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Replying To Joe1: "There's some baloney on this site when it comes to trying to get rid of managers and select who the next person, who will eventually face the same treatment on this site, will be. Darragh Egan, who had key players carrying injuries all year, got all the blame for 19 sides against Dublin and for conceding 22 frees against Westmeath, but no praise for last Sundays fantastic display. Maybe I'm missing something, but will someone tell me, where's the logic in that thinking?" Its called the Wexford bandwagon. The negativity down here is poison. countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 643 - 31/05/2023 11:56:10 2483130 Link
Replying To Joe1: "There's some baloney on this site when it comes to trying to get rid of managers and select who the next person, who will eventually face the same treatment on this site, will be. Darragh Egan, who had key players carrying injuries all year, got all the blame for 19 sides against Dublin and for conceding 22 frees against Westmeath, but no praise for last Sundays fantastic display. Maybe I'm missing something, but will someone tell me, where's the logic in that thinking?" It's a forum. For discussion. Nothing on this site is going to influence whether Darragh Egan stays or goes, or who his replacement might be if he does go. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12053 - 31/05/2023 11:57:09 2483131 Link
According to an article today the county chairman said a review on the season will begin next week chaired by Adrian Fenlon. Players and management will be involved in the process. I do expect will we be looking for a new management team but who knows. I do hope its resolved by July as we need a management team in place to look at our club championships Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 31/05/2023 12:02:15 2483134 Link
Replying To ExiledInWex: "To be fair if I remember right he did manage a very good minor team to Leinster success in 07 or 08 and a good Boden team in 18, and a 21's team with Cian Boland, Sean Treacy, and a few more. That semi final v Galway was one that got away albeit I think that was the year Westmeath beat Eddie Brennan managed Kilkenny in the 1st round. Like every other coach, you hear good and bad but I would not think he really came in to the reckoning for the Dublin job. People need to be wary about the "well he did a good job with Westmeath" based on their record v Wexford. I haven't seen them play but their record v others were hammerings, albeit there is the silk purse sows ear story. Lots on northside Dublin do rate him highly so who knows." In fairness to him he got Westmeath up to division 1 and kept them there this year, and kept them in the Liam McCarthy last year. He was missing 2 of his best players in Doyle and Clarke for the entire championship this year. As regards maybe being suitable for the job he has good broad ranged managing and coaching experience. I know that doesn't neccessarily mean he is definitely right for the job. But he's probably the best qualified Wexford man for the job. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12053 - 31/05/2023 12:04:42 2483135 Link
Replying To hunting: "I know for a fact that at least 6 players would prefer someone else over the team, so I dont know where you are getting all the players like Egan" What the players care would be a long way down the list of priorities in determining the next manager for me. I'd say a lot of them wouldn't mind Davy back if asked! Don't care if Egan was the worst manager in history, losing to Westmeath with a 17 point lead is firmly on the senior players in that team. I'm firmly of the view that Egan's position is untenable by the way but we need changes across the board. Can't use the KK result last weekend to gloss over the rot that has set into the senior setup. Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 214 - 31/05/2023 12:05:50 2483136 Link
Replying To Viking66: "It's a forum. For discussion. Nothing on this site is going to influence whether Darragh Egan stays or goes, or who his replacement might be if he does go." Nail on the head viking. Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 280 - 31/05/2023 12:49:22 2483148 Link
I'd keep Egan on for next year. WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 381 - 31/05/2023 13:47:14 2483157 Link
Replying To WEX98: "I'd keep Egan on for next year." I'm not going to lose any sleep if he stays. And it's not as if there are a huge number of obvious candidates who would take the job either. I do agree with Afinestick that whoever is going to be the manager for 2024 needs to be in place for the club championships. And that they and their management team get to as many games as possible. We could do with new players putting their hand up and then those players being noticed. Especially lads who can win their own ball, lads with real pace in all 4 corners of the pitch, and maybe a couple of goalkeepers to bring into the set up and get a good look at as regards puckouts especially. Some competition for Lawlor. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12053 - 31/05/2023 14:15:28 2483168 Link
Maybe one more year and could Liam sheedy be persuaded to lend some advice along the way. gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 636 - 31/05/2023 14:31:38 2483174 Link
Replying To Timbertony: "Fair enough! Lots of the experienced players were effectively given the league off and still weren't right for the championship. Something badly wrong." The could be because the injuries they have just need more time and no matter how good an S&C, each injury has a life of its own and the player themselves have a massive part to play in it. However its a question that needs to be asked in a review. zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 31/05/2023 14:34:13 2483175 Link
I am sitting on the fence on the manager part, simply because I do not know what was going on behind the scenes. That is what a proper review needs to address and I would hope that it is something that would be published but I am not holding my breath on that one. Personally, I thought after the Walsh Cup final in 2021 something was wrong, if we want to be a top team we should not be taking beatings like that, even if half the first team is missing. My memory from that game was no gameplan and I think for a lot of people that was the concern throughout the two years - what is the plan? I suspect he was trying to change us from a single gameplan that we had under Davey to a Plan B and C type team and perhaps it was resistance of players to change, perhaps we just don't have the players or it was the communication of that to the players - who knows but if a review is held, we deserve to know the conclusions. zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 31/05/2023 14:48:44 2483179 Link
What would people prefer? (These are the two options what I see as the most likely to happen) A. Egan stays for 2024, A number of players leave the panel/retire, Mogie, Kevin Foley, Dee etc. which in turn gives maybe 3/4 of the u20s from this year a chance a call up for championship? B. A new manager comes in, 3 names most mentioned among fans are Ruth/Rossiter/Joe Fortune, with the likelihood of this years panel continuing on? OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 64 - 31/05/2023 16:06:46 2483209 Link
Replying To OpenStandWall: "What would people prefer? (These are the two options what I see as the most likely to happen) A. Egan stays for 2024, A number of players leave the panel/retire, Mogie, Kevin Foley, Dee etc. which in turn gives maybe 3/4 of the u20s from this year a chance a call up for championship? B. A new manager comes in, 3 names most mentioned among fans are Ruth/Rossiter/Joe Fortune, with the likelihood of this years panel continuing on?" Not sure 3/4 of this year's u20s would be ready for regular Senior intercounty by next year. Let alone starting championship games. They will only be 20 at the start of next year. Foley and Byrne maybe. Likely be a while until some of last years u20s become regular starters tbh. I wonder would AJ and Molloy commit if we have a new manager? And Gavin Bailey? Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12053 - 31/05/2023 16:17:27 2483213 Link
https://wexfordweekly.com/2023/05/31/six-options-for-the-wexford-senior-hurling-managerial-position/ If Ruth/Fenlon are a candidate for the next management doesn't that put Fenlon in an awkward position as chair of the review committee? Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12053 - 31/05/2023 16:40:41 2483220 Link
Can anybody tell me why there is no black spot on the goals in wexford park? Waltermitty2 (Wexford) - Posts: 261 - 31/05/2023 17:15:12 2483230 Link
Replying To gahfan: "Maybe one more year and could Liam sheedy be persuaded to lend some advice along the way." The two have worked together before so maybe that could be an option Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 31/05/2023 17:27:45 2483236 Link
Replying To Joe1: "There's some baloney on this site when it comes to trying to get rid of managers and select who the next person, who will eventually face the same treatment on this site, will be. Darragh Egan, who had key players carrying injuries all year, got all the blame for 19 sides against Dublin and for conceding 22 frees against Westmeath, but no praise for last Sundays fantastic display. Maybe I'm missing something, but will someone tell me, where's the logic in that thinking?" Well lets look at the logic! 2022: National League: Unbeaten through the group stage winning 5 out of 5 losing semi final, 1 loss in total with a scoring difference of +24 through the group stage to 2023 National League: Complete flip winning 1 out of 5 and avoiding relegation playoff by virtue of 1 win against Westmeath with a scoring difference in the group stage of -32 which was even bettered by Antrim in 1B 2022: Leinster/Liam Mc Carthy Championship: 2 wins/2 draws and 1 loss leaving Wexford in 3rd place with 6 points and scoring difference of + 20 meaning Wexford qualify in 3rd place winning their preliminary quarter final and losing narrowly to Clare in All Ireland Quarter final to 2023: 2 wins/3 losses leaving Wexford in 4th place with 4 points and a scoring difference of -4, losing to Westmeath for the first time since the 40's and going from being literally a puck of a ball away from an AI semi final to literally a puck of a ball away from relegation to the Joe Mc Donagh! How anyone can look at that rate of regression within 12 months and not think, ehmm maybe we need to be asking a few questions here is beyond me and beyond all logic in my humble opinion. Everyone has injuries to deal with, its part nd parcel of the game and a lame excuse but if anyone headed up organisation that showed that level of regression and wasnt having questions asked then somethings wrong! Is it all on the manager, of course not but ultimately hes the man in charge, thats sport at the top level, or at least it should be for anyone aspiring to be at the top level, maybe thats one of our problems in Wexford cos if we can excuse that level of regression then anything goes. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1351 - 31/05/2023 18:56:18 2483251 Link
Replying To WEX98: "Try this lads https://youtu.be/_0311yO-Qy0" That's great WEX98 thanks for that! Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12053 - 01/06/2023 07:43:16 2483283 Link
Was just thinking of a few external candidates, a couple left field choices, should, as expected, Egan steps away. Would be doing local lads a dis-service mentioning them with club campaigns around the corner: Brian Cody. Yes he seems like Mr.Kilkenny. But no-one would have envisaged Mickey Harte ever rocking up to Louth, nor Micko going to Laois and Wicklow. I admit being one of those who felt that the modern game had by-passed him towards the end of his reign, but one thing is for sure- our fundamental skill levels will surely improve, and our work-rate would be consistent across all games. Maybe unlikely, but has Wexford connections, and I see him as a stop-gap measure while blooding a successor within the setup. Anthony Cunningham- very versatile coach who always struck me as a fella who takes no nonsense. Guided Garrycastle to an All Ireland club football final (where they were beaten by a black and amber dynastical team) and brought Galway to two All Ireland hurling final (where they were beaten by a black and amber dynsatical team twice). Won a Connacht with Roscommon. Is now with Portarlington so perhaps he is focused on football. John Myler- I know his last tenure ended acrimoniously, but a lot of water has gone under the bridge since. Again, seems like a bread and butter figure, will definitely get intensity out of the lads. Seems to be able to adjust tactically game per game too. Having knowledge of the Wexford club scene stands him in good stead. Proper hurling man, regarded so highly in Cork he is in charge of a lot of their underage development. Darragh O'Sullivan- guided Ballygunner to their All Ireland title a couple of years ago, playing a fantastic brand of hurling along the way. Interestingly, David Franks was part of that set-up and he is in with our under-20s at the moment. May be happy with his lot there, and wouldn't blame him. Michael Fennelly- steadied the ship somewhat in his only intercounty post with Offaly. Probably lacks the experience a bit like Egan, but again he'd have the basics down to a tee. Would a Kilkenny man take the Wexford role though? Liam Sheedy- mentioned here before. Maybe a consultancy role, doing his good mate a favour? Wouldn't be undermining Egan's position at all, and he might impart the small little things Egan hasn't learned yet. We need someone who can tactically adapt to the opposition, can strike a balance between keeping us tight defensively but getting a tune out of Chin, ROC etc. Get more consistency in our performance. Get puck-out routines and general basics spot on. We also need someone who garners respect from the players in training but isn't too "pally" if you get me. Can't be going on the beer with them after matches and things like that- disconnect themselves from the socialising side. beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1422 - 01/06/2023 10:46:50 2483315 Link
Replying To tearintom: "Well lets look at the logic! 2022: National League: Unbeaten through the group stage winning 5 out of 5 losing semi final, 1 loss in total with a scoring difference of +24 through the group stage to 2023 National League: Complete flip winning 1 out of 5 and avoiding relegation playoff by virtue of 1 win against Westmeath with a scoring difference in the group stage of -32 which was even bettered by Antrim in 1B 2022: Leinster/Liam Mc Carthy Championship: 2 wins/2 draws and 1 loss leaving Wexford in 3rd place with 6 points and scoring difference of + 20 meaning Wexford qualify in 3rd place winning their preliminary quarter final and losing narrowly to Clare in All Ireland Quarter final to 2023: 2 wins/3 losses leaving Wexford in 4th place with 4 points and a scoring difference of -4, losing to Westmeath for the first time since the 40's and going from being literally a puck of a ball away from an AI semi final to literally a puck of a ball away from relegation to the Joe Mc Donagh! How anyone can look at that rate of regression within 12 months and not think, ehmm maybe we need to be asking a few questions here is beyond me and beyond all logic in my humble opinion. Everyone has injuries to deal with, its part nd parcel of the game and a lame excuse but if anyone headed up organisation that showed that level of regression and wasnt having questions asked then somethings wrong! Is it all on the manager, of course not but ultimately hes the man in charge, thats sport at the top level, or at least it should be for anyone aspiring to be at the top level, maybe thats one of our problems in Wexford cos if we can excuse that level of regression then anything goes." People mentioning joe fortune as possible Wexford manager. We cannot be selecting managers purely on the basis he's from Wexford. You could argue Westmeath regressed this year under fortune even allowing for the win v Wexford. They were beaten out the gate in their other 4 matches and should've been by Wexford as well. Relegated to joe mcdonagh. What would everyone be saying about his Wexford prospects then?The bottom line is we have to get better than the guy you're replacing. Ideally I'd prefer a Wexford man to be manager but don't see anyone there at the moment. Maybe if Egan tweaked his back room team it would improve things. HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 483 - 01/06/2023 10:48:26 2483317 Link