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Replying To wexfordwin: "Your last two lines sum it all up. It is on everyone to lift Wexford hurling. Ironically in recent years the small football minority have shouted loudest and probably got more. The point made about the Wexford underage season being from April to September to fit in two codes is important and apparently it is clubs who resist change as they are afraid players will be playing other sports.
I read an article in the Irish Times this morning which is worth reading. You can change the chairman, manager and anyone else but will it make a fundamental change. The view I have heard from people who know is that our current leadership is a massive step up from a ten years ago. It is also probably true to say that what we sowed ten years ago is being reaped today with the lack of talent between 20 and 24.
Anyway we need 10,000 and more there this weekend screaming for every ball." 100% agree with this, the seeds of this were sown many years ago when we'd people playing politics with the organisation, coaching was a shambles, finances a shambles. The last two chairman have been different animals. Not really politicians, people who a strong track record of doing the hard unseen work (fixtures committee for example.
Michaél Martin is just the man who is left hold the reins when the music stopped. By all means I support accountability but would caution against witch hunts or driving good people away.
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Replying To Magpie2: "The problems you outline are true. A lot of pressure on lads to play sport at the highest level coupled with all the other things going on in their lives. Fact is though, all the top counties are faced with the same issues. It's not just a Wexford thing.
It hasn't prevented Limerick, Cork, Tipperary, Clare, Galway or Kilkenny playing at the highest level.
They aren't facing relegation to the Joe Mc Donagh. Our problems are quite simply that we haven't got enough quality players. Staleness and lacking in ideas. The new lads brought in are either not good enough or too inexperienced.
You also have to factor in our poor management team. We may have a few difficult seasons to follow. Improvement will only come about if some of our under 20s come of age and get to grips with playing senior.
A change of manager is an absolute must. Who that might be I don't know. Perhaps Joe Fortune or
Keith Rositter. A Wexford man with real passion is what we need. Not Mercenaries looking to make the quick buck. It could be a long road back but with the right approach it might be sooner than we think." I don't know Egan but I think he came to Wexford with the best of intentions, looking to burnish his coaching credentials with the ultimate aim of returning at some point as Tipp boss. I think saying he's here 'for a quick buck' is deeply unfair.
wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 53 - 23/05/2023 14:22:52
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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin: "How are they the exceptions that prove the rule?? They all concentrate on one sport at county level and have had hugely successful careers in football without it effecting their intervounty career....wouldn't you call that disproving the rule...I agree with you on lots of things but youre stretching with that one. More excuses and weak excuse. Football at such a low ebb with interest in this county and you try say it's a reason when all these other counties are able to do it at higher levels..." Friends in Limerick, Clare, Cork, Kilkenny, Dublin and Galway have all flagged it up as a reason. They can't believe how little top level adult hurling our club players do. Only 1 month in the case of the Oylegate and Crossabeg lads last year for example. Plus a little Hutling League action in the spring too, the standard of which is quite poor tbh. I never said it was the only reason for poor performances, but it still might be one.
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Replying To wexfordwin: "You are right about enjoyment. I know some parents of players and they are avoiding people this week I am sure. The pressure won`t ease next year as there will be pressure to get back up if we go down. If we stay up, the pressure next year may be less as expectations are low but in championship could you be confident of going away to Offaly/Westmeath/Kilkenny and beating Galway and Dublin at home?
The atmosphere in the county is toxic after being driven by local radio and now social media with people who have been at one game in 5 years suddenly experts. When you see a former mayor commenting about a lack of support for football and camogie from wexford gaa you know the craziness has set in.
We could lose managers, selectors players and adminsitrators at the end of the season. The question is do we have replacements?" Top level sport comes with pressure! If anything we are far too tolerant of lax standards and poor performances. All year performances have been dreadful but the message was wait for Leinster. Then the message after a non performance in Salthill was wait until we have everyone back fit. Leaving aside the county board, poor support and a poor manager, only one cohort are responsible for the unacceptable collapse last weekend and that is the experienced core of our senior hurlers. Jackie Tyrrell has laid it on the line for them publicly. Let there be no debate as that's exactly what it was. As it was with the Waterford league semi final defeat last year, Westmeath draw last year, Clare in the league this year. Even the second half v Antrim was shocking really, same half ***** attitude.
If you look at it, there has been huge investment in this group over many years, outside managers/coaching staff, best of facilities, training trips to Portugal! Ive never heard many complaints about team preparation or how players are looked after. If football got even a decent fraction of the resources the hurlers get, I expect we would be comfortably in Div 2.
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Replying To Viking66: "Friends in Limerick, Clare, Cork, Kilkenny, Dublin and Galway have all flagged it up as a reason. They can't believe how little top level adult hurling our club players do. Only 1 month in the case of the Oylegate and Crossabeg lads last year for example. Plus a little Hutling League action in the spring too, the standard of which is quite poor tbh. I never said it was the only reason for poor performances, but it still might be one." That's a completely different reason than blaming playing football as the reason. The footballers have way more reasons to blame hurling holing them back in this county. I'm sure football people in other counties are shocked how little they play in this county too. I know in Galway and Limerick some yesrs they've only get 4 guaranteed champioship games too. It's problem all over the country to get club players more meaningful games. The club league has been as low a priority it most counties I can tell, it's the same hand for most counties, it's how you deal with them and if it's such a problem we need to change up our structure, most counties run it on an every second week basis or go two weeks on, two weeks off. Everyone else seems to mange, players would rather play games than 3 training sessions in-between games.
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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin: "That's a completely different reason than blaming playing football as the reason. The footballers have way more reasons to blame hurling holing them back in this county. I'm sure football people in other counties are shocked how little they play in this county too. I know in Galway and Limerick some yesrs they've only get 4 guaranteed champioship games too. It's problem all over the country to get club players more meaningful games. The club league has been as low a priority it most counties I can tell, it's the same hand for most counties, it's how you deal with them and if it's such a problem we need to change up our structure, most counties run it on an every second week basis or go two weeks on, two weeks off. Everyone else seems to mange, players would rather play games than 3 training sessions in-between games." I never once blamed football or the footballers. We coach our u12s exactly 50/50 between hurling and football. I've brought our lads to see the Senior Footballers this year several times. Last club championship they went to nearly as many club football games as hurling ones, the only reason they went to less football was because the lads only got to the semifinal in the football and reached the final in the hurling.
To give an example of what I'm talking about one of the lads is a Crokes man. He pointed out to me that only 1 lad played on both their football and hurling teams. All of ours do in our club this year. 1 lad did only play football last year but he's hurling again this year as well. It's being true to the original ethos of the GAA. Obviously, assuming our lads train the same number of hours a week as a lad who plays for Ballyhale, O'Loughlin Gaels, Ballygunner, Mount Sion, St Thomas, Loughrea, Glen Rovers, Ballyea, for talks sake, they are actually only doing half the hurling training.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11715 - 23/05/2023 15:27:21
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Replying To Viking66: "I never once blamed football or the footballers. We coach our u12s exactly 50/50 between hurling and football. I've brought our lads to see the Senior Footballers this year several times. Last club championship they went to nearly as many club football games as hurling ones, the only reason they went to less football was because the lads only got to the semifinal in the football and reached the final in the hurling.
To give an example of what I'm talking about one of the lads is a Crokes man. He pointed out to me that only 1 lad played on both their football and hurling teams. All of ours do in our club this year. 1 lad did only play football last year but he's hurling again this year as well. It's being true to the original ethos of the GAA. Obviously, assuming our lads train the same number of hours a week as a lad who plays for Ballyhale, O'Loughlin Gaels, Ballygunner, Mount Sion, St Thomas, Loughrea, Glen Rovers, Ballyea, for talks sake, they are actually only doing half the hurling training." I don't think the super clubs in Dublin Crokes, Cuala, Na Fianna and Ballyboden are a fair comparison as there numbers are so vast, Loughmore would be a good comparison for me, the difference is to me is that their an outlier in Tipperary where as teams competing strong on both fronts is commonplace in Wexford.
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Replying To Viking66: "I never once blamed football or the footballers. We coach our u12s exactly 50/50 between hurling and football. I've brought our lads to see the Senior Footballers this year several times. Last club championship they went to nearly as many club football games as hurling ones, the only reason they went to less football was because the lads only got to the semifinal in the football and reached the final in the hurling.
To give an example of what I'm talking about one of the lads is a Crokes man. He pointed out to me that only 1 lad played on both their football and hurling teams. All of ours do in our club this year. 1 lad did only play football last year but he's hurling again this year as well. It's being true to the original ethos of the GAA. Obviously, assuming our lads train the same number of hours a week as a lad who plays for Ballyhale, O'Loughlin Gaels, Ballygunner, Mount Sion, St Thomas, Loughrea, Glen Rovers, Ballyea, for talks sake, they are actually only doing half the hurling training." Ballyea, you'll find the majority of their players play football and football with a feew different clubs to make it even more difficult from a logistics point of view, hasn't effected them. Imagine how difficult that was growing up for them trying to play both for all these different clubs. I'd say they had as many if not more county footballers as hurlers, didn't see them blaming their all Ireland or munster losses on not having enough prep because of football. It's very easy use that excuse without it having that much substance. Loughrea were able to get a senior club all ireland final in hirling and a junior club all ireland in football within a year of each other and i didnt hear them blame a lack of prep on either. The football chapionship in this countu can be won depending on the interest of levels of certain hirlers if they want to bother playing or not...St Martins winning and then getting relegated pretty close together and no one batted an eye.
Ballygunner and Mt Sion have both, not everyone bit some, didn't Dessie Hutchinson play intervounty football just 4 years ago. Slughtneill able to do both. The only time it became an issue is when there'd be fixture nightmares cus they were able to go so far in both. Football and hurling definitely don't get the same attention in most Wexford clubs that they do in Slaughtneil either.
Ballyhale, Thomas's don't have any lads playing both I'll give you that but so what, can you honestly say Ballyhale would've been that hamstrung by playing a bit of football growing up, I doubt it.
Kilmacud Crokes the biggest club in the country, there's no one in Ireland outside of Dublin who you can even compare them to.
It's a lazy excuse. You've said it a problem at adult level and then changed to saying it's holding back underage. We're not some special case, every hurling County bar Kilkenny has the same issues as us. It's not like there's outrageous footballing standards and interest throughout the county ATM.
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Pikeman96 cheers for the long answer.
So, to provoke discussion.
There's a 5-6 month window for club league, championship. How do Wexford use this time best to 1. promote both games 2. ensure players play enough of both codes 3. not overloaded.
If the Oilgate example since last July is the problem, instead of proposing the problem why propose a solution? What is it?
Inter county game occupies 100% up till June/July, what should the co. board do? Its not like they can make time. Do we need more cups, blitzes, etc in spring to get more game time in to players? Or is it only championship the players want to play in which case the situation is harder.
Does the county need 4G pitches to make the game playable in the winter/spring? Start club leagues, cups, and so on in Feb/March and play loads of matches at a time of year when pitches tend to be in a poor state?
Before anyone jumps on me Wexford people need to find solutions not problems. We can all say what is wrong, but that is the easy part.
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Replying To wexford2012: "I don't know Egan but I think he came to Wexford with the best of intentions, looking to burnish his coaching credentials with the ultimate aim of returning at some point as Tipp boss. I think saying he's here 'for a quick buck' is deeply unfair." Yes. It was unfair to say he was here for the quick buck. I now will retract that statement.
I am just so disappointed with last Sunday. I'm afraid my emotions took over and caused me to write that about Darragh Egan. I apologise unreservedly to him and everyone who found it offensive.
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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin: "Ballyea, you'll find the majority of their players play football and football with a feew different clubs to make it even more difficult from a logistics point of view, hasn't effected them. Imagine how difficult that was growing up for them trying to play both for all these different clubs. I'd say they had as many if not more county footballers as hurlers, didn't see them blaming their all Ireland or munster losses on not having enough prep because of football. It's very easy use that excuse without it having that much substance. Loughrea were able to get a senior club all ireland final in hirling and a junior club all ireland in football within a year of each other and i didnt hear them blame a lack of prep on either. The football chapionship in this countu can be won depending on the interest of levels of certain hirlers if they want to bother playing or not...St Martins winning and then getting relegated pretty close together and no one batted an eye.
Ballygunner and Mt Sion have both, not everyone bit some, didn't Dessie Hutchinson play intervounty football just 4 years ago. Slughtneill able to do both. The only time it became an issue is when there'd be fixture nightmares cus they were able to go so far in both. Football and hurling definitely don't get the same attention in most Wexford clubs that they do in Slaughtneil either.
Ballyhale, Thomas's don't have any lads playing both I'll give you that but so what, can you honestly say Ballyhale would've been that hamstrung by playing a bit of football growing up, I doubt it.
Kilmacud Crokes the biggest club in the country, there's no one in Ireland outside of Dublin who you can even compare them to.
It's a lazy excuse. You've said it a problem at adult level and then changed to saying it's holding back underage. We're not some special case, every hurling County bar Kilkenny has the same issues as us. It's not like there's outrageous footballing standards and interest throughout the county ATM." I still disagree. It's more an issue here than nearly anywhere else. Galway, Cork, Clare, even Offaly and Laois, have predominantly hurling areas and clubs, and predominantly football areas. I agree there are areas of this county that are definitely more hurling orientated, and you probably live in one of these, but not to the degree of other counties. There are lads in our club complaining that our adult players are playing too much hurling these days and that's affecting our success in Football. But to be honest alot of the lads currently prefer hurling as a sport. 1 lad turned down an invitation to join the intercounty footballers but if he has another good hurling championship and gets a call from the intercounty hurlers he'd join up in the morning.
Dessie Hutchinson is an outlier. A superb sportsman all round. The lad even played professional soccer.
As regards your last line if we only played football in this county we would probably have a consistent div 1 or 2 football team. When hurling was weaker here we were the 1st county to win 4 AIs in a row. In football. That's the point I'm making. Our approach is affecting our intercounty success in both codes. But as a parent and GAA member I wouldn't want us to change.
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Replying To Viking66: "I still disagree. It's more an issue here than nearly anywhere else. Galway, Cork, Clare, even Offaly and Laois, have predominantly hurling areas and clubs, and predominantly football areas. I agree there are areas of this county that are definitely more hurling orientated, and you probably live in one of these, but not to the degree of other counties. There are lads in our club complaining that our adult players are playing too much hurling these days and that's affecting our success in Football. But to be honest alot of the lads currently prefer hurling as a sport. 1 lad turned down an invitation to join the intercounty footballers but if he has another good hurling championship and gets a call from the intercounty hurlers he'd join up in the morning.
Dessie Hutchinson is an outlier. A superb sportsman all round. The lad even played professional soccer.
As regards your last line if we only played football in this county we would probably have a consistent div 1 or 2 football team. When hurling was weaker here we were the 1st county to win 4 AIs in a row. In football. That's the point I'm making. Our approach is affecting our intercounty success in both codes. But as a parent and GAA member I wouldn't want us to change." Still don't see it as an excuse that because some county hurler might play 4 weeks of football in 12 months that makes him worse or less developed skill wise than Galway, Clare, Limerick, Cork, Tipp County hurler who might have put in that or more into football as well? More accepting low standards. Just going by Twitter I seen Athenry in Galway won feile in both hurling and football in a county that's produced most of the feile all Ireland winners the last 10 years or so and their not the first to do that. Doesn't seem to be effecting them. I see Mountbellew a club with 5 lads on the senior galway panel also have 3 lads on the minors in the all Ireland final and more on the minor team in the connacht minor panel,as do Moycullen, Kinvara, Salthill etc and few more . Why can these clubs and counties do it at a high level and we can't? Just using Galway there because they came up on my Twitter and went looking but the same applies to Cork, Tipp etc Instead one is taking away from the other etc lads pick their main sport at county level and the play a bit of club football when their knocked out but so do all those other lads in other counties, the levels counties are training at, 5/6 weeks of football 2 months after intervounty hurling has finished isn't going to make them worse hurlers. Why haven't we for all th football we do never produce a Daithi Burke, Conor Cleary, Aidan McCarthy, Cahalanes, Eoghan O'Donnell etc who brings in the tackling, physicality, marking from football. I see it more as a failing of coaching at both as opposed to one taking from the other.
But like I said playing both it's not really a reason and sure as hell isn't the reason we are were are ATM. If anything the football can actually use the hurlers as more of excuse because so many of the best lads go with the hurlers. This is a failure 10 years in the making, the senior team papers over cracks but when that goes everything comes out. If we survive next weekend let's hope it's the wake up call at last.
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Replying To Viking66: "I never once blamed football or the footballers. We coach our u12s exactly 50/50 between hurling and football. I've brought our lads to see the Senior Footballers this year several times. Last club championship they went to nearly as many club football games as hurling ones, the only reason they went to less football was because the lads only got to the semifinal in the football and reached the final in the hurling.
To give an example of what I'm talking about one of the lads is a Crokes man. He pointed out to me that only 1 lad played on both their football and hurling teams. All of ours do in our club this year. 1 lad did only play football last year but he's hurling again this year as well. It's being true to the original ethos of the GAA. Obviously, assuming our lads train the same number of hours a week as a lad who plays for Ballyhale, O'Loughlin Gaels, Ballygunner, Mount Sion, St Thomas, Loughrea, Glen Rovers, Ballyea, for talks sake, they are actually only doing half the hurling training." Both Ballyhale and O'Loughlin Gaels have U13 football teams.
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Replying To Viking66: "Truthfully I didn't go to many underage games through the 90s, or that many League games until the mid 90s. But I do know hurling has evolved a good deal since then. What I will agree with you 100% about is that there was a distinctive Wexford way up until the early noughties. The players would die for the shirt. We werent the best team by any stretch in the 90s. But lads would fight for every ball.
Nowadays there's a complacency and an assumption of superiority in Wexford hurling, inbuilt into the fans and players and everyone associated, that's the root cause of many of the problems. A sense of entitlement. Lads at all levels seem to think that because of that tradition established in the 50s and 60s and 70s, and built on a little in the 90s, Wexford hurling will always be superior to middle tier counties. Liam Dunne did his best to change that perception by getting the lads to work hard, fight hard, earn some success. In fairness to Davy he did continue that, but should've brought through more lads at the top level.
What's worrying this year is the absence of that fight. Lee Chin and the other leaders of the team noticeably didn't gee up the lads at all out on the pitch last weekend, either by word or action. All year we have been very flat that way, except maybe in PUC." Ok you are right the game really has moved on i can give a typical example a wexford minor game a few weeks ago jack dunne pulled on a ball and i still remember it bcos it was the only time somebody let fly on the ground in the whole game . Anyway i stil think we need someone like storey envolved to generate a bit of real fight in the players and a good tactician with him . As you said lee chin did not even shout a the players last week so you would have ask the question is there any team spirit in the team so my answer would be no..Dee okeefe to me is a leader and he was badly missed last weekend. D egan brings him on in the 70th min . There is no proper communication in that set up we really someone in to bond everyone together again. And have control over the players because its so obvious this management set up have no control of the players on the field or off the field .
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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin: "Still don't see it as an excuse that because some county hurler might play 4 weeks of football in 12 months that makes him worse or less developed skill wise than Galway, Clare, Limerick, Cork, Tipp County hurler who might have put in that or more into football as well? More accepting low standards. Just going by Twitter I seen Athenry in Galway won feile in both hurling and football in a county that's produced most of the feile all Ireland winners the last 10 years or so and their not the first to do that. Doesn't seem to be effecting them. I see Mountbellew a club with 5 lads on the senior galway panel also have 3 lads on the minors in the all Ireland final and more on the minor team in the connacht minor panel,as do Moycullen, Kinvara, Salthill etc and few more . Why can these clubs and counties do it at a high level and we can't? Just using Galway there because they came up on my Twitter and went looking but the same applies to Cork, Tipp etc Instead one is taking away from the other etc lads pick their main sport at county level and the play a bit of club football when their knocked out but so do all those other lads in other counties, the levels counties are training at, 5/6 weeks of football 2 months after intervounty hurling has finished isn't going to make them worse hurlers. Why haven't we for all th football we do never produce a Daithi Burke, Conor Cleary, Aidan McCarthy, Cahalanes, Eoghan O'Donnell etc who brings in the tackling, physicality, marking from football. I see it more as a failing of coaching at both as opposed to one taking from the other.
But like I said playing both it's not really a reason and sure as hell isn't the reason we are were are ATM. If anything the football can actually use the hurlers as more of excuse because so many of the best lads go with the hurlers. This is a failure 10 years in the making, the senior team papers over cracks but when that goes everything comes out. If we survive next weekend let's hope it's the wake up call at last." Mountbellew don't have any lads on the Senior hurling championship panel. They are amalgamated at underage with Skehana, a hurling club. Kinvara are pretty much a hurling team, who play a little football and field a junior football team. Would be nothing like our club. Moycullen are a football club. Salthill would be more known as a football club also, but have done well lately in hurling particularly underage. Most of the top clubs in Galway prioritise hurling or football, not both. And most of Galways Senior hurling panel don't play much football and most never did 50/50 even at underage, like almost all our lads did.
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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin: "Still don't see it as an excuse that because some county hurler might play 4 weeks of football in 12 months that makes him worse or less developed skill wise than Galway, Clare, Limerick, Cork, Tipp County hurler who might have put in that or more into football as well? More accepting low standards. Just going by Twitter I seen Athenry in Galway won feile in both hurling and football in a county that's produced most of the feile all Ireland winners the last 10 years or so and their not the first to do that. Doesn't seem to be effecting them. I see Mountbellew a club with 5 lads on the senior galway panel also have 3 lads on the minors in the all Ireland final and more on the minor team in the connacht minor panel,as do Moycullen, Kinvara, Salthill etc and few more . Why can these clubs and counties do it at a high level and we can't? Just using Galway there because they came up on my Twitter and went looking but the same applies to Cork, Tipp etc Instead one is taking away from the other etc lads pick their main sport at county level and the play a bit of club football when their knocked out but so do all those other lads in other counties, the levels counties are training at, 5/6 weeks of football 2 months after intervounty hurling has finished isn't going to make them worse hurlers. Why haven't we for all th football we do never produce a Daithi Burke, Conor Cleary, Aidan McCarthy, Cahalanes, Eoghan O'Donnell etc who brings in the tackling, physicality, marking from football. I see it more as a failing of coaching at both as opposed to one taking from the other.
But like I said playing both it's not really a reason and sure as hell isn't the reason we are were are ATM. If anything the football can actually use the hurlers as more of excuse because so many of the best lads go with the hurlers. This is a failure 10 years in the making, the senior team papers over cracks but when that goes everything comes out. If we survive next weekend let's hope it's the wake up call at last." Mountbellew don't have any lads on the Senior hurling championship panel. They are amalgamated at underage with Skehana, a hurling club. Kinvara are pretty much a hurling team, who play a little football and field a junior football team. Would be nothing like our club. Moycullen are a football club. Salthill would be more known as a football club also, but have done well lately in hurling particularly underage. Most of the top clubs in Galway prioritise hurling or football, not both. And most of Galways Senior hurling panel don't play much football and most never did 50/50 even at underage, like almost all our lads did.
In any case I don't know why you are bringing up Galway as an example. They have a huge hurling population compared to ours, and less all Irelands won.
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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin: "Still don't see it as an excuse that because some county hurler might play 4 weeks of football in 12 months that makes him worse or less developed skill wise than Galway, Clare, Limerick, Cork, Tipp County hurler who might have put in that or more into football as well? More accepting low standards. Just going by Twitter I seen Athenry in Galway won feile in both hurling and football in a county that's produced most of the feile all Ireland winners the last 10 years or so and their not the first to do that. Doesn't seem to be effecting them. I see Mountbellew a club with 5 lads on the senior galway panel also have 3 lads on the minors in the all Ireland final and more on the minor team in the connacht minor panel,as do Moycullen, Kinvara, Salthill etc and few more . Why can these clubs and counties do it at a high level and we can't? Just using Galway there because they came up on my Twitter and went looking but the same applies to Cork, Tipp etc Instead one is taking away from the other etc lads pick their main sport at county level and the play a bit of club football when their knocked out but so do all those other lads in other counties, the levels counties are training at, 5/6 weeks of football 2 months after intervounty hurling has finished isn't going to make them worse hurlers. Why haven't we for all th football we do never produce a Daithi Burke, Conor Cleary, Aidan McCarthy, Cahalanes, Eoghan O'Donnell etc who brings in the tackling, physicality, marking from football. I see it more as a failing of coaching at both as opposed to one taking from the other.
But like I said playing both it's not really a reason and sure as hell isn't the reason we are were are ATM. If anything the football can actually use the hurlers as more of excuse because so many of the best lads go with the hurlers. This is a failure 10 years in the making, the senior team papers over cracks but when that goes everything comes out. If we survive next weekend let's hope it's the wake up call at last." The main reason we are where are at Senior is that our players didn't win 2 games they should've won. We dominated the game against Dublin and created 20 more scoring chances that we didn't take. A quarter of these were placed balls and a further 4 or 5 were relatively easy. And against Westmeath we made poor decisions up front that an u12 team wouldn't make, hit a poor penalty, and conceded some poor goals. Complacency played a part.
At u20 we lost to a generational Offaly team by alot less than Galway and Dublin did when Screeney didn't play the whole game or at all, and beat Kilkenny twice.
At minor we beat Dublin and Offaly and lost to Kilkenny in Nowlan Park.
Yes it's bad that we could be playing Joe Mac next year but the hysteria since the Westmeath game is actually unbelievable. We are in no way in as bad a place as we were at the end of the noughties.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11715 - 24/05/2023 07:52:43
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Both Ballyhale and O'Loughlin Gaels have U13 football teams." Yes. And Kilkenny lads have won Hogan Cups with Good Counsel over the years. That's hardly the point though CC!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11715 - 24/05/2023 08:19:57
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Lot of debate about football and hurling. It deflects from some of the real issues problems . Let the chaps and girls play whatever they my want its not fir everyone
From my point of view especially at a young and very young age its not what you do at training for hurling it's what they do between training sessions anyone involved with young teams will know who puts in the time between sessions and that's what makes a hurler .
How many young lads do u see with their hurl and ball outside the club nowadays
They need to love the game and practice every day so they become one with their hurl and develop their skills flexibility coordination and hand eye coordination.
Not every child does this not every parent encourages this
. Some schools do the 365 rickards league etc . Bur really the hurler is developed through their own love and practice of the game against a wall in the field with friends . 2 or 3 x1hr sessions a week won t make you a hurler . As they get older then the sessions tactics s&c etc will make them team hurlers. But only if they master the art of hutling and stick work first on their own .
How they get the love of hurling surely won't come from all and sundry being negative and bad mouthing anyone involved .
Might come if the parents used their spare time to bring the kids to hurling walls ,games or in their own back garden . 5 6 7 year olds are the seniors in 12 or 13 years from now not long lads . 4 years since leinster title it Goes by very quickly .
Encourage the youth .
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 167 - 24/05/2023 08:20:39
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Replying To Wexpurebred: "Ok you are right the game really has moved on i can give a typical example a wexford minor game a few weeks ago jack dunne pulled on a ball and i still remember it bcos it was the only time somebody let fly on the ground in the whole game . Anyway i stil think we need someone like storey envolved to generate a bit of real fight in the players and a good tactician with him . As you said lee chin did not even shout a the players last week so you would have ask the question is there any team spirit in the team so my answer would be no..Dee okeefe to me is a leader and he was badly missed last weekend. D egan brings him on in the 70th min . There is no proper communication in that set up we really someone in to bond everyone together again. And have control over the players because its so obvious this management set up have no control of the players on the field or off the field ." I agree Egan has been a huge disappointment. I defended him during the League as I thought, and still think, he did the right thing blooding new players, but the way good Wexford hurlers have played well below themselves has to be his fault to a certain, even large, extent. It's his primary job to get the best out of the lads he sends out on the pitch.
Agree also Dees leadership was sorely missed the last couple of games. I'd nearly suspect it was personal at this stage.
As regards ground hurling were you at the Westmeath game?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11715 - 24/05/2023 08:24:43
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