Of course in those days there was no TV or camera phones. Referee's were very slow to react for bad fouls and I don't believe they were questioned following a match. If a player was sent off Michael o Heigher would not name the lad sent to the line. Nowadays there is video evidence.for nearly every game. In spite of that the violence continues. The hierarchy in the Gaa will say its got to stop but they know and we know that it will not stop. It would be impossible to find the" fans" who threw fists in the stand n the Oulart match so all that will happen is a fine of some sort for the two clubs, maybe and a couple of suspensions for the two players sent off. A fine would be wrong in my opinion if it was just the crowd and not any of the mentors. Every sport will always have unsavoury incidents because local and county rivalry can and will bring out the worst in some people. How do you prevent it from happening? You can't. I would bet that in 100 years time the powers in charge will be asking themselves the same question. Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 280 - 14/11/2022 16:05:40 2447553 Link 0 |
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Maybe it needs to be similar to a restraining order / injunction? I.e. you cannot go within 100m of a GAA ground? And if you do, you are liable to do jail time? Might seem excessive but a line in the sand needs to be drawn, and these offences treated with the seriousness of them happening on the street at 3am. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1138 - 14/11/2022 16:21:30 2447555 Link 0 |
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Here's my two pence ... firstly best of luck to St.Mullins and I hope you do well going forward. Punter72007 (Wexford) - Posts: 315 - 14/11/2022 16:32:05 2447561 Link 0 |
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Great post OTM. Maybe a bit of perspective is needed. And by that I don't mean stuff brushed under the carpet. Just a little less hysteria.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12057 - 14/11/2022 16:40:38 2447562 Link 0 |
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My issue wasn't so much that he said Ferns were a mouthy team, my issue was moreso the insinuation that St Mullins were not guilty of such behaviour. There weren't really any dirty strokes in the match yesterday and there wasn't really any threat of anyone boiling over so his depiction of Ferns as getting their just desserts seems needless and is a bit of a low blow. He could have just praised St Mullins for how well they played but no, let's take a potshot at the opposition despite the fact the St Mullins's goalscorer roared his face off in front of Patrick Breen after scoring the goal. This "Holier Than Thou" shtick and persistent downgrading of the opposition is a waste of time (And this goes beyond yesterday, you'll have fans of different counties on here giving out about rival counties and their sets of fans).
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 273 - 14/11/2022 17:10:09 2447567 Link 0 |
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I thought that myself but wasn't sure since I have only a passing interest in the Munster club championship. Thanks for posting. Punter72007 (Wexford) - Posts: 315 - 14/11/2022 17:13:42 2447568 Link 0 |