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Wexford Intercounty Hurling 2023

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Replying To WEX98:  "There's a full recording of the game.
Should be able to share during the week."
Try this lads

https://youtu.be/_0311yO-Qy0

WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 505 - 30/05/2023 22:58:43    2483050

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If we are to keep Egan I would like him to bring JJ Doyle in to the fold as assistant manager and have Keith Rositter with a part time role also while continuing his U20 role.

Then we need the likes of Bernard Dunne or Billy Walsh brought in to add to the S& C and the best sports psychologist in the country.

Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 31/05/2023 00:13:14    2483055

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Actually thinking about it some more maybe Tom Mullaly would manage our Senior team he managed our good u21 team in 2018.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 31/05/2023 07:05:27    2483057

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Actually thinking about it some more maybe Tom Mullaly would manage our Senior team he managed our good u21 team in 2018, many of whom are now on our Senior panel.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 31/05/2023 07:06:49    2483058

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Replying To Magpie2:  "Why do so many posters refer to the Clare league game so much? Cast your minds back to that day.
We were ravaged with injuries. Clare were short one or two but hugely stronger than us.
If Clare were hit by injuries as much as us and we had nearly a full strength side then surely we would have won with something to spare..
Our team was composed of guys with little or no intercounty experience. It was like a senior club team playing a junior or lowly intermediate team.
Unfair to critisise the hammering we got.
Remember too that during the league and round Robin some of our key players cried off during games or before. Egan hasn't got a magic wand and throw lads in with limited gametime and expect good results. The main thing now is that plans and structure are put in place for next year and hope and pray that we are not
hit by injuries as much as this year.
By all accounts the players like Egan. Chin went as far as saying he was brilliant.
I was one of many who asked for him to be axed..
But now I believe he should stay.
If we were to look for a replacement I think it would be a difficult task. Who is out there, be it local or outside the county that is available?
They are either managing or were managing and were sacked because of failure at top level.
Some will say maybe Keith Rositter should get the job. I disagree, let him stay with te u20s for another year and then he may well be the man for the job. Darragh for another year is probably the best bet. He does need to shuffle the deck a bit and try different tactics but he has surely learnt from mistakes made this year. If any lads out there have comments about the above I would love to hear them."
I think Lee says that about manager to be fair, he was a huge fan of Davy alway publicly backing him and also he said said he had great time for Liam Dunne aswel.

He is just a positive chap.

There is no covering over the loss to Westmeath in any other ambitious county you would out the gate if a loss to Westmeath was the deciding factor in you exiting the championship.

Egan obviously will do anything to hold onto this job as he knows he won't get another decent inter county job after the Westmeath fiasco.

Just my opinion!

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 925 - 31/05/2023 09:20:05    2483066

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Replying To Magpie2:  "Why do so many posters refer to the Clare league game so much? Cast your minds back to that day.
We were ravaged with injuries. Clare were short one or two but hugely stronger than us.
If Clare were hit by injuries as much as us and we had nearly a full strength side then surely we would have won with something to spare..
Our team was composed of guys with little or no intercounty experience. It was like a senior club team playing a junior or lowly intermediate team.
Unfair to critisise the hammering we got.
Remember too that during the league and round Robin some of our key players cried off during games or before. Egan hasn't got a magic wand and throw lads in with limited gametime and expect good results. The main thing now is that plans and structure are put in place for next year and hope and pray that we are not
hit by injuries as much as this year.
By all accounts the players like Egan. Chin went as far as saying he was brilliant.
I was one of many who asked for him to be axed..
But now I believe he should stay.
If we were to look for a replacement I think it would be a difficult task. Who is out there, be it local or outside the county that is available?
They are either managing or were managing and were sacked because of failure at top level.
Some will say maybe Keith Rositter should get the job. I disagree, let him stay with te u20s for another year and then he may well be the man for the job. Darragh for another year is probably the best bet. He does need to shuffle the deck a bit and try different tactics but he has surely learnt from mistakes made this year. If any lads out there have comments about the above I would love to hear them."
Got to disagree with you on the Clare game - ravaged by injuries is one thing but getting hammered and some lads not even raising a gallop is another thing .. similiar to Galway league game in the 2nd half .. Egan pretty much came out and said lads got their chance in both of these games and made zero impact so would more than likely see no more game time this year.
If we are right or wrong to keep Egan I do think he won't be retained and it will be interesting to see who makes the decision.

MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 182 - 31/05/2023 09:46:19    2483070

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Replying To Yellow:  "If we are to keep Egan I would like him to bring JJ Doyle in to the fold as assistant manager and have Keith Rositter with a part time role also while continuing his U20 role.

Then we need the likes of Bernard Dunne or Billy Walsh brought in to add to the S& C and the best sports psychologist in the country."
JJ seems to split opinion, I've not experience of him but some people rate him and others do not. One thing for sure is we need a coaching development pathway just as much as we need this for players, we have to start 'growing our own' managers in a planned and effective way.

wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 92 - 31/05/2023 10:01:41    2483074

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Replying To hunting:  "I know for a fact that at least 6 players would prefer someone else over the team, so I dont know where you are getting all the players like Egan"
That's what I heard too

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 31/05/2023 10:06:24    2483075

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Replying To Viking66:  "Wexford men-
Fortune- Good intercounty and club experience
Rossiter- young coach but is he experienced enough yet? Would he be another Egan? Think he should stay with the u20s if he wants that job and get more experienced.
Ruth- good club manager
JJ- Had intercounty success with the u21s and camogie teams. Will get a look at his coaching 1st hand 2moro nite!!!
Travers- still gaining experience in Dublin.
Storey- iconic player and real hurling mad but maybe man management skills let him down?
Meyler- maybe out of date now?
Others-
Sheedy- great man manager but possibly tactically behind the times? Maybe just the man to get our lads playing their best every game though.
Cody- the best ever. Like Sheedy a great man manager. Far tactically cuter than anyone ever gave him credit for too. Elsie Walsh is from Wexford. But would he manage us against Kilkenny? Hard to see it.
Eddie Brennan- hope not.
Tom Mullaly- great manager and probably the only other Kilkenny man apart from Cody I'd like to see get the job. But like Cody would he do it?"
Looking at that Joe Fortune and Tom Mullaly are the only good options. Joe Fortune id imagine would jump at the chance to manage Wexford. Would think Tom Mullaly is unlikely to jump ship from Carlow given they will be competing in the Leinster Championship next year. I wouldnt be in favour of another big name outside manager like Sheedy

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 31/05/2023 10:19:21    2483082

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Replying To Viking66:  "Do ALL the players feel the same as Lee though?"
One thing I can tell you Viking66. If I was an unused sub v Westmeath and sat through 25 minutes of that second half car crash before 1 change was made I would leave the scene if he was brought back.

You get a good bit of slack in the first year, drawing with Westmeath up there and losing to Dublin at home were both papered over by an epic win in Nowlan Park. Yet both of these results were worse this year than last. Did he not learn from these results? Wexford conceded the puck out time and again v Dublin last year and it bit them on the backside. And did the same again this year.

I think Wexford regressed this year, not progressed and they are not as bad as the Joe McDonagh cup teams yet were a puck of a ball away from ending up playing there.
You can't afford to make the same mistake again.

Some posters are notable in their silence.....

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1337 - 31/05/2023 11:10:53    2483105

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Timbertony, Wexford in the last year appointed a new head of S&C, in fact possibly in the last 6 months? And 2 other people to overlook S&C I think.
It'd be a bit soon to fire them all!

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1337 - 31/05/2023 11:20:43    2483111

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Replying To Afinestick:  "Looking at that Joe Fortune and Tom Mullaly are the only good options. Joe Fortune id imagine would jump at the chance to manage Wexford. Would think Tom Mullaly is unlikely to jump ship from Carlow given they will be competing in the Leinster Championship next year. I wouldnt be in favour of another big name outside manager like Sheedy"
Fortune would be the worst possible choice. Exiled may know more but the feedback in Dublin was he wouldn't be anywhere near getting a Dublin job despite being part of the underage systems. He abandoned tactics at half time v Wexford which makes you think why the hell he didn't set the team up that way in the first place.

Would outside managers jump at taking the job?

wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 191 - 31/05/2023 11:23:02    2483112

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There's some baloney on this site when it comes to trying to get rid of managers and select who the next person, who will eventually face the same treatment on this site, will be.
Darragh Egan, who had key players carrying injuries all year, got all the blame for 19 sides against Dublin and for conceding 22 frees against Westmeath, but no praise for last Sundays fantastic display. Maybe I'm missing something, but will someone tell me, where's the logic in that thinking?

Joe1 (Kildare) - Posts: 52 - 31/05/2023 11:24:47    2483113

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I will look back at the team but unless I am recalling something wrong, that Clare team still had 8-9-10 established players? It was not the u20 team they put out.
I suppose rumours are abound and lots of them, and it would be unfair to post what I heard about his man management of the squad and extended squad.
But its a results game at the end of the day. Who have Wexford beaten in the last 2 years in championship, Kilkenny twice, Antrim once, drew with Galway once, Laois?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1337 - 31/05/2023 11:24:49    2483114

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "One thing I can tell you Viking66. If I was an unused sub v Westmeath and sat through 25 minutes of that second half car crash before 1 change was made I would leave the scene if he was brought back.

You get a good bit of slack in the first year, drawing with Westmeath up there and losing to Dublin at home were both papered over by an epic win in Nowlan Park. Yet both of these results were worse this year than last. Did he not learn from these results? Wexford conceded the puck out time and again v Dublin last year and it bit them on the backside. And did the same again this year.

I think Wexford regressed this year, not progressed and they are not as bad as the Joe McDonagh cup teams yet were a puck of a ball away from ending up playing there.
You can't afford to make the same mistake again.

Some posters are notable in their silence....."
'Some posters are notable in their silence....."

Don't know who this is pointed at but personally work is very busy at the moment so that's why I haven't here much the last few days.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 31/05/2023 11:31:50    2483118

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "One thing I can tell you Viking66. If I was an unused sub v Westmeath and sat through 25 minutes of that second half car crash before 1 change was made I would leave the scene if he was brought back.

You get a good bit of slack in the first year, drawing with Westmeath up there and losing to Dublin at home were both papered over by an epic win in Nowlan Park. Yet both of these results were worse this year than last. Did he not learn from these results? Wexford conceded the puck out time and again v Dublin last year and it bit them on the backside. And did the same again this year.

I think Wexford regressed this year, not progressed and they are not as bad as the Joe McDonagh cup teams yet were a puck of a ball away from ending up playing there.
You can't afford to make the same mistake again.

Some posters are notable in their silence....."
I'm firmly of the view we need a new manager. Like Afinestick I'd be leaning towards Fortune or Mulally.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 31/05/2023 11:34:28    2483119

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Replying To wexfordwin:  "Fortune would be the worst possible choice. Exiled may know more but the feedback in Dublin was he wouldn't be anywhere near getting a Dublin job despite being part of the underage systems. He abandoned tactics at half time v Wexford which makes you think why the hell he didn't set the team up that way in the first place.

Would outside managers jump at taking the job?"
To be fair if I remember right he did manage a very good minor team to Leinster success in 07 or 08 and a good Boden team in 18, and a 21's team with Cian Boland, Sean Treacy, and a few more. That semi final v Galway was one that got away albeit I think that was the year Westmeath beat Eddie Brennan managed Kilkenny in the 1st round.
Like every other coach, you hear good and bad but I would not think he really came in to the reckoning for the Dublin job.
People need to be wary about the "well he did a good job with Westmeath" based on their record v Wexford. I haven't seen them play but their record v others were hammerings, albeit there is the silk purse sows ear story.
Lots on northside Dublin do rate him highly so who knows.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1337 - 31/05/2023 11:40:56    2483122

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Timbertony, Wexford in the last year appointed a new head of S&C, in fact possibly in the last 6 months? And 2 other people to overlook S&C I think.
It'd be a bit soon to fire them all!"
Fair enough! Lots of the experienced players were effectively given the league off and still weren't right for the championship. Something badly wrong.

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 402 - 31/05/2023 11:50:52    2483125

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Replying To Joe1:  "There's some baloney on this site when it comes to trying to get rid of managers and select who the next person, who will eventually face the same treatment on this site, will be.
Darragh Egan, who had key players carrying injuries all year, got all the blame for 19 sides against Dublin and for conceding 22 frees against Westmeath, but no praise for last Sundays fantastic display. Maybe I'm missing something, but will someone tell me, where's the logic in that thinking?"
I'm not blaming him for wides or conceded frees. As manager his primary job is to select, set up tactically, manage in game changes, and motivate a group of lads to go out and win a hurling game.
I missed the Dublin game on account of a family function but watched it on GAAGO. And then watched it back again. Apart from that I've been to every game the Senior hurlers have played this year, including the challenge game against Waterford.
Apart from the League game against Cork and the last game we just didn't look like we had our best available team out, playing injured lads and "resting" uninjured lads like Dee (selection), we played a very simple gameplan with no variation apart from occasionally having a sweeper and occasionally not (set up tactically), we left lads on who were obviously injured or tired, and either couldn't or wouldn't vary our shape much (in game management), and had 4 out of 5 performances where the lads were visibly not at the pitch they were at in the 5th (motivate a group of lads).
As regards his performance in the League at the time I thought he was doing the right thing. And still do now. If we do get a new manager they will benefit from the way Egan approached the League as regards giving lads real gametime, not just having them on the panel to provide opposition for in house training games. Although it would've been better for them had he provided a better structure tactically to help them succeed. In particular we don't have many big players. We largely have smaller fast skilful players. His persistence with only long puckouts was frankly baffling, although it has to be remembered that several of Clares goals came from poorly executed short puck outs. But then he's the manager. There's a few good club keepers he could have called up over the last couple of years.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 31/05/2023 11:51:13    2483126

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I will look back at the team but unless I am recalling something wrong, that Clare team still had 8-9-10 established players? It was not the u20 team they put out.
I suppose rumours are abound and lots of them, and it would be unfair to post what I heard about his man management of the squad and extended squad.
But its a results game at the end of the day. Who have Wexford beaten in the last 2 years in championship, Kilkenny twice, Antrim once, drew with Galway once, Laois?"
Im nearly sure all of that team Clare had starting in the Park have started championship games for them this year, except perhaps O'Connell. It was a very strong side. Most of the subs that day have appeared for them this championship also.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 31/05/2023 11:55:27    2483129

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