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Replying To Waltermitty2: "Can anybody tell me why there is no black spot on the goals in wexford park?" There was enough black spots for wexford teams during the season without adding more on the goal posts.
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 301 - 01/06/2023 11:03:01
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Replying To beano: "Was just thinking of a few external candidates, a couple left field choices, should, as expected, Egan steps away. Would be doing local lads a dis-service mentioning them with club campaigns around the corner:
Brian Cody. Yes he seems like Mr.Kilkenny. But no-one would have envisaged Mickey Harte ever rocking up to Louth, nor Micko going to Laois and Wicklow. I admit being one of those who felt that the modern game had by-passed him towards the end of his reign, but one thing is for sure- our fundamental skill levels will surely improve, and our work-rate would be consistent across all games. Maybe unlikely, but has Wexford connections, and I see him as a stop-gap measure while blooding a successor within the setup.
Anthony Cunningham- very versatile coach who always struck me as a fella who takes no nonsense. Guided Garrycastle to an All Ireland club football final (where they were beaten by a black and amber dynastical team) and brought Galway to two All Ireland hurling final (where they were beaten by a black and amber dynsatical team twice). Won a Connacht with Roscommon. Is now with Portarlington so perhaps he is focused on football.
John Myler- I know his last tenure ended acrimoniously, but a lot of water has gone under the bridge since. Again, seems like a bread and butter figure, will definitely get intensity out of the lads. Seems to be able to adjust tactically game per game too. Having knowledge of the Wexford club scene stands him in good stead. Proper hurling man, regarded so highly in Cork he is in charge of a lot of their underage development.
Darragh O'Sullivan- guided Ballygunner to their All Ireland title a couple of years ago, playing a fantastic brand of hurling along the way. Interestingly, David Franks was part of that set-up and he is in with our under-20s at the moment. May be happy with his lot there, and wouldn't blame him.
Michael Fennelly- steadied the ship somewhat in his only intercounty post with Offaly. Probably lacks the experience a bit like Egan, but again he'd have the basics down to a tee. Would a Kilkenny man take the Wexford role though?
Liam Sheedy- mentioned here before. Maybe a consultancy role, doing his good mate a favour? Wouldn't be undermining Egan's position at all, and he might impart the small little things Egan hasn't learned yet.
We need someone who can tactically adapt to the opposition, can strike a balance between keeping us tight defensively but getting a tune out of Chin, ROC etc. Get more consistency in our performance. Get puck-out routines and general basics spot on. We also need someone who garners respect from the players in training but isn't too "pally" if you get me. Can't be going on the beer with them after matches and things like that- disconnect themselves from the socialising side." Another thing I forgot to mention, we need to find the hurling equivalent of a Paddy Tally or Donie Buckley. Someone who will improve us defensively. We conceded nine goals in our last two games alone, and eleven in all in the championship. Eleven in the league (six in one game!) too. That's simply unsustainable. Yes injuries played their part, but it should be more imperative to remain tighter back in the event of missing a few cogs.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1425 - 01/06/2023 11:04:20
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "People mentioning joe fortune as possible Wexford manager. We cannot be selecting managers purely on the basis he's from Wexford. You could argue Westmeath regressed this year under fortune even allowing for the win v Wexford. They were beaten out the gate in their other 4 matches and should've been by Wexford as well. Relegated to joe mcdonagh. What would everyone be saying about his Wexford prospects then?The bottom line is we have to get better than the guy you're replacing. Ideally I'd prefer a Wexford man to be manager but don't see anyone there at the moment.
Maybe if Egan tweaked his back room team it would improve things." Yep its a valid point.
I was told on sunday that it was between Joe Fortune and Darragh Egan back when Egan got the job and Egan was the preferred candidate. You could argue neither has pushed forward their credentials substantially subsequently.
The only caveat in that is the argument about expectations within both counties, what constitutes success in Westmeath is or at least should be very different to what constitutes success in Wexford.
If Egan remains then a tweaking of his backroom would not just be preferred but essential imho. The prospect of Sheedy coming in as advisor/selector etc is one thats interesting mind but not sure how viable it is.
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I would love to see Frank Flannery looked in to. He did a great job with Oulart and got them within a puck of a ball against Na Piarsaigh. If they had gotten over that, they would have won it.
One thing people need to see though is it is about more than a manager. Look at Limerick with Keily/Kinnerk, Tipp (and before Waterford) with Cahill/Bevans.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1741 - 01/06/2023 11:21:14
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Gordon D'arcy maybe?
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1144 - 01/06/2023 11:25:07
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Replying To StoreysTash: "I would love to see Frank Flannery looked in to. He did a great job with Oulart and got them within a puck of a ball against Na Piarsaigh. If they had gotten over that, they would have won it.
One thing people need to see though is it is about more than a manager. Look at Limerick with Keily/Kinnerk, Tipp (and before Waterford) with Cahill/Bevans." Maybe an Egan/Sheedy partnership could work then if Sheedy can be persuaded?
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 01/06/2023 11:32:50
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Replying To beano: "Was just thinking of a few external candidates, a couple left field choices, should, as expected, Egan steps away. Would be doing local lads a dis-service mentioning them with club campaigns around the corner:
Brian Cody. Yes he seems like Mr.Kilkenny. But no-one would have envisaged Mickey Harte ever rocking up to Louth, nor Micko going to Laois and Wicklow. I admit being one of those who felt that the modern game had by-passed him towards the end of his reign, but one thing is for sure- our fundamental skill levels will surely improve, and our work-rate would be consistent across all games. Maybe unlikely, but has Wexford connections, and I see him as a stop-gap measure while blooding a successor within the setup.
Anthony Cunningham- very versatile coach who always struck me as a fella who takes no nonsense. Guided Garrycastle to an All Ireland club football final (where they were beaten by a black and amber dynastical team) and brought Galway to two All Ireland hurling final (where they were beaten by a black and amber dynsatical team twice). Won a Connacht with Roscommon. Is now with Portarlington so perhaps he is focused on football.
John Myler- I know his last tenure ended acrimoniously, but a lot of water has gone under the bridge since. Again, seems like a bread and butter figure, will definitely get intensity out of the lads. Seems to be able to adjust tactically game per game too. Having knowledge of the Wexford club scene stands him in good stead. Proper hurling man, regarded so highly in Cork he is in charge of a lot of their underage development.
Darragh O'Sullivan- guided Ballygunner to their All Ireland title a couple of years ago, playing a fantastic brand of hurling along the way. Interestingly, David Franks was part of that set-up and he is in with our under-20s at the moment. May be happy with his lot there, and wouldn't blame him.
Michael Fennelly- steadied the ship somewhat in his only intercounty post with Offaly. Probably lacks the experience a bit like Egan, but again he'd have the basics down to a tee. Would a Kilkenny man take the Wexford role though?
Liam Sheedy- mentioned here before. Maybe a consultancy role, doing his good mate a favour? Wouldn't be undermining Egan's position at all, and he might impart the small little things Egan hasn't learned yet.
We need someone who can tactically adapt to the opposition, can strike a balance between keeping us tight defensively but getting a tune out of Chin, ROC etc. Get more consistency in our performance. Get puck-out routines and general basics spot on. We also need someone who garners respect from the players in training but isn't too "pally" if you get me. Can't be going on the beer with them after matches and things like that- disconnect themselves from the socialising side." Good points beano but some of your suggested potential candidates for the hot seat would in my opinion could never happen.
Take Brian Cody for example. Remember the hostility that existed when Sheflin went to Galway.
He would be a hypocrite if he took the wexford job.
He's on the record saying that he would never manage another county. Can you imagine him on the line playing against wexford!!! Unthinkable.
I would support your views about Liam speedy.
His experience would be beneficial and could help in tweaking style of play, tactics etc. Although I don't think it's a runner as he has a comfortable slot on the Sunday game and I would think he's happy with that. Cunninglham or osullivan might be worth considering.
If Egan departs the scene then we can expect a great amount of names to be suggested.
It's vital that if we do go for a replacement that we get the right man.
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 301 - 01/06/2023 12:02:13
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Meant to say playing against Kilkenny, ( ref cody)
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 301 - 01/06/2023 12:07:29
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Replying To beano: "Was just thinking of a few external candidates, a couple left field choices, should, as expected, Egan steps away. Would be doing local lads a dis-service mentioning them with club campaigns around the corner:
Brian Cody. Yes he seems like Mr.Kilkenny. But no-one would have envisaged Mickey Harte ever rocking up to Louth, nor Micko going to Laois and Wicklow. I admit being one of those who felt that the modern game had by-passed him towards the end of his reign, but one thing is for sure- our fundamental skill levels will surely improve, and our work-rate would be consistent across all games. Maybe unlikely, but has Wexford connections, and I see him as a stop-gap measure while blooding a successor within the setup.
Anthony Cunningham- very versatile coach who always struck me as a fella who takes no nonsense. Guided Garrycastle to an All Ireland club football final (where they were beaten by a black and amber dynastical team) and brought Galway to two All Ireland hurling final (where they were beaten by a black and amber dynsatical team twice). Won a Connacht with Roscommon. Is now with Portarlington so perhaps he is focused on football.
John Myler- I know his last tenure ended acrimoniously, but a lot of water has gone under the bridge since. Again, seems like a bread and butter figure, will definitely get intensity out of the lads. Seems to be able to adjust tactically game per game too. Having knowledge of the Wexford club scene stands him in good stead. Proper hurling man, regarded so highly in Cork he is in charge of a lot of their underage development.
Darragh O'Sullivan- guided Ballygunner to their All Ireland title a couple of years ago, playing a fantastic brand of hurling along the way. Interestingly, David Franks was part of that set-up and he is in with our under-20s at the moment. May be happy with his lot there, and wouldn't blame him.
Michael Fennelly- steadied the ship somewhat in his only intercounty post with Offaly. Probably lacks the experience a bit like Egan, but again he'd have the basics down to a tee. Would a Kilkenny man take the Wexford role though?
Liam Sheedy- mentioned here before. Maybe a consultancy role, doing his good mate a favour? Wouldn't be undermining Egan's position at all, and he might impart the small little things Egan hasn't learned yet.
We need someone who can tactically adapt to the opposition, can strike a balance between keeping us tight defensively but getting a tune out of Chin, ROC etc. Get more consistency in our performance. Get puck-out routines and general basics spot on. We also need someone who garners respect from the players in training but isn't too "pally" if you get me. Can't be going on the beer with them after matches and things like that- disconnect themselves from the socialising side." John meyler took over st martins who were the county champions at the time and been in 4 of the previous 5 county finals. They were terrible under him and nearly got relegated. As soon as he went the martins were back in the final and a puck of a ball away from winning without some of their best players.
Waltermitty2 (Wexford) - Posts: 261 - 01/06/2023 12:40:05
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What about getting Seamus Murphy back in some capacity? He seems to do a good job wherever he lands up.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2663 - 01/06/2023 13:22:33
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Replying To tearintom: "Yep its a valid point.
I was told on sunday that it was between Joe Fortune and Darragh Egan back when Egan got the job and Egan was the preferred candidate. You could argue neither has pushed forward their credentials substantially subsequently.
The only caveat in that is the argument about expectations within both counties, what constitutes success in Westmeath is or at least should be very different to what constitutes success in Wexford.
If Egan remains then a tweaking of his backroom would not just be preferred but essential imho. The prospect of Sheedy coming in as advisor/selector etc is one thats interesting mind but not sure how viable it is." Surely Fortune did a good job with Westmeath with the resources they had, especially considering their injuries this season? I would have thought Antrim were a fair bit stronger than them. Fair enough, Westmeath supporters might have a different view.
I think he has served his time in multiple roles at club and county level and is the logical choice to be next up. Key is obviously the backroom staff he could pull together and trying to get the best players in the county to commit to the cause. I think the days of going outside the county should be at an end for a while, let's focus on what we have both players and coaches and get the best out of them.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 219 - 01/06/2023 13:52:57
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I still think Egans time is up.
Beginning to hear rumblings around the camp of indiscipline and being too friendly with the lads.
He hung the players twice in national media.
The treatment of dee is too much for me. Particularly when the dublin and Westmeath games were crying out for somebody of his experience to steady the ship.
I also can't understand why Richie or Charlie weren't introduced when Westmeath started getting on top in midfield, which is where the long balls game from.
Finally, the fact we were so dominant in those games but lost our confidence is physiological and purely rests with the managent team.
I'd rather see a wexford man in charge. We need somebody who understands how to get the best out of us.
I'd also note the pre match on Sunday.
I was slated for saying wexford songs were important and look what happened.
It's bigger than sport. It's a culture and and successful wexford man knows that. Griffin most of all with brave heart and the speeches.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2749 - 01/06/2023 14:04:39
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Match from the stand side
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdxldM-MgQc&ab_channel=VideosGorey
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 382 - 01/06/2023 14:06:15
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Replying To Magpie2: "Good points beano but some of your suggested potential candidates for the hot seat would in my opinion could never happen.
Take Brian Cody for example. Remember the hostility that existed when Sheflin went to Galway.
He would be a hypocrite if he took the wexford job.
He's on the record saying that he would never manage another county. Can you imagine him on the line playing against wexford!!! Unthinkable.
I would support your views about Liam speedy.
His experience would be beneficial and could help in tweaking style of play, tactics etc. Although I don't think it's a runner as he has a comfortable slot on the Sunday game and I would think he's happy with that. Cunninglham or osullivan might be worth considering.
If Egan departs the scene then we can expect a great amount of names to be suggested.
It's vital that if we do go for a replacement that we get the right man." I have no idea whether Darragh Egan will stay or go.
However whenever in the future that he does move on, I think it will be a Wexford man who takes over because we are geographically difficult to get to.
There's some mad statistics that Wexford are the only non contact Tipperary county to have won an Ireland in 85 years (Dublin in 1938). So experienced hurling men are further away. Those counties are Kilkenny, Offaly, Waterford, Tip, Clare, Cork, Galway and Limerick.
Clare, Cork, Galway and Limerick are too far away. Davy was an exception to travel that far. Other men won't travel that far to help another county.
I can't see any Kilkenny man wanting to manage Wexford - they would be hung drawn and quartered back on their own turf.
That leaves the likes of Waterford, Offaly or Tip lads. Waterford have their own battles right now, Offaly have their own challenges and that leaves Tip lads.
We currently have a Tip lad in Darragh Egan.
I think Sheedy wouldn't be interested in a stint as manager of a county as it's virtually a full time job and if he was to do it, it would be Tip again (but I doubt he will do it).
Hence why I think the next manager would be a Wexford man to succeed Darragh Egan whenever that would be in the future.
The onus is on us to develop our own managers because nobody else is coming to save us.
Punter72007 (Wexford) - Posts: 315 - 01/06/2023 14:19:14
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Replying To Doylerwex: "I still think Egans time is up.
Beginning to hear rumblings around the camp of indiscipline and being too friendly with the lads.
He hung the players twice in national media.
The treatment of dee is too much for me. Particularly when the dublin and Westmeath games were crying out for somebody of his experience to steady the ship.
I also can't understand why Richie or Charlie weren't introduced when Westmeath started getting on top in midfield, which is where the long balls game from.
Finally, the fact we were so dominant in those games but lost our confidence is physiological and purely rests with the managent team.
I'd rather see a wexford man in charge. We need somebody who understands how to get the best out of us.
I'd also note the pre match on Sunday.
I was slated for saying wexford songs were important and look what happened.
It's bigger than sport. It's a culture and and successful wexford man knows that. Griffin most of all with brave heart and the speeches." You cant understand why Charlie was not introduced? How many Wex matches have you been at the last 2 years?
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 644 - 01/06/2023 14:38:39
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Liam Sheedy who wanted a new line drawn and a new rule before the semi finals last year?
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1144 - 01/06/2023 14:48:51
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Replying To WEX98: "Match from the stand side
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdxldM-MgQc&ab_channel=VideosGorey" Watched the other one was a different angle to where I was. Thanks again WEX98!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12224 - 01/06/2023 15:21:06
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Replying To StoreysTash: "I would love to see Frank Flannery looked in to. He did a great job with Oulart and got them within a puck of a ball against Na Piarsaigh. If they had gotten over that, they would have won it.
One thing people need to see though is it is about more than a manager. Look at Limerick with Keily/Kinnerk, Tipp (and before Waterford) with Cahill/Bevans." Flannery is a great shout. He knows the Wexford scene well and has a track record of success.
wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 139 - 01/06/2023 15:27:04
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Replying To Waltermitty2: "John meyler took over st martins who were the county champions at the time and been in 4 of the previous 5 county finals. They were terrible under him and nearly got relegated. As soon as he went the martins were back in the final and a puck of a ball away from winning without some of their best players." He was double jobbing with Kilmoyley in Kerry that year too
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12224 - 01/06/2023 15:50:17
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "What about getting Seamus Murphy back in some capacity? He seems to do a good job wherever he lands up." He only seemed to pick lads from about 4 clubs the last time he was Wexford manager though Beano?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12224 - 01/06/2023 15:51:10
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