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Wexford Intercounty Hurling 2023

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "They do to be fair.

There's a few lovely hurlers playing soccer for North end.

Shane Dempsey an Warren broaders would be good examples. Two fantastic hurlers under age then went off to league of Ireland soccer.

Lee Murphy and Barry Nolan would be another two that had all the tools to make it but didn't for whatever reason.

I'd be surprised if the current group don't do something though. Although this year was a bit of a flop."
Dempsey and Broaders were excellent soccer players though. Shane probably could've played at a higher level than he did.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11239 - 09/10/2023 10:04:59    2507490

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Oylegate U16s won the D2 final at the weekend beating Naomh Eanna.

U14 D1 hurling and football finals still to come.

WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 374 - 09/10/2023 12:03:26    2507535

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Replying To WEX98:  "Oylegate U16s won the D2 final at the weekend beating Naomh Eanna.

U14 D1 hurling and football finals still to come."
You are definitely on the rise lad!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11239 - 09/10/2023 13:23:59    2507556

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Replying To WexMurph:  "For a traditional hurling club and the population they have behind them they have very little to show. Two titles in the last 45 years is very poor for a club so big. I suppose other sports play a big factor in this"
Other sports is an excuse in every town. With the pick that the harriers have they should be dominating underage. Look at the top counties and the major towns are usually dominant.

wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 105 - 09/10/2023 13:29:35    2507561

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Replying To wexfordwin:  "Other sports is an excuse in every town. With the pick that the harriers have they should be dominating underage. Look at the top counties and the major towns are usually dominant."
I think wexford is somewhat unique in that it's the largest Sunday league soccer in Ireland outside Dublin.

What pick do you mean exactly?

There are 5 football clubs in the town now, and wexford wonderers for rugby.

Population in the town has increased but how many Eastern Europeans are going to hurl senior

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2548 - 09/10/2023 15:19:20    2507587

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Replying To wexfordwin:  "Other sports is an excuse in every town. With the pick that the harriers have they should be dominating underage. Look at the top counties and the major towns are usually dominant."
Not recently in Clare, Cork, Kilkenny, Galway or Limerick. Which counties are you talking about?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11239 - 09/10/2023 15:41:10    2507594

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I think wexford is somewhat unique in that it's the largest Sunday league soccer in Ireland outside Dublin.

What pick do you mean exactly?

There are 5 football clubs in the town now, and wexford wonderers for rugby.

Population in the town has increased but how many Eastern Europeans are going to hurl senior"
I think people make the mistake of think that you have the pick of the whole town, without realising that alot of the new build estates are actually in St Martins or Barntowns areas. The population of the the older parts of town seem to be aging, while young people in the poorer areas prefer soccer, as do their parents as it costs alot less than hurling for equipment.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11239 - 09/10/2023 16:15:52    2507606

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I have some good friends in Faythe Harriers but I never felt they perceived the club as Wexford hurling royalty in the same way Oulart, Rathnure and Buffers Alley do.
I'd put them in the same bracket as St. Martins and Rapparees? Have had good teams over the years but not the decoration of the top 3.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1078 - 09/10/2023 17:58:31    2507633

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On Storeystask post, is it interesting that nobody came back saying "over my dead body" to the idea that clubs specialise in one code. I was expecting it to cause uproar.
Logisticially, could it be made work?
Take for example the ACHL. A nothing competition. Could these months be used to make a 2nd championship for the clubs specialising in one code, without the county players? Or something.
Better matches = better players = better county teams.
I would be afraid that the fall out in many clubs could make it a non-runner? Would 10 clubs in Wexford commit to one code or other? I'd hazard a guess 10 would to hurling but not to football?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1078 - 09/10/2023 18:07:18    2507636

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Would say the biggest competition to wexford town is the proximity of the big 3 shels martins and glynn barntown . If you look through their ranks there are so many descendants of former harriers players . Glynn barntiwn seem to be the biggest draw with so many former county players, managers chairmen either living closer or passing by towns teams to play out there . All 3 above teams have grown as the urban sprawl grew . With the celtic tiger . Smaller families and lack of interest in hurling in wexford town certainly has impacted on numbers cant say there is lack of interest in gaa as there are 4 football clubs each holding their own within the town . And yet only 2 underage soccer clubs, one only involved in underage and the others underage prob could be better but seem to be able to draw from every club at adult . 1 rugby club . 8 adult football teams . 4 hurling inc na fianna junior b . . Say the biggest problem to towns hurling is the spread of the club players to possibly 8 primary schools which waters down the talent and not all of them field hurling teams but most field football teams . When cbs was main school harriers were somewhat dominant underage .. very hard for a club to try organise 8 schools or coach them in zny way with teachers nit needing to put themselves out to help either or not willing to whilst in rural clubs its nearly part of your job description .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 152 - 09/10/2023 21:03:48    2507653

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Replying To Viking66:  "I think people make the mistake of think that you have the pick of the whole town, without realising that alot of the new build estates are actually in St Martins or Barntowns areas. The population of the the older parts of town seem to be aging, while young people in the poorer areas prefer soccer, as do their parents as it costs alot less than hurling for equipment."
You're right.

Crosstown is shells
White Rock Hill is Martins
Newtown is barntown

In fairness the harriers are very inclusive.

The contribution to training is 2 euro in a bucket. Some give more, some don't pay at all and it'll never be said to them. They just want the kids hurling.

The club will provide hurls and helmets. The kids only need boots.

Still, numbers are huge at underage. We just can't seem to get them back after college.

There's just so much more going on in town.

It would frighten you how few of our lads convert from minor to senior.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2548 - 09/10/2023 22:37:04    2507659

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Would say the biggest competition to wexford town is the proximity of the big 3 shels martins and glynn barntown . If you look through their ranks there are so many descendants of former harriers players . Glynn barntiwn seem to be the biggest draw with so many former county players, managers chairmen either living closer or passing by towns teams to play out there . All 3 above teams have grown as the urban sprawl grew . With the celtic tiger . Smaller families and lack of interest in hurling in wexford town certainly has impacted on numbers cant say there is lack of interest in gaa as there are 4 football clubs each holding their own within the town . And yet only 2 underage soccer clubs, one only involved in underage and the others underage prob could be better but seem to be able to draw from every club at adult . 1 rugby club . 8 adult football teams . 4 hurling inc na fianna junior b . . Say the biggest problem to towns hurling is the spread of the club players to possibly 8 primary schools which waters down the talent and not all of them field hurling teams but most field football teams . When cbs was main school harriers were somewhat dominant underage .. very hard for a club to try organise 8 schools or coach them in zny way with teachers nit needing to put themselves out to help either or not willing to whilst in rural clubs its nearly part of your job description ."
Agree with you.

Although I make it 5 football and 3 soccer.

Josephs, vols, sars, Mary's, clonard

Albion, North end, Town celtic

Park hotspur and bohs for adults then.

I wouldn't call it a lack of interest in hurling so much as the wrong age profile.

When I grew up there were about 150 kids my age within 500 yards of each other.

I've recently moved back. There are zero kids.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2548 - 10/10/2023 10:35:32    2507680

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "You're right.

Crosstown is shells
White Rock Hill is Martins
Newtown is barntown

In fairness the harriers are very inclusive.

The contribution to training is 2 euro in a bucket. Some give more, some don't pay at all and it'll never be said to them. They just want the kids hurling.

The club will provide hurls and helmets. The kids only need boots.

Still, numbers are huge at underage. We just can't seem to get them back after college.

There's just so much more going on in town.

It would frighten you how few of our lads convert from minor to senior."
This years Harriers U21 team - Is that the same group of players that won the Feile at U14 level? .. I remember speaking to one of their mentors after that win and he said the biggest issue they would have is keeping that group of players together.

This conversion of players from Minor - Senior isn't a new issue .. It has always been the case .. That said - the last Harriers team that won Senior Championship in 2001 contained a lot of players that lost Premier Minor in 1995 against Shamrocks

MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 134 - 10/10/2023 10:53:51    2507687

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Replying To Viking66:  "Not recently in Clare, Cork, Kilkenny, Galway or Limerick. Which counties are you talking about?"
To be fair most of the big towns or city teams tend to dominate underage more consistently than smaller clubs. Then there are some that get it right at adult level and others that can't seem to keep it going at the higher level.

Low2Joe (Wexford) - Posts: 48 - 10/10/2023 11:33:19    2507694

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I would suggest next year is going to be the start of rebuilding process for Wexford senior hurlers. With a number of players at the tipping point of their careers, should Kieth Rossiter move a few on and start a big rebuild?

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 10/10/2023 12:05:21    2507702

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "On Storeystask post, is it interesting that nobody came back saying "over my dead body" to the idea that clubs specialise in one code. I was expecting it to cause uproar.
Logisticially, could it be made work?
Take for example the ACHL. A nothing competition. Could these months be used to make a 2nd championship for the clubs specialising in one code, without the county players? Or something.
Better matches = better players = better county teams.
I would be afraid that the fall out in many clubs could make it a non-runner? Would 10 clubs in Wexford commit to one code or other? I'd hazard a guess 10 would to hurling but not to football?"
I'd suggest the reason there was no uproar here is that we're a relatively small cohort who already know much of each other's views on certain things anyway.

But throw that idea out in any sort of formal or official way to the Wexford GAA community at large, and I assure you there'd be uproar all right.

Anyway, wouldn't have to be a case of clubs just doing one or the other - instead, would just need acceptance of clubs wanting to do closer to a 90/10 split than 50/50. But you're right that probably far more would prioritise hurling than prioritise football, so football would suffer overall in the long run, and that's where the uproar from certain quarters would start.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2155 - 10/10/2023 12:05:29    2507703

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Agree with you.

Although I make it 5 football and 3 soccer.

Josephs, vols, sars, Mary's, clonard

Albion, North end, Town celtic

Park hotspur and bohs for adults then.

I wouldn't call it a lack of interest in hurling so much as the wrong age profile.

When I grew up there were about 150 kids my age within 500 yards of each other.

I've recently moved back. There are zero kids."
Clonaed don't play football . Thought wex celtic were outside. Park hotspur disbanded North end snd wex bohs only 2 wex celtic adult men too .
What i meant no interest in hurling was that the general population of the town don't have the interest the town is zo spread out and only handful of hurlers in most primary schools hard to build a comminiy spirit in the clubs when they only see the boy girls at training or matches . Community spiirit and inclusiveness builds gaa clubs success follows . I know harriers have tried everything. Na fianna clonard not so sure . . They ll keep trying

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 152 - 10/10/2023 12:13:08    2507706

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Clonaed don't play football . Thought wex celtic were outside. Park hotspur disbanded North end snd wex bohs only 2 wex celtic adult men too .
What i meant no interest in hurling was that the general population of the town don't have the interest the town is zo spread out and only handful of hurlers in most primary schools hard to build a comminiy spirit in the clubs when they only see the boy girls at training or matches . Community spiirit and inclusiveness builds gaa clubs success follows . I know harriers have tried everything. Na fianna clonard not so sure . . They ll keep trying"
Trojan work going into their underage section for what I can see, and they contest the u14 final this weekend which shows they are doing soemthing right, but must be hard to build community spirit etc when your pitch is a fair bit outside the town, it's easier for lads to just go to the nearest Football or soccer club and play there.

WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 146 - 10/10/2023 12:34:00    2507707

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Replying To MyOhMi:  "This years Harriers U21 team - Is that the same group of players that won the Feile at U14 level? .. I remember speaking to one of their mentors after that win and he said the biggest issue they would have is keeping that group of players together.

This conversion of players from Minor - Senior isn't a new issue .. It has always been the case .. That said - the last Harriers team that won Senior Championship in 2001 contained a lot of players that lost Premier Minor in 1995 against Shamrocks"
They're the exception not the rule.

Hopefully not but I'd expect a huge drop off in the next 2 or 3 years from that group

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2548 - 10/10/2023 15:54:33    2507740

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "You're right.

Crosstown is shells
White Rock Hill is Martins
Newtown is barntown

In fairness the harriers are very inclusive.

The contribution to training is 2 euro in a bucket. Some give more, some don't pay at all and it'll never be said to them. They just want the kids hurling.

The club will provide hurls and helmets. The kids only need boots.

Still, numbers are huge at underage. We just can't seem to get them back after college.

There's just so much more going on in town.

It would frighten you how few of our lads convert from minor to senior."
Sadly alot of people outside towns don't realise how that drop-off impacts our county teams.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11239 - 10/10/2023 21:04:48    2507796

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