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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I get aim high but to me it is unrealistic. If they said 10 years on the back of underage success, I would say yeah why not aim for it.
I get no team plays a straight 3 in any line but Wexford playing so few inside when a team holds the numerical advantage is music to every oppositions ears. It snuffs out any goal threat and reduces Wexford to long range shooting which ends up with umpires waving their arms rather than flags.
Teams are now finding Wexford so predictable to play and giving top teams space to put ball in to allows forwards time to get space, nullifying the sweeper. That sweeper would be better placed up stopping the ball coming in, instead of marking space.
Another thing, Wexford supporters seem to have a passive attitude to what is expected of the team and maybe that psyche will always have them in the middle group. That performance v Clare should have been slated by all who spent €18 to see it, it was an appalling performance from management and players. Instead Wexford supporters, media etc made excuses, oh sure we have injuries, etc. What was on show that day was nothing to do with injuries, but attitude. An u16 player would have made a better attempt at some of the hassling, closing down than Wexford seniors did that day.
The top teams in any sport go in to every game, wanting to win every game. Wexford seem to go in with a "this game isn't important, the next day matters more" mantra, almost trying to pretend to be more clever than the top teams. Winning is a habit and titles aren't so plentiful for half of the hurling counties to be able to turn their nose up at it.
At the end of the league, Wexford beat Westmeath and had a good display v half a Cork team. I don't know how Wexford supporters could find that acceptable.
A good championship will solve everything, and you can come back to me and say "this is what it is all about". I will be happy to see it. I wouldn't be confident with away trips to Dublin and Galway and needing a win in one of them (and if I hear "we don't need to win either to qualify", I rest my case.....)" You are on to something. It bugged the hell out of me, the attitude in our club was one of accepting mediocrity when we should have pushed on to at least aim higher. Lads who wouldn't look after themselves, skipped training, etc for no reason other than couldn't be bothered. But then at the AGM each year they'd be demanding a coach with a modern outlook, gym programmes, and so on. Like it would matter.
I think at every level in Wexford, people accept mediocrity and find an excuse rather than be held accountable. Like the county champions brutal record in Leinster is always "oh sure hurling first" or "oh sure Ferns won their first". Maybe, in reality, our county champions aren't at the races is closer to the truth?
I am not as up to speed with the county team as other years given I'm in Australia now and only get reports, highlights occasionally etc but I 100% agree with him, people in Wexford accept mediocrity. Its like we want to be everybody's second favourite team and sing Dancing at the Crossroads rather than become hated. Teams become hated when they win. We should target becoming hated like many people do the top 3 and Limerick now more than likely.
Viking's description of Jacko "even tried" sums up where Wexford hurling is at. As long as that is acceptable will be as long as Wexford are also-rans.
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Replying To Viking66: "We will hopefully win both. If we have our full team out we should beat Dublin and might beat Galway. Agree the attitude against Clare wasn't acceptable. I don't remember anyone on this, on the management team or in the media saying it was.
As regards winning an AI by 2027 why not aim for that? We lost this years u20 Leinster final by a point to the team who 2 weeks later won the u20 AI title by a point. We have a good u20 team this year too. I've seen them play with my own eyes. What is the point not aiming to win an AI? What are you suggesting? That we aim to win to win Leinster by 2027? We should surely be aiming to win that this year!!!!" Yeah, no point having a defeatist attitude.
We must aim to improve all the time. Learning from mistakes and working non stop on our weaknesses is the way to go.
Things are not so good at present but when our big guns return we will I'm sure give it a right rattle.
Who knows what might happen in 4 years. A lot of water will flow under bridges between now and then. Belief in the cause. Belief in their team mates and of course Belief in themselves goes a long way to success. The best teams tend to look confident.
You can see it in their body language.
It may take 4 years or even longer but it most definitely can be achieved. Winning leinster again might be the springboard to an all ireland appearance but we have to be patient and support our team no matter what. Negativity never got anybody anywhere.
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 450 - 20/03/2023 19:22:34
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I listened to some of the match yesterday on the radio, I get that Liam Spratt is an institution/parody/etc in Wexford but mother of god he is a poor commentator in my opinion. Lots of times the co-commentators corrected him on players, decisions, and so on. At one stage he said Gearoid Hegarty looked like Tom Morrissey, unless I am wrong one wears a yellow helmet and the other a black?
But at the end Billy Byrne I think (or Tom Dempsey?) was really critical of how Wexford are setting teams up to lose by playing a defensive strategy which is not working and also frustrating the life out of inside forwards being always out numbered. I have been saying just this and especially this year Wexford are setting up to defend and are not good enough at it at every level in the game in the county and inviting teams on to us. Seeing u14 teams with sweepers, etc in the county, do clubs not put stock in training 1-on-1 drills and coaching a corner or full back how to defend that situation.
People will say "well look what happened v Clare" to point to a sweeper, that is a half back lines job read when to drop back to help the full back line out.
Every top county is now playing a different game to Wexford and as a result, Wexford are getting left behind playing a game which does not use top forwards to the best of their ability. In Rory O'Cononor and Conor McDonald Wexford have 2 forwards capable of giving any defence a mare of a day out, yet Wexford choose to play a game which is a backs game all day long. Did Wexford have 10 shots on goal in their 5 league games?
Going to watch Wexford is not an enjoyable experience. It is like the team are programmed to know 1 way to hurl from the Davy era and can't move on despite others showing them their game is defunct.
Can any of you say that you actually believe this target of winning an All-Ireland by 2027? To me, if Wexford targeted a 2 Tony Forristals and maybe a minor All-Ireland by 2027 that would be realistic and achievable. A senior All-Ireland is delusional to be realistic about where hurling in the county is." Spratt is a poor commentator. Yes he is a bit of an institution but it would be nice to listen to someone who knows what they are talking about. He must be annoying to work with as he makes so many mistakes. Billy Dodd used to get fairly annoyed with him during the football matches, you could hear the exasperation in his voice as Spratt stumbled through the commentary. Time for a change.
Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 252 - 20/03/2023 21:40:59
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Replying To StoreysTash: "You are on to something. It bugged the hell out of me, the attitude in our club was one of accepting mediocrity when we should have pushed on to at least aim higher. Lads who wouldn't look after themselves, skipped training, etc for no reason other than couldn't be bothered. But then at the AGM each year they'd be demanding a coach with a modern outlook, gym programmes, and so on. Like it would matter.
I think at every level in Wexford, people accept mediocrity and find an excuse rather than be held accountable. Like the county champions brutal record in Leinster is always "oh sure hurling first" or "oh sure Ferns won their first". Maybe, in reality, our county champions aren't at the races is closer to the truth?
I am not as up to speed with the county team as other years given I'm in Australia now and only get reports, highlights occasionally etc but I 100% agree with him, people in Wexford accept mediocrity. Its like we want to be everybody's second favourite team and sing Dancing at the Crossroads rather than become hated. Teams become hated when they win. We should target becoming hated like many people do the top 3 and Limerick now more than likely.
Viking's description of Jacko "even tried" sums up where Wexford hurling is at. As long as that is acceptable will be as long as Wexford are also-rans." Accepting mediocrity isn't acceptable at any level in any sport. The u12s I help out with don't accept it. They want to win. So why shouldn't the adults in the county? As regards Jacko I don't think he should start purely because he doesn't play with the necessary intensity. I've said this numerous times on this thread.
But at the same time being positive doesn't mean accepting mediocrity. If you werevto read some of the posts posted on this there is a suggestion that we aren't good enough so should therefore expect mediocrity. And alot of these posts are from the same poster who says it's a large part of the problem. Negativity like his is why so many in the county accept mediocrity in the 1st place. They have given up striving for more.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15680 - 21/03/2023 09:56:04
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Replying To StoreysTash: "You are on to something. It bugged the hell out of me, the attitude in our club was one of accepting mediocrity when we should have pushed on to at least aim higher. Lads who wouldn't look after themselves, skipped training, etc for no reason other than couldn't be bothered. But then at the AGM each year they'd be demanding a coach with a modern outlook, gym programmes, and so on. Like it would matter.
I think at every level in Wexford, people accept mediocrity and find an excuse rather than be held accountable. Like the county champions brutal record in Leinster is always "oh sure hurling first" or "oh sure Ferns won their first". Maybe, in reality, our county champions aren't at the races is closer to the truth?
I am not as up to speed with the county team as other years given I'm in Australia now and only get reports, highlights occasionally etc but I 100% agree with him, people in Wexford accept mediocrity. Its like we want to be everybody's second favourite team and sing Dancing at the Crossroads rather than become hated. Teams become hated when they win. We should target becoming hated like many people do the top 3 and Limerick now more than likely.
Viking's description of Jacko "even tried" sums up where Wexford hurling is at. As long as that is acceptable will be as long as Wexford are also-rans." Accepting mediocrity isn't acceptable at any level in any sport. The u12s I help out with don't accept it. They want to win. So why shouldn't the adults in the county? As regards Jacko I don't think he should start purely because he doesn't play with the necessary intensity. I've said this numerous times on this thread.
But at the same time being positive doesn't mean accepting mediocrity. If you werevto read some of the posts posted on this there is a suggestion that we aren't good enough so should therefore expect mediocrity. And alot of these posts are from the same poster who says it's a large part of the problem. Negativity like his is why so many in the county accept mediocrity in the 1st place. They have given up striving for more.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15680 - 21/03/2023 09:56:14
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Replying To Magpie2: "Yeah, no point having a defeatist attitude.
We must aim to improve all the time. Learning from mistakes and working non stop on our weaknesses is the way to go.
Things are not so good at present but when our big guns return we will I'm sure give it a right rattle.
Who knows what might happen in 4 years. A lot of water will flow under bridges between now and then. Belief in the cause. Belief in their team mates and of course Belief in themselves goes a long way to success. The best teams tend to look confident.
You can see it in their body language.
It may take 4 years or even longer but it most definitely can be achieved. Winning leinster again might be the springboard to an all ireland appearance but we have to be patient and support our team no matter what. Negativity never got anybody anywhere." Spot on Magpie. We have come along way from around 12/14 years ago when our lads were physically out of shape and got blew away in the 2nd halves of our games against Kilkenny. Lads were needing 2 or 3 goes to get the ball up in Championship games and we even developed an inferiority complex playing against Dublin. Our underage teams were getting regualrly knocked out in the 1st round. We had no plan for the future. OK we are surely not where we want to be yet but at least we have nearly caught up with most of the other top counties. I really do think we can win Leinster this year. We might not but we are definitely good enough to. We aren't miles behind the Munster counties either. I think we are closer this year as regards Championship than any year since the noughties to be honest. For the last few years we've flogged our best players in February and March. This year they will be mentally fresher. I'm hoping for a big year out of the lads this year!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15680 - 21/03/2023 10:04:18
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I get aim high but to me it is unrealistic. If they said 10 years on the back of underage success, I would say yeah why not aim for it.
I get no team plays a straight 3 in any line but Wexford playing so few inside when a team holds the numerical advantage is music to every oppositions ears. It snuffs out any goal threat and reduces Wexford to long range shooting which ends up with umpires waving their arms rather than flags.
Teams are now finding Wexford so predictable to play and giving top teams space to put ball in to allows forwards time to get space, nullifying the sweeper. That sweeper would be better placed up stopping the ball coming in, instead of marking space.
Another thing, Wexford supporters seem to have a passive attitude to what is expected of the team and maybe that psyche will always have them in the middle group. That performance v Clare should have been slated by all who spent €18 to see it, it was an appalling performance from management and players. Instead Wexford supporters, media etc made excuses, oh sure we have injuries, etc. What was on show that day was nothing to do with injuries, but attitude. An u16 player would have made a better attempt at some of the hassling, closing down than Wexford seniors did that day.
The top teams in any sport go in to every game, wanting to win every game. Wexford seem to go in with a "this game isn't important, the next day matters more" mantra, almost trying to pretend to be more clever than the top teams. Winning is a habit and titles aren't so plentiful for half of the hurling counties to be able to turn their nose up at it.
At the end of the league, Wexford beat Westmeath and had a good display v half a Cork team. I don't know how Wexford supporters could find that acceptable.
A good championship will solve everything, and you can come back to me and say "this is what it is all about". I will be happy to see it. I wouldn't be confident with away trips to Dublin and Galway and needing a win in one of them (and if I hear "we don't need to win either to qualify", I rest my case.....)" Completely agree with you in regards to our passive attitude.
Ye see it on here all the time, get hockeyed and its "arrah sure, they are trying this and trying that, all about championship" come championship and another list of excuses and justifications.
Like we shipped a 22point beating at home to Clare and people are defending it based on some hopeful presumption that we may have a different player to come in as a sub and thats way better than actually winning games, its excusing and accepting mediocrity. Like its ok we now have a different player to come who plainly isnt up to it to begin with!! Great!
I seen another excuse on here that we are taking the same approach to the league that Limerick did last year so thats ok!! Limerick who are light years ahead of us and admitted the approach they took to the league last year almost caught them and that they wouldnt do it again!
We accept and excuse mediocrity.
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How long are the lads going to Portugal for lads? Are all the lads who missed Sundays game likely to be back in time for Salthill?
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 21/03/2023 10:47:41
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Replying To tearintom: "Completely agree with you in regards to our passive attitude.
Ye see it on here all the time, get hockeyed and its "arrah sure, they are trying this and trying that, all about championship" come championship and another list of excuses and justifications.
Like we shipped a 22point beating at home to Clare and people are defending it based on some hopeful presumption that we may have a different player to come in as a sub and thats way better than actually winning games, its excusing and accepting mediocrity. Like its ok we now have a different player to come who plainly isnt up to it to begin with!! Great!
I seen another excuse on here that we are taking the same approach to the league that Limerick did last year so thats ok!! Limerick who are light years ahead of us and admitted the approach they took to the league last year almost caught them and that they wouldnt do it again!
We accept and excuse mediocrity." That is my point.
It happened all throughout Davy's time "oh they were in the middle of a big training block", "oh we didn't want to make a league final so Waterford/Tipp/etc won by a cricket score".
Limerick were a county of excuses in the 90s/00s when they always had an excuse, e.g. Gary Kirby had his finger broken when the reality was it was 2 players pulling on a ball and they were beaten by a more determined and disciplined team who believed in themselves. Then they went through manager after manager until eventually they said enough excuses, lets look at ourselves first. I think this is the crossroads Wexford are now at.
It is not being negative to find a beating like that which Clare shipped on Wexford inexcusable, and that was not the first one there were others like Waterford, Galway, Westmeath in recent years. I am a blow-in in this county with less passion than most yet I found the reaction of "oh its the league", "oh we have injuries" and so on to be abdicating management and players of responsibility. Time to stop making excuses at this stage, its not being negative it is being honest.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1336 - 21/03/2023 10:49:14
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Replying To Viking66: "Spot on Magpie. We have come along way from around 12/14 years ago when our lads were physically out of shape and got blew away in the 2nd halves of our games against Kilkenny. Lads were needing 2 or 3 goes to get the ball up in Championship games and we even developed an inferiority complex playing against Dublin. Our underage teams were getting regualrly knocked out in the 1st round. We had no plan for the future. OK we are surely not where we want to be yet but at least we have nearly caught up with most of the other top counties. I really do think we can win Leinster this year. We might not but we are definitely good enough to. We aren't miles behind the Munster counties either. I think we are closer this year as regards Championship than any year since the noughties to be honest. For the last few years we've flogged our best players in February and March. This year they will be mentally fresher. I'm hoping for a big year out of the lads this year!" I don't know how we can say we are close to the Munster teams when we have already got blown away by one (in front of an expectant home crowd), reeled in by another and outplayed by a third playing in second gear just last weekend. I know "its only the league", but recent championship encounters against them have shown that we tend to tire a lot quicker down the home straight, or are let down by our game management/general skill-set when it counts.
I haven't always agreed with Storeystash over the years, but he is spot on. We are too accepting of mediocrity. Our free-taking and chance conversion remains in the low bracket. Our conditioning, from my eye at least, is well behind the true contenders. Joe Canning (best hurler of my lifetime) was on the Tommy Tiernan show last week, and he talked the viewer through his free-taking technique, but seemed to regret the one time his system didn't quite work in the All-Ireland final of 2018 when it dropped just short. This was the reigning hurler of the year at the time, in a side going for back-to-back All Ireland's, regretting that they ALMOST snatched victory from the jaws of defeat. We in Wexford would accentuate the positives of that experience and fete the players involved still. We have praised a couple of lads for showing fight in the last two matches for godsake (when we were let down by individual errors let again).
In my lifetime, and without giving away my age, the list of All-Ireland final appearances reads as follows:
Kilkenny 21 (won 13)
Tipperary 11 (won 6)
Cork 9 (won 4, but going through their longest ever drought without one currently)
Galway 9 (won 2)
Limerick 7 (won 4)
Clare 4 (won 3)
Offaly 4 (won 2)
Waterford 3
WEXFORD 1 (won 1)
Antrim 1.
So the optimists here will probably paint that as us having the only 100% record in finals in that time frame, but of the so-called hurling counties, Dublin are the only team to have featured in less finals than us. And for a county that can really claim to play second-fiddle to the other code, they have still won 6 Leinster minors compared to our solitary one. Offaly really utilised a golden period, winning senior, minor and u-21 Leinster titles in 89, but also winning Leinster minor titles in two different decades too (2000, 2022), and an NHL in 2001- something we haven't achieved in 50 years now.
The fact of the matter is that we have concluded our league campaign with one win, against a side we couldn't beat in championship last year, and bring that lack of momentum into the lion's den of Salthill for the opening round of Leinster, with the usual raft of injuries to contend with it seems (although I'm sure no county has ever had the fortune of going injury-free for an entire season, we just get inhibited by it more thanks to a lack of succession planning). I have always ear-marked Dublin away as the key game of the entire round robin, as we could at least afford to lose to Galway if we win in Parnell, but our recent bouts with them don't fill me with confidence either.
Call me a pessimist, but sometimes negativity is closer to reality.
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I honestly think Wexford will win the Leinster Championship this year. On the face of it the League was poor but we experimented for the first time in years and got a proper look at lads who have been on the fringes without over extending our better hurlers. We have problems no doubt but have a month to work on them and gear up properly for championship which i think will stand us well.
Every team in Leinster has weaknesses and i think we will beat both Kilkenny and Dublin. Galway will be tough but they are very hard to gauge and i am yet to be convinced by the likes of Niland, Kevin Cooney, TJ Brennan etc. They have also lost David Burke for the year which is a blow.
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "I honestly think Wexford will win the Leinster Championship this year. On the face of it the League was poor but we experimented for the first time in years and got a proper look at lads who have been on the fringes without over extending our better hurlers. We have problems no doubt but have a month to work on them and gear up properly for championship which i think will stand us well.
Every team in Leinster has weaknesses and i think we will beat both Kilkenny and Dublin. Galway will be tough but they are very hard to gauge and i am yet to be convinced by the likes of Niland, Kevin Cooney, TJ Brennan etc. They have also lost David Burke for the year which is a blow." I like your optimism LarryO. I dont think we will win Leinster but I do think we are a lot better than we showed in the league. Our manager has been consistently saying the league was not our priority this year. We have went out every day bar the Cork game with half our first choice players missing. I will only be judging us on our leinster championship campaign when hopefully our injuries have cleared up and the lads now have 4 and a half weeks to get ready for Salthill. I think if we can our best team on the field we are capable of getting a win but it will extremely tough Shefflin will have them primed for championship this year I feel
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beano, I would riddle you that Dublin aren't a fair comparison because lets face it hurling is the 2nd game in the city and we never had all our best players available.
I would bet you good money that we would have made an All-Ireland if we had, but that's the reality of the situation for me.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1336 - 21/03/2023 12:27:49
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Replying To Viking66: "He's the standout back but Cathal Doyle and Stephen O Gorman would be just as important to the team at club level.
Dwyer is Fethards best forward from what I've seen of them. Higgins, Lawlor and O Connor are probably Rathnures. Mac would still be Goreys. Chin is Harriers. Hearne and Mcguckin have been 2 of our better intercounty players this year so far. Who are the forwards you are talking about?" If you think mcguckin is one of our best players then you my friend are deluded. You try your best to convince people that we would be best off with "lads who get through loads of work" instead of someone like jacko who has attributes and can actually hurl. Being one of the best forwards in a very poor team and still failing to actually stand out and catch the eye is kinda worrying that these are the players we are trying to develop.
Waltermitty2 (Wexford) - Posts: 268 - 21/03/2023 12:31:24
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "That is my point.
It happened all throughout Davy's time "oh they were in the middle of a big training block", "oh we didn't want to make a league final so Waterford/Tipp/etc won by a cricket score".
Limerick were a county of excuses in the 90s/00s when they always had an excuse, e.g. Gary Kirby had his finger broken when the reality was it was 2 players pulling on a ball and they were beaten by a more determined and disciplined team who believed in themselves. Then they went through manager after manager until eventually they said enough excuses, lets look at ourselves first. I think this is the crossroads Wexford are now at.
It is not being negative to find a beating like that which Clare shipped on Wexford inexcusable, and that was not the first one there were others like Waterford, Galway, Westmeath in recent years. I am a blow-in in this county with less passion than most yet I found the reaction of "oh its the league", "oh we have injuries" and so on to be abdicating management and players of responsibility. Time to stop making excuses at this stage, its not being negative it is being honest." Fact-1 we have an extraordinary amount of injuries.
No other county to my knowledge has anything like the missing marquee players that we have.
Fact -2 It's not making excuses when more than half your team are young and inexperienced at the top level. They will learn over time, it's not something that happens overnight.
Fact-3 On a given day we are capable of beating any of the top leinster teams but only if we are playing from a full deck, or nearly a full deck.
Fact- 4 we have unearthed new talent. Lads like Ian Carthy, Conor Hearne, Richie Lawlor, Conor Foley. Those lads will be key players in the years to come. ( see Fact 2)
Fast -5 Management have to try out new ideas, such as trying out players in different positions.
Of course it doesn't always work out as planned but necessary to see what they can do and change for the next game if needed.
Fact-6 Constructive criticism is not a bad thing.
But some of the stuff on this forum is destructive.
The younger players and the older guys need to be encouraged by all of us. If for instance if they have a bad day, let's tell them that the next game will be better.
Fact- 7 positive thoughts bring positive returns.
Ask any successful sportsman or woman and they will all tell you the same thing. Its all about a positive attitude. If a lad is constantly critizised and his head is full of negative thoughts due to what people are saying then he will surely carry that negativity into games and his game will suffer as a result. Of course not everyone makes the cut but encouragement, praise, pat on the back will go a long way to make a better player.
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I just think it will come together by Championship. Goalkeeper is my biggest concern but the below team, man for man, for me is as good as anyones in Leinster if they get going -
Fanning
Donohue Ryan S.Reck
O' Hanlon D. Reck Flood
O'Keefe Dunbar
Hearne McGovern Chin
Rory Mac Dwyer
Sub - McGuckian, Kevin Foley, Carthy, Oisin Foley, Conor Foley, Devitt, Rory Higgins, Jack O'Connor and the rest of the U'20s
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "That is my point.
It happened all throughout Davy's time "oh they were in the middle of a big training block", "oh we didn't want to make a league final so Waterford/Tipp/etc won by a cricket score".
Limerick were a county of excuses in the 90s/00s when they always had an excuse, e.g. Gary Kirby had his finger broken when the reality was it was 2 players pulling on a ball and they were beaten by a more determined and disciplined team who believed in themselves. Then they went through manager after manager until eventually they said enough excuses, lets look at ourselves first. I think this is the crossroads Wexford are now at.
It is not being negative to find a beating like that which Clare shipped on Wexford inexcusable, and that was not the first one there were others like Waterford, Galway, Westmeath in recent years. I am a blow-in in this county with less passion than most yet I found the reaction of "oh its the league", "oh we have injuries" and so on to be abdicating management and players of responsibility. Time to stop making excuses at this stage, its not being negative it is being honest." Ahem, not sure if thats the reality of what happened Gary Kirby...!
Was at the game Sunday, Wexofrd need a keeper, Fanning aint good enough. Also need Chin to be a lot better on frees. The plan to crowd the middle and break at pace wont work against the better teams, they will be closer with a full team but will struggle to beat any of the Munster teams / KK / Galway. Away v Dublin will be interesting in the Leinster championship...
McFan88 (Limerick) - Posts: 449 - 21/03/2023 13:50:06
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Replying To Magpie2: "Fact-1 we have an extraordinary amount of injuries.
No other county to my knowledge has anything like the missing marquee players that we have.
Fact -2 It's not making excuses when more than half your team are young and inexperienced at the top level. They will learn over time, it's not something that happens overnight.
Fact-3 On a given day we are capable of beating any of the top leinster teams but only if we are playing from a full deck, or nearly a full deck.
Fact- 4 we have unearthed new talent. Lads like Ian Carthy, Conor Hearne, Richie Lawlor, Conor Foley. Those lads will be key players in the years to come. ( see Fact 2)
Fast -5 Management have to try out new ideas, such as trying out players in different positions.
Of course it doesn't always work out as planned but necessary to see what they can do and change for the next game if needed.
Fact-6 Constructive criticism is not a bad thing.
But some of the stuff on this forum is destructive.
The younger players and the older guys need to be encouraged by all of us. If for instance if they have a bad day, let's tell them that the next game will be better.
Fact- 7 positive thoughts bring positive returns.
Ask any successful sportsman or woman and they will all tell you the same thing. Its all about a positive attitude. If a lad is constantly critizised and his head is full of negative thoughts due to what people are saying then he will surely carry that negativity into games and his game will suffer as a result. Of course not everyone makes the cut but encouragement, praise, pat on the back will go a long way to make a better player." Fair play for that well taught out post, nobody is claiming it was a successful league but this thread has gone to cesspit territory at times over the last couple of months, alot of the people going hardest were probably the same people giving out we didn't experiment during the league during Davy's time. Our issue at the moment in terms of panel depth in my opinion is a symptom of the fact that we probably poor enough groups born 1999-2001, in the lads born 98 we have Damien Reck, Rory O'Connor, Flood, Dwyer, Higgins, Hearne who will all likely see game time in championship, in the 1999-01 group you might only see McGuckin and James Lawlor in big games, after that I do think there's good players coming through from last year and this year's u20 teams and hopefully this will continue, Christy O'Connor had a good article in the Sunday Times on it a few weeks ago, don't know if anyone see it.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 21/03/2023 13:55:50
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "I just think it will come together by Championship. Goalkeeper is my biggest concern but the below team, man for man, for me is as good as anyones in Leinster if they get going -
Fanning
Donohue Ryan S.Reck
O' Hanlon D. Reck Flood
O'Keefe Dunbar
Hearne McGovern Chin
Rory Mac Dwyer
Sub - McGuckian, Kevin Foley, Carthy, Oisin Foley, Conor Foley, Devitt, Rory Higgins, Jack O'Connor and the rest of the U'20s" Would agree with this team bar maybe Carty for Conall Flood and Lawlor for Fanning. I would also Consider playing Matt full back and moving Jippo into half back line but that is unlikely I think
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 21/03/2023 14:14:48
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Replying To tearintom: "Completely agree with you in regards to our passive attitude.
Ye see it on here all the time, get hockeyed and its "arrah sure, they are trying this and trying that, all about championship" come championship and another list of excuses and justifications.
Like we shipped a 22point beating at home to Clare and people are defending it based on some hopeful presumption that we may have a different player to come in as a sub and thats way better than actually winning games, its excusing and accepting mediocrity. Like its ok we now have a different player to come who plainly isnt up to it to begin with!! Great!
I seen another excuse on here that we are taking the same approach to the league that Limerick did last year so thats ok!! Limerick who are light years ahead of us and admitted the approach they took to the league last year almost caught them and that they wouldnt do it again!
We accept and excuse mediocrity." Who defended the 22 point defeat to Clare?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15680 - 21/03/2023 16:18:46
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