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Replying To Viking66: "Who would you start in the 5 forward positions?" Viking, the forwards we have are good hurlers but it's all about making it easier for them to score. They were taking shots from too far out. As I said in my earlier post by going for scores closer in would definitely increase our scoring rate.
20 wides and the ball dropping short is strong evidence of poor shot choice.
For our remaining games I would play Mac, Chin, Mogie, Lawlor, ( not midfield ) Rory and Jacko.
The forwards were brutal last Saturday but they are much better than what we witnessed then.
Was it Egan that told them to shoot from distance?
Or was it the players who hadn't the confidence or ability to work the ball in and therefore reducing our wides count? 0
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "I'm guessing Lee's injury is the sort of one that'd need a lot longer than three weeks to heal and it looks like the sort of injury you can play through so we may as well start him versus Westmeath. Damien Reck's and Liam Ryan's looked liked hamstrings so I doubt they'll be back for the Westmeath game, the Kilkenny game might also come a week or two soon for them as well.
Here's how I'd start versus Westmeath:
James Lawlor
Shane Reck
Matthew O'Hanlon
Simon Donohoe
Conor Devitt
Diarmuid O'Keeffe
Joe O'Connor
Kevin Foley
Cathal Dunbar
Jack O'Connor
Lee Chin
Oisín Foley
Rory O'Connor
Conor McDonald
Liam Óg McGovern
They played a sweeper last year; if they do so again this year, I'd drop Liam Óg out to midfield and leave them with two spare men in their own full-back line, you'd think they'd have to push up one of the spare men then, leaving more space inside for our full-forward line." Would have Ian Carty on instead of Joe O Connor myself
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "I'm guessing Lee's injury is the sort of one that'd need a lot longer than three weeks to heal and it looks like the sort of injury you can play through so we may as well start him versus Westmeath. Damien Reck's and Liam Ryan's looked liked hamstrings so I doubt they'll be back for the Westmeath game, the Kilkenny game might also come a week or two soon for them as well.
Here's how I'd start versus Westmeath:
James Lawlor
Shane Reck
Matthew O'Hanlon
Simon Donohoe
Conor Devitt
Diarmuid O'Keeffe
Joe O'Connor
Kevin Foley
Cathal Dunbar
Jack O'Connor
Lee Chin
Oisín Foley
Rory O'Connor
Conor McDonald
Liam Óg McGovern
They played a sweeper last year; if they do so again this year, I'd drop Liam Óg out to midfield and leave them with two spare men in their own full-back line, you'd think they'd have to push up one of the spare men then, leaving more space inside for our full-forward line." Egan said in the paper he would expect Liam Ryan to be fit. Reck could be under pressure to feature atall against Kilkenny. Thats a big blow. Seeing your placement of Dee at 6 is interesting. I cant fathom how we didnt bring him on Saturday, A man with huge experience could have been vital in the last few minutes
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 10/05/2023 09:44:15
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Replying To goreyll: "It's not about being outclassed or thinking Dublin are sub-par, but most of us agreed on here that we were sacrificing the league for the championship and the Dublin match was our test on where we are. We failed that test, both through management game plan and poor play.
Re your proposed team for Westmeath, if Chin can feature at all, even sitting on the box, I would like to see him on. I'd also have Mikie Dwyer or Richie Lawyor in before Banville and would agree on trying a few alternatives to Conor Hearne. Think Mac deserves a start too." I agree Mikey and Richie are both better in open play than Ross as they do the tracking back and tackling that Ross seems uninclined to do. They both cover alot more ground. But he's streets ahead of both from a scoring point of view both from play and most importantly placed balls. We missed NINE scoreable frees the last day. If we do the same again against Westmeath we might need to beat Kilkenny just to stay in the Liam Mccarthy race next year. I've never done an AC joint but you would have to imagine it would affect a man's freetaking movement.
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Replying To hunting: "Hold on a minute, the players have to take responsibility as well no doubt about that, but egan is our manager and getting well paid for it too. The criticism of him here is not personal and the truth is, he has not done a good job with this team. No game plan (2 years into the job), not pushing up on puck out, playing our best players out of position or not at all, resting an all star in one of the biggest games of the year, I could go on and on and on(sadly). If I was not doing my job well enough well then people would question me and I would be pulled up on it and rightly so too." Most teams concede the puckouts these days. Apparently over 50% of short puckouts are conceded. What was more worrying was how the Dublin keeper was able to pick out men near the halfway line who weren't being closely marked.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15583 - 10/05/2023 09:48:32
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Replying To countyman2022: "Genuinely don't know who Alan Corcoran thinks he is to be able to attack the management like that. Is he a GAA pundit? Has he played the game? Does he even attend games? He reminds me alot of Joe Duffy, stirs for the attention.
Story's management record does not read to well either.
Ultimately, the management did not hit 19 wides. They did not drop 6 balls short. Did not give away scores from free's due to turnovers. Had we won the game on Saturday as we should have, Mr Corcoran would have been on the attack about something else on Monday morning, like a lot of posters on this forum also. This negativity and poison everyone seems to have towards Darragh would be less. Its typical of the bandwagon that Wexford is. Players need to carry a lot of the responsibility for Saturday too." I can't believe I am typing this but I agree with you. All the talk of gameplan - the game plan got us into a position to shoot 19 wides or drop balls short, what do people want a gameplan that allows all our players to shoot from the 21m line! In addition how many times did a defender come out and hit the ball directly to a Dublin. Lads will then complain that is because we play a sweeper but playing a sweeper should also mean that we play the ball through the phases until we can deliver the ball to where the forward needs it. Talking about gameplans is looking for a scapegoat when the question really should be asked why are we not producing players who can execute the basic skills of the game at the top level. Same problem with the minor team the other evening, so it clearly goes back to how the coaching is happening in underage.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1956 - 10/05/2023 09:50:38
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "I'm guessing Lee's injury is the sort of one that'd need a lot longer than three weeks to heal and it looks like the sort of injury you can play through so we may as well start him versus Westmeath. Damien Reck's and Liam Ryan's looked liked hamstrings so I doubt they'll be back for the Westmeath game, the Kilkenny game might also come a week or two soon for them as well.
Here's how I'd start versus Westmeath:
James Lawlor
Shane Reck
Matthew O'Hanlon
Simon Donohoe
Conor Devitt
Diarmuid O'Keeffe
Joe O'Connor
Kevin Foley
Cathal Dunbar
Jack O'Connor
Lee Chin
Oisín Foley
Rory O'Connor
Conor McDonald
Liam Óg McGovern
They played a sweeper last year; if they do so again this year, I'd drop Liam Óg out to midfield and leave them with two spare men in their own full-back line, you'd think they'd have to push up one of the spare men then, leaving more space inside for our full-forward line." I admit I'm biased but I think Ian Carty has looked better than Joe so far this year. Joe was only back with the panel in February and was dropped from it and then recalled. All this after a year and a half away from competitive hurling. I think he's a good player but he has looked very rusty. He gave away alot of ball the last day, including losing the ball leading to Dublins go ahead point after Rory tied it up deep in injury time. Mac has done well the last 2 days coming off the bench. Does it suit him better to be fresh when the game opens up a little more as other lads tire?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15583 - 10/05/2023 09:54:08
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Replying To Fulgrim: "Did no one else notice he didn't want to go off? He seemed bemused by the fact he was being taken off." I noticed that too. But his foot was affecting him from the 1st throw in. He wasn't his usual all action self.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15583 - 10/05/2023 09:55:22
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Who has Martin Story managed? He was over Oulart when they lost 2-3 Leinster finals was he, and one to Mount Leinster Rangers?" He was over Taghmon too up until the year before last.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15583 - 10/05/2023 09:56:09
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Replying To Slowandshortsighted: "Westmeath have gone back since last year so id be shocked if Wexford didn't get the win at home. Dublin have a dreadful record against kk and its really hard to see them getting a result in nowlan park. A win for kk here means they're through to the leinster final so anyone with any kind of a knock will be rested. Plus they will want to give squad members gametime and they will know Wexford will be fighting for their lives so kk will be happy to see what the squad has to offer.
Huge match Wednesday night in the u20. It's do or die now and alot if the lads will know they left a leinster final behind last year.
Billy drennan isn't even a sub and altho we don't like to see anyone injured he is a massive loss for kk. Denis walsh who was excellent last year isn't a sub and niall Rowe who played alot of league is only a sub so I think it's a wonderful chance for wexford to get to a leinster final." Billy Drennans ankle still isn't right. Doyle, Dunne, Clifford and Shine are all excellent hurlers too.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15583 - 10/05/2023 09:57:30
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Replying To Magpie2: "Viking, the forwards we have are good hurlers but it's all about making it easier for them to score. They were taking shots from too far out. As I said in my earlier post by going for scores closer in would definitely increase our scoring rate.
20 wides and the ball dropping short is strong evidence of poor shot choice.
For our remaining games I would play Mac, Chin, Mogie, Lawlor, ( not midfield ) Rory and Jacko.
The forwards were brutal last Saturday but they are much better than what we witnessed then.
Was it Egan that told them to shoot from distance?
Or was it the players who hadn't the confidence or ability to work the ball in and therefore reducing our wides count? 0" Several of our wides the players concerned could've brought the ball in further themselves. Some were from less than 50 yards out anyway. And 9 were from placed balls.
Any time we play 3 inside we get slaughtered with goals. Darragh Egan really wanted us to play that way as I think he's a very traditionaI minded Tipp fella. But we weren't able. I think that's why no Intercounty team plays that way any more.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15583 - 10/05/2023 10:01:15
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Replying To Afinestick: "Egan said in the paper he would expect Liam Ryan to be fit. Reck could be under pressure to feature atall against Kilkenny. Thats a big blow. Seeing your placement of Dee at 6 is interesting. I cant fathom how we didnt bring him on Saturday, A man with huge experience could have been vital in the last few minutes" Was probably the strangest decision all afternoon by either management.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15583 - 10/05/2023 10:02:02
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Replying To Afinestick: "Egan said in the paper he would expect Liam Ryan to be fit. Reck could be under pressure to feature atall against Kilkenny. Thats a big blow. Seeing your placement of Dee at 6 is interesting. I cant fathom how we didnt bring him on Saturday, A man with huge experience could have been vital in the last few minutes" Agree100%. Leaving Okeeffe off was criminal. He was fit by all accounts. He would I am sure done a job covering our understrengt halfback line in the absence of Reck. Surely he would have been a better choice than Joe O'connor. This boils down to poor decision making by our management.
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 447 - 10/05/2023 10:13:30
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Replying To Viking66: "Billy Drennans ankle still isn't right. Doyle, Dunne, Clifford and Shine are all excellent hurlers too." Best of luck to the lads this evening, as you said its a strong KK side even without Walsh and Drennan so a tough task, we've played in fits and starts so far but hopefully we'll produce a consistent performance tonight.
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Replying To Doylerwex: "He never misses a game to be fair to him" I know your right on this but his line of questioning in the Storey interview was out of order in my view, clearly hunting for a headline.
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A stat from the match report in this week's paper:
We have scored eight goals across eleven competitive matches since the Walsh Cup, three of them from Mac, who is the only player to have netted more than once.
The management trying to be too clever for their own good dropping him, yet at the same time we aren't thriving without him starting, seemingly are devoid of a clear defensive set-up, don't know how to use ROC properly and let our opposition have it too easy from restarts.
I know management can't be blamed for us hitting 19 wides in a game, but surely they can take some of the flak if their job is to improve what's there to work with? May as well accommodate a goal getter like Mac because we sure as heck can't pop over enough points from play with great regularity.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1485 - 10/05/2023 11:03:46
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We are in transition . Davys legacy no back up .
We created 45 scoring chances . Our shooting boots left at home . Surely game plan was close to correct if we created so many opportunitiesand only conceding 1 22 small enough concession in today s terms if we d have had poor day in front of goal v Antrim where would we be now . its been a lifelong failing of wexford our scoring rate compared to chances created shot selection was poor with no one inside to contest short shots or as option rather than shooting on site or under pressure that is the area game plan needs improving but that could mean making ourselves more vulnerable in defense its a balancing act with a depleted and changing squad . I think Darragh has tried anyone that he could but has resorted to returning to tried and trusted regime as some were simply not ready or not up to it .
That's why we need to score goals more so than any other team it lifts team crowd and keeps us in games.
The modern game is more based on point taking from distance which we did and almost certainly wil struggle with indefinitely the big guns can score goals when they need them we struggle nowadays . I ve seen no evidence in the county at adult or underage to change that scenario. . We need to be innovative in our approach rather than copying other counties unless we can tweak it to adapt to our skill set and panel of players . Come up with something that can create more goal chances without leaving our defense exposed .
How that can be done I m not sure Darragh Egan is not to blame for all our woes he should be commended for at least trying to blood new players .
2 or 3 a year should be any managers aim at club or county he has had to try blood up to 10 in last 2 years that are capable of being part of the 25 match day squad . 4 or 5 more than u would want over 2 year period . Let's be honest and thats from an average enough playing pool coming from underage over last 4 to 5 years who are nt the most pyhsical either . I dont know the answer but it's where we are at present stay competitive and build . I don't believe there are too many local coaches managers that can turn it around quickly either calling for darraghs head after narrow defeat is just a knee jerk reaction common in our times unfortunately . Let's see the reaction v westmeath hopefully a comfortable win with our scoring ratio and confidence much improved and going into kilkenny game with a chance to turn them over again . Get behind the whole set up see where we finish and by all means review at end of the year and then make the decisions. Can't see the negativity being of any benefit . We are down but not out .
In todays world everyone has their opinion whether its informed or populist looking to influence whilst hiding behind the cloak of anonymity . Get behind the team not the bandwagon of blame and negativity.
Want to help go to your local club with all your new found knowledge and expertise to give a hand starting at nursery or underage . Don't forget to do all the courses and training forums s &c seminars nutrional courses first aid etc etc child protection courses upskill through the levels too. Then come up with attack coaching, defense coaching, skills coaching , training plans ,s&c plans ,game plans , timing your set up to peak when? Develop new players and team deal with injuries and be able to keep the same game plan , do management courses. Deal with the players the parents the clubs the county boards balance your personal life and listen to the critics .
Have you these skills or know of anyone with these skills put your/their name in the hat .
With your/their backroom team ready
Alternatively get behind the team and management for now at least .
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 351 - 10/05/2023 11:58:17
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "I'm guessing Lee's injury is the sort of one that'd need a lot longer than three weeks to heal and it looks like the sort of injury you can play through so we may as well start him versus Westmeath. Damien Reck's and Liam Ryan's looked liked hamstrings so I doubt they'll be back for the Westmeath game, the Kilkenny game might also come a week or two soon for them as well.
Here's how I'd start versus Westmeath:
James Lawlor
Shane Reck
Matthew O'Hanlon
Simon Donohoe
Conor Devitt
Diarmuid O'Keeffe
Joe O'Connor
Kevin Foley
Cathal Dunbar
Jack O'Connor
Lee Chin
Oisín Foley
Rory O'Connor
Conor McDonald
Liam Óg McGovern
They played a sweeper last year; if they do so again this year, I'd drop Liam Óg out to midfield and leave them with two spare men in their own full-back line, you'd think they'd have to push up one of the spare men then, leaving more space inside for our full-forward line." Would like to see the following against Westmeath
Lawlor
S Reck Ryan (if Fit) Donohoe
Devitt Hanlon Carty
DOK Dunbar
Jacko Chin O Foley
ROC Mac McGovern
Kevin Foley, Richie Lawlor , Dwyer and Hearne coming on to make impacts
McGovern in a roaming role.
Our options in the backs are far less than the forwards we could have really done with Paudie Foley this year. Hopefully he'll be back next year.
On the sweeper one bonus is we have conceded far less goals since we brought it in after the Clare game where we looked like we could have conceded 10 goals.
Most inter County teams play with a sweeper . We just need to get our heads up and use the ball far better going forward like the first half against Antrim
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Its ridiculous to play a full strength team vs Westmeath
Lawlor
Carthy Hanlon Devitt
Scallan Joe O Connor Conor Foley (if knocked out of U20) Donohue if not
Kevin Foley C Hearne
Oisin Foley JOC Mc Guckian
Dunbar Mac R Lawlor
Strong team with meaningful game time given to some newer lads. Crazy to play Chin, ROC, Reck and Ryan for this match with Kilkenny on the week after
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Replying To Yellow: "Its ridiculous to play a full strength team vs Westmeath
Lawlor
Carthy Hanlon Devitt
Scallan Joe O Connor Conor Foley (if knocked out of U20) Donohue if not
Kevin Foley C Hearne
Oisin Foley JOC Mc Guckian
Dunbar Mac R Lawlor
Strong team with meaningful game time given to some newer lads. Crazy to play Chin, ROC, Reck and Ryan for this match with Kilkenny on the week after" We cant afford to take many chances . If we lose and Antrim beat Westmeath we are facing Joe McDonagh hurling next year
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