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I also think there could be a springer in Cian Byrne who could well get game time in senior championship.
Competition for the match day panel is really what you want." Larry after watching the u20s in Cork I really hope none of them play in the Round Robin. They are too important to what looked a really good u20 team who might do well in that grade this year. The u20 group games are largely midweek at the same time as the Round Robin Senior games and won't be able to play in most of the u20s games if they even come off the bench for 5 minutes at Senior.
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I see mention of Spratt and South East Radio above. I was listening 2 weeks ago to the Sunday evening sports show and Oulart was pronounced ' O lart' and 'Cloughbawn was 'Clock bawn' like WTF? A local station can't get these right??
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Painful as it is, it's hard to disagree with much of our Dublin friend's analysis. Maybe a tad on the gloomy side but fundamentally correct. I've been reflecting on this for some time now and the conclusion I've reached is that there are deep seated issues within the collective Wexford GAA psyche.
I agree that our reaction to the Clare game was 'odd. ' The desire for success is at times suffocating. We cling onto any shred to evidence that its on the horizon yet on another level have a fatalism that defeat, and disappointment is to be our lot. Many of us have heard and bought into the suggest that there is 'great work' being done and that this will inevitably yield results. There may well be but we're not working in vacuum, other counties are doing 'great work' too. Our objective has to be get and stay ahead of these counties. We have to gain clarity about our strengths and weaknesses as we have both and clarity as to what are the key ingredients/metrics of success. What volume of players do we need, what do we need to see at school and underage, we need to identify the things that we can measure and target for improvement, what are the 1%'s we need to work on?
I'm concerned we're losing ground to rugby at the moment, especially with the middle classes/aspiring families and as Liam Griffin warned in 1995/96 an essential element of our culture is under threat, we need a vibrant local scene and county set up that inspires children and parents.
We cannot be defeatist though, we have many strengths to build on, success is a game of fine margins, we are probably doing 80%+ things right but if the benchmark is 90% + then we are well off it. Honesty is the first thing required of us, but again this cannot equal despondency, it must instead be the spur to renewed action, to a recommittal to excellence. IF you want you want to experience the euphoria of another All Ireland win in your lifetime, if you want your children to have this privilege then the only answer is work, working harder, working smarter. Our culture has embody this, we have to be the best at learning and applying, the best at promoting and marketing, the best at scheduling, the best at delivering the financial received now required to compete. Its not easy and there is a good reason why there are so few truly successful counties. But as the old Guinness ads for the hurling championship said 'nobody said this was going to be easy'. So up and at it and up Wexford.
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Replying To Viking66: "What are you talking about? When those lads you mentioned first graduated to Senior we were getting routinely beaten by Dublin and hammered by Kilkenny the 1st few years they were on the panel. In the League we were losing to or just barely beating Laois and Antrim never mind the Munster counties. We didn't beat Kilkenny in Senior Championship until 2017, since from 2004, when Lee and Matt were 25 or 26 years old. Mogie and Dee were 27 or 28. Sure posters on this with your attitude back then were saying Lee and Matt were footballers not real hurlers at all. I know you didn't post on this but I'm beginning to suspect you weren't really following Wexford hurling at all back then.
Our u21 team in 2018 was arguably better than the 3 in a row team. They only lost to Galway to a last second hail mary goal in that years u21 final. Our 3 in a row team never had to play Galways u21s at all as they weren't allowed to compete in Leinster at u21. These lads are now still only 24 or 25 later this year. Ok lads like Damien Reck and Rory got gametime at an early age as did Conor Firman, Joe OConnor and Darren Byrne, but lads like Shane Reck, Carty, Higgins, Dwyer, Clarke and Oisin Foley are only getting regular Senior gametime now this year or last which is shocking when you think the other lads from the 3 in a row team got the chance to improve at Senior from when they were 21 or 22. Other good hurlers from this panel who sadly didn't want to commit include Jack Cullen and Garry Molloy, not sure about Rowan White whether he was asked or not and Stephen O Gorman who also hurled intercounty u21 in 2017 and has never been asked, despite getting a nomination for the Wexford club hurling TOTY just a few months ago.
Now these lads are in their 1st year or 2 at Senior, along with Mcguckin, the 2 Murphys, James Lawlor, Banville, Clancy, Kinsella, Richie Lawlor, Jack Doran, Conor Devitt, Kyle Scallan and the other lads who have seen gametime so far this year and you seem to be expecting them to beating teams from Munster largely made up of players with between 4 and 10 years Senior intercounty experience, training and S and C behind them? You are the one who is not being realistic lad. These lads won't be competitive until they have a few more years done at this level, same as Matt, Lee, Mogie and Dee before them." Forgot Hearne who has still to start a Senior Championship game but has improved massively this year.
Hopefully after a couple more years some of the lads who were losing League games this year will have stepped up to the required level to replace Lee, Matt, Mogie and Dee, although lads like Kevin Foley, Ryan, Dunbar, Donohue, and Mac should have 5 or 6 years left in them and would be the lads expected to lead the team in 2 or 3 years time, along with younger lads but with more Senior experience like Damien and Rory off that 2018 team.
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I hope ye are right about Liam and Matt being back for Salthill. Would be great to have a full compliment of players for the trip.
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Replying To wexford2012: "Painful as it is, it's hard to disagree with much of our Dublin friend's analysis. Maybe a tad on the gloomy side but fundamentally correct. I've been reflecting on this for some time now and the conclusion I've reached is that there are deep seated issues within the collective Wexford GAA psyche.
I agree that our reaction to the Clare game was 'odd. ' The desire for success is at times suffocating. We cling onto any shred to evidence that its on the horizon yet on another level have a fatalism that defeat, and disappointment is to be our lot. Many of us have heard and bought into the suggest that there is 'great work' being done and that this will inevitably yield results. There may well be but we're not working in vacuum, other counties are doing 'great work' too. Our objective has to be get and stay ahead of these counties. We have to gain clarity about our strengths and weaknesses as we have both and clarity as to what are the key ingredients/metrics of success. What volume of players do we need, what do we need to see at school and underage, we need to identify the things that we can measure and target for improvement, what are the 1%'s we need to work on?
I'm concerned we're losing ground to rugby at the moment, especially with the middle classes/aspiring families and as Liam Griffin warned in 1995/96 an essential element of our culture is under threat, we need a vibrant local scene and county set up that inspires children and parents.
We cannot be defeatist though, we have many strengths to build on, success is a game of fine margins, we are probably doing 80%+ things right but if the benchmark is 90% + then we are well off it. Honesty is the first thing required of us, but again this cannot equal despondency, it must instead be the spur to renewed action, to a recommittal to excellence. IF you want you want to experience the euphoria of another All Ireland win in your lifetime, if you want your children to have this privilege then the only answer is work, working harder, working smarter. Our culture has embody this, we have to be the best at learning and applying, the best at promoting and marketing, the best at scheduling, the best at delivering the financial received now required to compete. Its not easy and there is a good reason why there are so few truly successful counties. But as the old Guinness ads for the hurling championship said 'nobody said this was going to be easy'. So up and at it and up Wexford." Proper post with constructive criticism. As individuals we need to get off our holes and put in the work at the grassroots, as I know Exiled does in fairness to him. I do think we are some way off winning an AI too, but I dare to dream, and react badly to people putting pins in my bubbles who either haven't been at the games this year at all hardly, or are expecting lads with next to no Senior intercounty experience, training or S and C done to come straight in and be world beaters.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15683 - 22/03/2023 11:47:19
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Replying To ChinCanHurl: "I hope ye are right about Liam and Matt being back for Salthill. Would be great to have a full compliment of players for the trip." I can see a month of rumours and whispers ahead on this, probably won't know until the 26 is published the Thursday or Friday before throw in who's involved and then 10-15 mins before the match who is actually starting.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 22/03/2023 11:54:32
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I sometimes wonder why I post on here!
Look, those 3 x U21's didn't win a Leinster until 2019 but they were a very competitive side as soon after as 2014/15 (?) under Liam Dunne was it when they knocked Clare and Waterford out and the year after Cork? Sorry if my years wrong, but I remember a swashbuckling Conor McDonald back then torturing defences? Are my years wrong?
I have followed Wexford since I moved here in the mid-noughties, more closely in the past 10 years since my chaps started going to the games but I remember a minor defeat to Carlow around the mid-noughties which set in tune better coaching, development squads which yielded those u21 teams and ultimately senior.
The development squads are working well and I see first hand how much they have improved players. And yet, having watched the sessions, the only difference is they do it quicker. But are they as good as the work in Limerick or Cork or Tipp? We haven't won anything to say they are and this is a fact.
I hate to say it, but the saying about a silk purse out of a sows ear is springing to mind.
But another frustration from me, Wexford need to forget about 1996. It is as if the county is stuck in some strange time warp about this year. I am sure for Wexford people it is unforgettable, but come on it is nigh on 30 years ago. Yet, even that hurling podcast starts with Liam Griffin talking, Martin Storey thanking the people of Wexford, even today the episode is by Billy Byrne no doubt talking about 96. No offence to the creators of the podcast, but there is no story about 96 that anybody alive has not heard at least 50 times at this stage.
Its time to re-make history and move on from the past.
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Replying To ChinCanHurl: "I hope ye are right about Liam and Matt being back for Salthill. Would be great to have a full compliment of players for the trip." If 1 is missing it shouldn't make too much difference. If both are we will struggle at the back I think. Like last year we have one of our big games first up. Hopefully they will both be back though.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15683 - 22/03/2023 12:17:36
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Replying To wexford2012: "Painful as it is, it's hard to disagree with much of our Dublin friend's analysis. Maybe a tad on the gloomy side but fundamentally correct. I've been reflecting on this for some time now and the conclusion I've reached is that there are deep seated issues within the collective Wexford GAA psyche.
I agree that our reaction to the Clare game was 'odd. ' The desire for success is at times suffocating. We cling onto any shred to evidence that its on the horizon yet on another level have a fatalism that defeat, and disappointment is to be our lot. Many of us have heard and bought into the suggest that there is 'great work' being done and that this will inevitably yield results. There may well be but we're not working in vacuum, other counties are doing 'great work' too. Our objective has to be get and stay ahead of these counties. We have to gain clarity about our strengths and weaknesses as we have both and clarity as to what are the key ingredients/metrics of success. What volume of players do we need, what do we need to see at school and underage, we need to identify the things that we can measure and target for improvement, what are the 1%'s we need to work on?
I'm concerned we're losing ground to rugby at the moment, especially with the middle classes/aspiring families and as Liam Griffin warned in 1995/96 an essential element of our culture is under threat, we need a vibrant local scene and county set up that inspires children and parents.
We cannot be defeatist though, we have many strengths to build on, success is a game of fine margins, we are probably doing 80%+ things right but if the benchmark is 90% + then we are well off it. Honesty is the first thing required of us, but again this cannot equal despondency, it must instead be the spur to renewed action, to a recommittal to excellence. IF you want you want to experience the euphoria of another All Ireland win in your lifetime, if you want your children to have this privilege then the only answer is work, working harder, working smarter. Our culture has embody this, we have to be the best at learning and applying, the best at promoting and marketing, the best at scheduling, the best at delivering the financial received now required to compete. Its not easy and there is a good reason why there are so few truly successful counties. But as the old Guinness ads for the hurling championship said 'nobody said this was going to be easy'. So up and at it and up Wexford." Good post, mate. At senior level anyway there doesn't appear to be anyway any lack of investment, Portugal trip for example, facilities are as good as other counties too. Club championship is ran well, extra week or two rest fair enough but players like the format and it's definitely not the problem.
But as you say there needs to be a bit of a reality check in terms of how competitive we actually are in competing for All Ireland's, not maybe sneaking a Leinster final spot or pulling a shock against the third ranked Munster team in a quarter final. Elite player development has obviously been a huge problem for many years, S&C being the most obvious unfortunately. Serious questions should be asked of the standard of coaching at all levels. Limerick did it, a complete root and branch review and it's paying dividends now. And they went lower with strikes under Justin McCarthy than we ever did!
I also think the demographics need to be considered for proper investment by Wexford county board. New Ross needs a special project for likely 5 years, there's no reason why talented kids there can't be as good as anywhere else but they aren't getting the opportunity. Only one hurling club in Wexford town, same for Gorey really. Enniscorthy have two but one very much the poor relation. Maybe we need to relax transfer rules for kids to be able to transfer to their parents clubs if outside these towns? Also if S&C is a big problem could we not extend senior club games from 60-70 mins maybe with more subs? Up Wexford!
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 399 - 22/03/2023 12:35:04
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I sometimes wonder why I post on here!
Look, those 3 x U21's didn't win a Leinster until 2019 but they were a very competitive side as soon after as 2014/15 (?) under Liam Dunne was it when they knocked Clare and Waterford out and the year after Cork? Sorry if my years wrong, but I remember a swashbuckling Conor McDonald back then torturing defences? Are my years wrong?
I have followed Wexford since I moved here in the mid-noughties, more closely in the past 10 years since my chaps started going to the games but I remember a minor defeat to Carlow around the mid-noughties which set in tune better coaching, development squads which yielded those u21 teams and ultimately senior.
The development squads are working well and I see first hand how much they have improved players. And yet, having watched the sessions, the only difference is they do it quicker. But are they as good as the work in Limerick or Cork or Tipp? We haven't won anything to say they are and this is a fact.
I hate to say it, but the saying about a silk purse out of a sows ear is springing to mind.
But another frustration from me, Wexford need to forget about 1996. It is as if the county is stuck in some strange time warp about this year. I am sure for Wexford people it is unforgettable, but come on it is nigh on 30 years ago. Yet, even that hurling podcast starts with Liam Griffin talking, Martin Storey thanking the people of Wexford, even today the episode is by Billy Byrne no doubt talking about 96. No offence to the creators of the podcast, but there is no story about 96 that anybody alive has not heard at least 50 times at this stage.
Its time to re-make history and move on from the past." You post more stuff I agree with than not but I think your biggest problem is if someone challenges your point in the slightest way you come back like a petulant teenager like the 1st sentence above.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 22/03/2023 13:17:42
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Replying To wexford2012: "Painful as it is, it's hard to disagree with much of our Dublin friend's analysis. Maybe a tad on the gloomy side but fundamentally correct. I've been reflecting on this for some time now and the conclusion I've reached is that there are deep seated issues within the collective Wexford GAA psyche.
I agree that our reaction to the Clare game was 'odd. ' The desire for success is at times suffocating. We cling onto any shred to evidence that its on the horizon yet on another level have a fatalism that defeat, and disappointment is to be our lot. Many of us have heard and bought into the suggest that there is 'great work' being done and that this will inevitably yield results. There may well be but we're not working in vacuum, other counties are doing 'great work' too. Our objective has to be get and stay ahead of these counties. We have to gain clarity about our strengths and weaknesses as we have both and clarity as to what are the key ingredients/metrics of success. What volume of players do we need, what do we need to see at school and underage, we need to identify the things that we can measure and target for improvement, what are the 1%'s we need to work on?
I'm concerned we're losing ground to rugby at the moment, especially with the middle classes/aspiring families and as Liam Griffin warned in 1995/96 an essential element of our culture is under threat, we need a vibrant local scene and county set up that inspires children and parents.
We cannot be defeatist though, we have many strengths to build on, success is a game of fine margins, we are probably doing 80%+ things right but if the benchmark is 90% + then we are well off it. Honesty is the first thing required of us, but again this cannot equal despondency, it must instead be the spur to renewed action, to a recommittal to excellence. IF you want you want to experience the euphoria of another All Ireland win in your lifetime, if you want your children to have this privilege then the only answer is work, working harder, working smarter. Our culture has embody this, we have to be the best at learning and applying, the best at promoting and marketing, the best at scheduling, the best at delivering the financial received now required to compete. Its not easy and there is a good reason why there are so few truly successful counties. But as the old Guinness ads for the hurling championship said 'nobody said this was going to be easy'. So up and at it and up Wexford." Liam Griffin this Liam Griffin that, he did a fantastic job for Wexford in 1996. The game has moved on from all that romance. Liams own club are quite frankly pathetic. He was trying to get football clubs across the country to start coaching hurling when his own club are on their knees lingering in the depths of hurling and football in county Wexford.
hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 22/03/2023 13:19:55
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I sometimes wonder why I post on here!
Look, those 3 x U21's didn't win a Leinster until 2019 but they were a very competitive side as soon after as 2014/15 (?) under Liam Dunne was it when they knocked Clare and Waterford out and the year after Cork? Sorry if my years wrong, but I remember a swashbuckling Conor McDonald back then torturing defences? Are my years wrong?
I have followed Wexford since I moved here in the mid-noughties, more closely in the past 10 years since my chaps started going to the games but I remember a minor defeat to Carlow around the mid-noughties which set in tune better coaching, development squads which yielded those u21 teams and ultimately senior.
The development squads are working well and I see first hand how much they have improved players. And yet, having watched the sessions, the only difference is they do it quicker. But are they as good as the work in Limerick or Cork or Tipp? We haven't won anything to say they are and this is a fact.
I hate to say it, but the saying about a silk purse out of a sows ear is springing to mind.
But another frustration from me, Wexford need to forget about 1996. It is as if the county is stuck in some strange time warp about this year. I am sure for Wexford people it is unforgettable, but come on it is nigh on 30 years ago. Yet, even that hurling podcast starts with Liam Griffin talking, Martin Storey thanking the people of Wexford, even today the episode is by Billy Byrne no doubt talking about 96. No offence to the creators of the podcast, but there is no story about 96 that anybody alive has not heard at least 50 times at this stage.
Its time to re-make history and move on from the past." Yes those days were good but we weren't consistent. And in any case your posts so far this year have been based on poor League experiences. We were rooted in div1b and lost every league game to Munster opposition and Galway up until 2017 when we go promoted to 1a. You mention 2014 and the win over Clare. We struggled to beat a 14 man Laois that year in the League in the Park. In 2015 we only beat Antrim by a point. In 2016 we only beat Laois by a point in the League and got hammered by Offaly. Finally in 2017 we started to perform a little better in the League but by then Dee and Mogie were in their 6th or 7th campaign as Wexford Senior hurlers and Lee was in his 5th.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15683 - 22/03/2023 13:59:53
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I sometimes wonder why I post on here!
Look, those 3 x U21's didn't win a Leinster until 2019 but they were a very competitive side as soon after as 2014/15 (?) under Liam Dunne was it when they knocked Clare and Waterford out and the year after Cork? Sorry if my years wrong, but I remember a swashbuckling Conor McDonald back then torturing defences? Are my years wrong?
I have followed Wexford since I moved here in the mid-noughties, more closely in the past 10 years since my chaps started going to the games but I remember a minor defeat to Carlow around the mid-noughties which set in tune better coaching, development squads which yielded those u21 teams and ultimately senior.
The development squads are working well and I see first hand how much they have improved players. And yet, having watched the sessions, the only difference is they do it quicker. But are they as good as the work in Limerick or Cork or Tipp? We haven't won anything to say they are and this is a fact.
I hate to say it, but the saying about a silk purse out of a sows ear is springing to mind.
But another frustration from me, Wexford need to forget about 1996. It is as if the county is stuck in some strange time warp about this year. I am sure for Wexford people it is unforgettable, but come on it is nigh on 30 years ago. Yet, even that hurling podcast starts with Liam Griffin talking, Martin Storey thanking the people of Wexford, even today the episode is by Billy Byrne no doubt talking about 96. No offence to the creators of the podcast, but there is no story about 96 that anybody alive has not heard at least 50 times at this stage.
Its time to re-make history and move on from the past." Yes those days were good but we weren't consistent. And in any case your posts so far this year have been based on poor League experiences. We were rooted in div1b and lost every league game to Munster opposition and Galway up until 2017 when we got promoted to 1a. You mention 2014 and the wins over Clare and a really really poor Waterford team. We struggled to beat a 14 man Laois that year in the League in the Park. In 2015 we only beat Antrim by a point. In 2016 we only beat Laois by a point in the League and got hammered by Offaly. Finally in 2017 we started to perform a little better in the League but by then Dee and Mogie were in their 6th or 7th campaign as Wexford Senior hurlers and Lee was in his 5th.
I can only imagine what you would've been posting back then in 2015 and 2016 and we struggling or losing against Laois, Offaly and Antrim in the League! You would probably have been posting that Lee and Matt were footballers and Mogie and Dee were too small and al 4 were never going to be good enough to win anything at Senior!
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Replying To Timbertony: "Good post, mate. At senior level anyway there doesn't appear to be anyway any lack of investment, Portugal trip for example, facilities are as good as other counties too. Club championship is ran well, extra week or two rest fair enough but players like the format and it's definitely not the problem.
But as you say there needs to be a bit of a reality check in terms of how competitive we actually are in competing for All Ireland's, not maybe sneaking a Leinster final spot or pulling a shock against the third ranked Munster team in a quarter final. Elite player development has obviously been a huge problem for many years, S&C being the most obvious unfortunately. Serious questions should be asked of the standard of coaching at all levels. Limerick did it, a complete root and branch review and it's paying dividends now. And they went lower with strikes under Justin McCarthy than we ever did!
I also think the demographics need to be considered for proper investment by Wexford county board. New Ross needs a special project for likely 5 years, there's no reason why talented kids there can't be as good as anywhere else but they aren't getting the opportunity. Only one hurling club in Wexford town, same for Gorey really. Enniscorthy have two but one very much the poor relation. Maybe we need to relax transfer rules for kids to be able to transfer to their parents clubs if outside these towns? Also if S&C is a big problem could we not extend senior club games from 60-70 mins maybe with more subs? Up Wexford!" Excellnt post. Good points about the towns. We really need hurling to be strong in our 4 main towns for us to be a force. New Ross in particular needs special attention. Im from the north of the county so im not familiar with the structures but how are Geraldine O Hanrahans in the third tier of hurling in Wexford something is obviously not right there.
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But as you say there needs to be a bit of a reality check in terms of how competitive we actually are in competing for All Ireland's, not maybe sneaking a Leinster final spot or pulling a shock against the third ranked Munster team in a quarter final. Elite player development has obviously been a huge problem for many years, S&C being the most obvious unfortunately. Serious questions should be asked of the standard of coaching at all levels. Limerick did it, a complete root and branch review and it's paying dividends now. And they went lower with strikes under Justin McCarthy than we ever did!
I also think the demographics need to be considered for proper investment by Wexford county board. New Ross needs a special project for likely 5 years, there's no reason why talented kids there can't be as good as anywhere else but they aren't getting the opportunity. Only one hurling club in Wexford town, same for Gorey really. Enniscorthy have two but one very much the poor relation. Maybe we need to relax transfer rules for kids to be able to transfer to their parents clubs if outside these towns? Also if S&C is a big problem could we not extend senior club games from 60-70 mins maybe with more subs? Up Wexford!" More good proposals fair play to you. The 70 minutes for Senior could be extended to Inter and Inter A though maybe?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15683 - 22/03/2023 14:23:54
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Replying To Viking66: "More good proposals fair play to you. The 70 minutes for Senior could be extended to Inter and Inter A though maybe?" Didn't think a county board could do that independently would be something for national congress i would presume.
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Replying To Afinestick: "Excellnt post. Good points about the towns. We really need hurling to be strong in our 4 main towns for us to be a force. New Ross in particular needs special attention. Im from the north of the county so im not familiar with the structures but how are Geraldine O Hanrahans in the third tier of hurling in Wexford something is obviously not right there." I'm from Enniscorthy area so know this best but have been told re Wexford town that some will gravitate towards clubs around the town, Glynn, Shels, Martins in the main, is this the case? The Shamrocks have unfortunately been struggling and hopefully they can stop the rot, most development has been on the east (Rapps) side of the town so maybe they struggle population wise? I've heard Ross is a disaster zone, with GAA now firmly in 3rd place in the town (at best), very difficult to say what should happen but something needs to be done to arrest this decline.
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Replying To Viking66: "Yes those days were good but we weren't consistent. And in any case your posts so far this year have been based on poor League experiences. We were rooted in div1b and lost every league game to Munster opposition and Galway up until 2017 when we got promoted to 1a. You mention 2014 and the wins over Clare and a really really poor Waterford team. We struggled to beat a 14 man Laois that year in the League in the Park. In 2015 we only beat Antrim by a point. In 2016 we only beat Laois by a point in the League and got hammered by Offaly. Finally in 2017 we started to perform a little better in the League but by then Dee and Mogie were in their 6th or 7th campaign as Wexford Senior hurlers and Lee was in his 5th.
I can only imagine what you would've been posting back then in 2015 and 2016 and we struggling or losing against Laois, Offaly and Antrim in the League! You would probably have been posting that Lee and Matt were footballers and Mogie and Dee were too small and al 4 were never going to be good enough to win anything at Senior!" You missed my point though viking, my point is that the competitiveness didn't just come when Chin and McGovern etc hit 27/28.
I get there were plenty of bad results in that era.
I would never propose anybody play football over hurling and growing up playing unfashionable club hurling in Dublin never changed that.
The poster above talking about Liam Griffin is on to something also, I have come across St. Mary's at a lot of levels in recent years and I think Liam needs to start in his own club before proposing national interventions.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1336 - 22/03/2023 15:23:43
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