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Replying To Viking66: "You don't hide lad. We don't always agree, and times you are a little negative, but you post good well reasoned stuff." We don't have to agree once we are wanting the same thing (i.e. winning Wexford teams) and not just offering problems, finger pointing, etc. If you propose a problem, propose a solution is my mantra! Good luck to Wexford for a long summer, hopefully we will both qualify and one of Galway or Kilkenny will be out on their rear ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1461 - 21/04/2023 15:31:52 2472247 Link
Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Was told on the Fanning situation today that he has left the panel but there's more to it that what's speculated here, stuff not to do with hurling, probably best myself included to give him the respect and not delve too much into it all." I've since heard something else myself too, and am now regretting my earlier decision not to follow my usual rule for myself of not commenting on rumours. I won't be commenting on any more. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3010 - 21/04/2023 16:55:07 2472260 Link
Replying To beano: "Are you seriously comparing the current under-20 format to a stop-gap measure brought in during Covid? Because that is clutching at straws, and we were all delighted to get any games at all during that period. And we'll be the first county to complain if for example we beat Galway tonight (meaning they'd have no win from three) but they go on to advance further than us in the championship. Just like we were apparently the only county undone by another ridiculous rule last year. Anyway, it's beside the main debate- I do hope Galway bring their own home league form into tomorrow, and our bench make an impact down the stretch. But it'll be a tall ask on all known form." I genuinely don't follow your logic sometimes. For instance, Wexford beat Kilkenny in the senior championship last year, but Kilkenny ended up going further than us. I don't recall anybody complaining that was unfair. Or closer to home, Castletown lost two games in the club SFC last year, to Shels and Glynn-Barntown, but obviously went further than both, by winning it in the end. I don't recall anybody claiming that was unfair either. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3010 - 21/04/2023 17:03:32 2472263 Link
If mac is dropped tomorrow, it because he is not going well/putting enough workrate in, our carry a slight knock. I refuse to believe any management team would not start one of their best forward. As for fanning it a pity tbh but Lawlor deserves his chance even if fanning was avaliable. I think it is a strong team and a decent bench, it just a lack of form and lack of game time into a lot of our players, that could be an issue. The under 20 are missing some of their best players tonight but it is really not much more than a practise match.On a side note, looking at the ages of the panel it still quiet young apart from 4 or 5 in their early 30s. Anyway the very best of luck to both team tonight and tomorrow. Up wexford. hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1150 - 21/04/2023 17:37:57 2472265 Link
Game was there for the taking tonight but for the second-third implosion. Great response to that Galway purple patch though which is encouraging. If Jack Redmond isn't part of the senior set-up next year (provided he'd be interested) questions should be asked. I'd be ear-marking him as a serious prospect. Good showing from Cillian Byrne off the bench too, and its good to see a few of last year's minors making the step up. You'd have to imagine Foley is playing some part tomorrow if he was kept off tonight. beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1504 - 21/04/2023 20:59:44 2472286 Link
Hard luck to the U20s but they were dissapointing enough considering Galway down their best players (and the stand out player at this grade in Liam Collins, along with Drennan). I think we'll be a small bit off the other 3 when it's knockout too. Just going by weve probably had closer to full teams the times weve plyed KK and Galway and Dublin with a full team v our full team was comprehensive enough. A lot of shadow boxing tbf in this weird format but dont think weve as much scope for improvement as the others. They showed good heart to turn it from maybe being a hammering into a one score game for a finish though so credit must go to them there. I still rate Keith Rossiter as a manager and is probably the best in house option we have going forward realistically. Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 332 - 21/04/2023 21:28:32 2472290 Link
Replying To beano: "Are you seriously comparing the current under-20 format to a stop-gap measure brought in during Covid? Because that is clutching at straws, and we were all delighted to get any games at all during that period. And we'll be the first county to complain if for example we beat Galway tonight (meaning they'd have no win from three) but they go on to advance further than us in the championship. Just like we were apparently the only county undone by another ridiculous rule last year. Anyway, it's beside the main debate- I do hope Galway bring their own home league form into tomorrow, and our bench make an impact down the stretch. But it'll be a tall ask on all known form." On your other point, the "stop-gap measure brought in during Covid" is still a fair comparison to this year's U20 hurling championship, because it also involved a round-robin phase where everybody went through anyway. I thought then and I think now that a truer championship structure at the time would have been one where the top two teams in each group qualified for quarter-finals, and the third-placed teams went out. It was probably decided against because it was felt unfair some teams would go out after only two matches, but by your own logic, it was during Covid and they should have been delighted to get any games at all.... Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3010 - 21/04/2023 22:30:23 2472302 Link
Decent showing by the u20s tonight despite the result, Corey Byrne Dunbar did well while Cillian Byrne was outstanding when he came on, he has to start the next day in my view, he's u20 for 2 more years, could have a very bright future. TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 21/04/2023 22:49:07 2472303 Link
Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin: "Hard luck to the U20s but they were dissapointing enough considering Galway down their best players (and the stand out player at this grade in Liam Collins, along with Drennan). I think we'll be a small bit off the other 3 when it's knockout too. Just going by weve probably had closer to full teams the times weve plyed KK and Galway and Dublin with a full team v our full team was comprehensive enough. A lot of shadow boxing tbf in this weird format but dont think weve as much scope for improvement as the others. They showed good heart to turn it from maybe being a hammering into a one score game for a finish though so credit must go to them there. I still rate Keith Rossiter as a manager and is probably the best in house option we have going forward realistically." We were short definitely 4 maybe 5 starters tonight in my opinion( Eoin Whelan Michael Dundon, Conor Foley, Cian Byrne, Oisin Pepper)add Diarmuid O'Leary who if fit would have pushed for a place this year too. TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 21/04/2023 23:53:09 2472307 Link
Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin: "Hard luck to the U20s but they were dissapointing enough considering Galway down their best players (and the stand out player at this grade in Liam Collins, along with Drennan). I think we'll be a small bit off the other 3 when it's knockout too. Just going by weve probably had closer to full teams the times weve plyed KK and Galway and Dublin with a full team v our full team was comprehensive enough. A lot of shadow boxing tbf in this weird format but dont think weve as much scope for improvement as the others. They showed good heart to turn it from maybe being a hammering into a one score game for a finish though so credit must go to them there. I still rate Keith Rossiter as a manager and is probably the best in house option we have going forward realistically." We were short full back, centre back and free taker from the 1st 2 games, do you not think that's a big area to fill? TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 22/04/2023 00:08:29 2472308 Link
If fanning is available, not available, walked from the panel etc etc it doesn't really matter for me, he can have no complaints, Lawlor deserves his chance tonight, i fact he deserves the championship run for me barring disaster, he is the standout keeper in the county. As for the rest of the team again with McDonald if he's dropped he needs to knuckle down and win his place back, for too long we've almost had a situation where form mattered very little over reputation, that's going to achieve nothing in the long run. Biggest concerns for me tonight is the affect of the injuries and the lack of freshness/fitness that leads to, championship in salthill is no place to be trying to ease yourself back in to things or to be slightly hampered in any way. The start will be so crucial tonight. I suppose the one caveat is there is an element of the bigger games down the road, I've spoken to a few over this week who seem to be of that thinking, performance more than result the important thing, for me i don't necessarily agree but what is vital is that we some semblance of a game plan or way of play that's real and works above all because year to date that's being non existent. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1551 - 22/04/2023 08:35:54 2472315 Link
Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin: "Hard luck to the U20s but they were dissapointing enough considering Galway down their best players (and the stand out player at this grade in Liam Collins, along with Drennan). I think we'll be a small bit off the other 3 when it's knockout too. Just going by weve probably had closer to full teams the times weve plyed KK and Galway and Dublin with a full team v our full team was comprehensive enough. A lot of shadow boxing tbf in this weird format but dont think weve as much scope for improvement as the others. They showed good heart to turn it from maybe being a hammering into a one score game for a finish though so credit must go to them there. I still rate Keith Rossiter as a manager and is probably the best in house option we have going forward realistically." Wexford were missing, they full back, corner back, centre back and 2 of their best forwards in Byrne and Pepper. Last night showed what difference a free taker can make. The galway number 9 landed frees from everywhere and we missed 2 or 3 straight forward ones. Nothing between does team, but it was a disappointing result for Wexford. Now rossiter needs to get his best team on the pitch and that includes in my opinion starting both Pepper and Cillian Byrne. hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1150 - 22/04/2023 08:38:17 2472316 Link
Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin: "Hard luck to the U20s but they were dissapointing enough considering Galway down their best players (and the stand out player at this grade in Liam Collins, along with Drennan). I think we'll be a small bit off the other 3 when it's knockout too. Just going by weve probably had closer to full teams the times weve plyed KK and Galway and Dublin with a full team v our full team was comprehensive enough. A lot of shadow boxing tbf in this weird format but dont think weve as much scope for improvement as the others. They showed good heart to turn it from maybe being a hammering into a one score game for a finish though so credit must go to them there. I still rate Keith Rossiter as a manager and is probably the best in house option we have going forward realistically." Good showing last night despite missing some of our best players and more starters. We will have likely 6 starters who were missing last night back for the knockout stages, with Whelan being the biggest doubt. Conor Foley and Cian Byrne are probably the best 2 players we have at this grade this year, while Dundon and Whelan were big losses in the fullback line. I also think Conor Murphy and Colum Fitzgerald should start in the knockout stages, while Luke Murphy should play midfield so he can get on more ball. Based on the games to date including the Cork challenge game I'd go for- Mahon Whelan, Dundon, Kehoe C Murphy, Foley, Carley L Murphy, Rowley Fitzgerald, Redmond, Farrell Cian Byrne, o' Hagan, Byrne-Dunbar. Plenty of good options on the bench too. Hoping like mad Pepper gets his mojo back sooner rather than later also. And more importantly after the negative stuff posted after the Galway and Dublin games I think that team could beat any u20 team in Ireland, never mind being "a bit behind the other 3" in Leinster. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16856 - 22/04/2023 08:41:24 2472317 Link
Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin: "Hard luck to the U20s but they were dissapointing enough considering Galway down their best players (and the stand out player at this grade in Liam Collins, along with Drennan). I think we'll be a small bit off the other 3 when it's knockout too. Just going by weve probably had closer to full teams the times weve plyed KK and Galway and Dublin with a full team v our full team was comprehensive enough. A lot of shadow boxing tbf in this weird format but dont think weve as much scope for improvement as the others. They showed good heart to turn it from maybe being a hammering into a one score game for a finish though so credit must go to them there. I still rate Keith Rossiter as a manager and is probably the best in house option we have going forward realistically." Good showing last night despite missing some of our best players and more starters. We will have likely 6 starters who were missing last night back for the knockout stages, with Whelan being the biggest doubt. Conor Foley and Cian Byrne are probably the best 2 players we have at this grade this year, while Dundon and Whelan were big losses in the fullback line. I also think Conor Murphy and Colum Fitzgerald should start in the knockout stages, while Luke Murphy should play midfield so he can get on more ball. Based on the games to date including the Cork challenge game I'd go for- Mahon Whelan, Dundon, Kehoe C Murphy, Foley, Carley L Murphy, Rowley Fitzgerald, Redmond, Farrell Cian Byrne, o' Hagan, Byrne-Dunbar. Plenty of good options on the bench too. Hoping like mad Pepper gets his mojo back sooner rather than later also. And more importantly after the negative stuff posted after the Galway and Dublin games I think that team could beat any u20 team in Ireland, never mind being "a bit behind the other 3" in Leinster. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16856 - 22/04/2023 08:46:46 2472318 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "I genuinely don't follow your logic sometimes. For instance, Wexford beat Kilkenny in the senior championship last year, but Kilkenny ended up going further than us. I don't recall anybody complaining that was unfair. Or closer to home, Castletown lost two games in the club SFC last year, to Shels and Glynn-Barntown, but obviously went further than both, by winning it in the end. I don't recall anybody claiming that was unfair either." Again, you don't seem to understand my initial point. In those scenarios you listed above, there was a limit to how many teams qualified from the groups (in Wexford's case, top two into final, third in qualifiers. Club: top four through to QFs). There is no provision where EVERYONE goes through regardless. In fact, the bottom team in the club group has the jeopardy of relegation for their lack of form. My gripe is that there is a lack of cut and thrust because of the system, albeit Wexford did show plenty of heart in trying to overcome their deficit last night. But imagine telling a chap, and it surely has happened, that you are coming in tonight only because Player A is deemed better than his peers and may be used by the seniors. It could be said player's only championship start in the grade for his county and its reduced to a glorified practise match. Championship competitions should have blood and hair flying from day one, not shadow boxing for over half of the games. Its a flaw in many of the associations competitions. Ironically, the system may have helped Wexford though as we might be bottom ourselves now (don't know the breakdown of the score differences). beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1504 - 22/04/2023 09:53:31 2472331 Link
Good response from the 20's last night. They were woegious v Dublin and could have capitulated before half time, with the doubts after the Dublin match still in the back of their mids. But dug in and showed fight they didn't v Dublin. A strange competition overall, but probably a good format for developing a team since there's little or no "risk" so to speak. What happened Oisin Pepper from making his senior debut to not making u20 team? Is he injured? ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1461 - 22/04/2023 10:53:56 2472339 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Good showing last night despite missing some of our best players and more starters. We will have likely 6 starters who were missing last night back for the knockout stages, with Whelan being the biggest doubt. Conor Foley and Cian Byrne are probably the best 2 players we have at this grade this year, while Dundon and Whelan were big losses in the fullback line. I also think Conor Murphy and Colum Fitzgerald should start in the knockout stages, while Luke Murphy should play midfield so he can get on more ball. Based on the games to date including the Cork challenge game I'd go for- Mahon Whelan, Dundon, Kehoe C Murphy, Foley, Carley L Murphy, Rowley Fitzgerald, Redmond, Farrell Cian Byrne, o' Hagan, Byrne-Dunbar. Plenty of good options on the bench too. Hoping like mad Pepper gets his mojo back sooner rather than later also. And more importantly after the negative stuff posted after the Galway and Dublin games I think that team could beat any u20 team in Ireland, never mind being "a bit behind the other 3" in Leinster." From what I've seen think our best 15 for u20 if all available. Mahon Eoin Whelan Dundon Darragh Kehoe Carley Foley Dylan Purcell Rowley Luke Murphy O'Hagan Byrne Dunbar Cian Byrne Cillian Byrne Jack Redmond Pepper TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 22/04/2023 12:10:47 2472359 Link
Replying To ExiledInWex: "Good response from the 20's last night. They were woegious v Dublin and could have capitulated before half time, with the doubts after the Dublin match still in the back of their mids. But dug in and showed fight they didn't v Dublin. A strange competition overall, but probably a good format for developing a team since there's little or no "risk" so to speak. What happened Oisin Pepper from making his senior debut to not making u20 team? Is he injured?" He wasn't in the 24 last night which would suggest he's injured, I'd say anyone with a knock last night wasn't risked, QF next weekend away to Westmeath or Offaly, I'd say Westmeath beating Laois albeit on penalties was a surprise given Laois have been decent at minor the last few years. TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 22/04/2023 12:13:53 2472360 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Agreed it might be a good thing." Hopefully your source is not very reliable Larry O. If your source is correct then I'm afraid our chances are reduced hugely. Mac has been critisized non stop over the years by me and others but if he had the right kind of support in the full forward line I feel he would be a better player. He doesn't have much pace in his locker so close to goal is his best position. I honestly can't understand why he is left fighting a lone battle with 2 or 3 backs on top of him. This has all been said over and over again and it's getting predictable what happens in games. The thing is though, who do we have to replace him at the moment. Let's hope that he plays and gets the support that he needs. If Chinner doesn't play then I'm afraid it's lights out. We certainly do not have anyone to replace him. So Larry 0, let hope and pray that your source is mischievous and the 2 lads are on the field at 4.30. Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 545 - 22/04/2023 12:37:13 2472365 Link
Replying To ExiledInWex: "Good response from the 20's last night. They were woegious v Dublin and could have capitulated before half time, with the doubts after the Dublin match still in the back of their mids. But dug in and showed fight they didn't v Dublin. A strange competition overall, but probably a good format for developing a team since there's little or no "risk" so to speak. What happened Oisin Pepper from making his senior debut to not making u20 team? Is he injured?" Bit of a miserable day here in Salthill, hoping for a good match with fight from the Wexford team goreyll (Wexford) - Posts: 165 - 22/04/2023 12:39:08 2472366 Link