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Replying To Gaa Fan: " Replying To KillingFields: "I watched a number of games which were played in Munster last Weekend. The playing conditions were atrocious.
Downpours and gale force winds. In Kerry I saw David Clifford unable to score a point from play. In another game I saw a player unable to kick the ball over from the 20 metre line. In the Cork hurling final it was difficult to make out the players at times.
It is obvious the County Boards have no respect for the players, or their safety, or for the supporters.
I commend the players for their behavior under such trying conditions.
Shame on the GAA.
Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 680 - 18/10/2022 20:16:06
I see plenty are criticising you saying the weather could be terrible in the summer well obviously it could but theres a far greater chance of better weather in the summer and they dont play games.
GAA have to do better but how do you suggest they get to play more games in summer
I take it you've never played the game before with a statement like that? Believe it or not, the weather can be fairly wild at times on an island in the Atlantic. The fact we have a dedicated split season and you now come out with this nonsense about disrespect is madness... go back to bed.
fancyaride (Mayo) - Posts: 177 - 19/10/2022 09:02:17
Ridiculous post. the OP was simply saying its madness to be playing so many games going into the late autumn and into winter when you will have much greater chance of poor weather and you could play far more games in summer when its more likely to be better weather and disrespect is right when 99% of players games are held back by the 1%...
baffling comment!!! County Boards fix games they cant fix the weather! I myself always talk about how bad are own county board are but you cant start blaming them for the bad weather too!! if they called off games because of wind and rain when would you expect championships to get time to finish.. I would love to hear your proposal on how to fix the weather problem?? we had 2 weeks in a row of really bad playing conditions in every county with numerous semi finals and finals played including my own county which I attended! worst playing conditions for a final I have seen in recent memory also both inter and senior final hugely effected by it as both the better teams and favs lost both finals by last minute goals!! but its all part of the game, its makes things all the more interesting and seeing how teams adapt!!
Garmin (Longford) - Posts: 24 - 19/10/2022 09:43:05
county boards can fix more games for summer months and ensure games are played far more in summer and not have teams idle for weeks in summer and then playing into late autumn/winter when they didnt have to" Checked the Kerry schedule. The final is on October 30th. October 23rd is open. When the weather forecast was made known for last weekend why were the games not re-scheduled? Why not re-fix the games? We are not talking about wind and rain but gale force winds and downpours. Did anyone of you watch the Cork hurling final? Could hardly see the players at times. A number of what I consider to be "smart" answers to this post. Yes I played in the rain and refereed in the rain....no problem. The play-offs are a time when the GAA should be showcasing the games."
Garmin (Longford) - Posts: 87 - 20/10/2022 09:23:33
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I think there are a lot of people have misread the OP's post.
I thought one of the points of a split season was to prevent club players playing in horrible conditions - the provincial championship are going to be played in Nov/Dec so the matches are going to be of poor quality.
Tyrone were knocked out of the championship at the start of June but the championship didn't start until end middle of September. The senior final is next week. The last three weekends have been horrible weather leading to poor quality games. I know league games have to be played but surely the championship - the main competition and most watched - should be played in the good weather. Especially when there is a window there.
I know its more difficult for dual counties - i get that but surely things can be tightened so the main competition can be played in the best conditions.
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 20/10/2022 10:58:24
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Replying To The_Fridge: "I think there are a lot of people have misread the OP's post.
I thought one of the points of a split season was to prevent club players playing in horrible conditions - the provincial championship are going to be played in Nov/Dec so the matches are going to be of poor quality.
Tyrone were knocked out of the championship at the start of June but the championship didn't start until end middle of September. The senior final is next week. The last three weekends have been horrible weather leading to poor quality games. I know league games have to be played but surely the championship - the main competition and most watched - should be played in the good weather. Especially when there is a window there.
I know its more difficult for dual counties - i get that but surely things can be tightened so the main competition can be played in the best conditions." "Tyrone were knocked out of the championship at the start of June but the championship didn't start until end middle of September. ' Surely that's all the feet of the Tyrone County Board, Wexford were knocked out of all intercounty championships by June 18th, 1st round of club championship was June 26-29. I taught the main purpose of the split season was to address the biggest issue in the GAA in the last 10-15 years which was the uncertainty of when club matches will and won't be played therefore preventing players from planning other aspects of their lives such as holidays, having to spend time abroad with work etc.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1676 - 20/10/2022 11:34:43
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Replying To The_Fridge: "I think there are a lot of people have misread the OP's post.
I thought one of the points of a split season was to prevent club players playing in horrible conditions - the provincial championship are going to be played in Nov/Dec so the matches are going to be of poor quality.
Tyrone were knocked out of the championship at the start of June but the championship didn't start until end middle of September. The senior final is next week. The last three weekends have been horrible weather leading to poor quality games. I know league games have to be played but surely the championship - the main competition and most watched - should be played in the good weather. Especially when there is a window there.
I know its more difficult for dual counties - i get that but surely things can be tightened so the main competition can be played in the best conditions." Well that is Tyrone's own fault then.
I think in Wexford, the club championship was well received albeit imperfect and there is call to change it to mix up hurling and football. But the Wexford county board went full steam ahead once Wexford were beaten and the bulk of the finals are done last weekend.
Waiting until Sept only feeds the GAA media traditionalists who think the All-Ireland isn't an All-Ireland unless it is in September and the Bishop of Cashel throws in the ball.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1122 - 20/10/2022 11:39:54
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Well that is Tyrone's own fault then.
I think in Wexford, the club championship was well received albeit imperfect and there is call to change it to mix up hurling and football. But the Wexford county board went full steam ahead once Wexford were beaten and the bulk of the finals are done last weekend.
Waiting until Sept only feeds the GAA media traditionalists who think the All-Ireland isn't an All-Ireland unless it is in September and the Bishop of Cashel throws in the ball." To me GAA and clubs have to share the blame for club championships running on so long. This idea of running of the All-Ireland championship so quickly leads to county players not being able to join clubs for a longer period of time. All -Ireland needs to be run off over a few months and give players a chance to go back and forward to club action. Have a two-week window for holidays and such during year. If a player picks up an injury it still gives them a chance to recover. As for weather, who cares, not the first-time supporters of players got wet.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2006 - 20/10/2022 12:53:16
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Replying To Saynothing: "To me GAA and clubs have to share the blame for club championships running on so long. This idea of running of the All-Ireland championship so quickly leads to county players not being able to join clubs for a longer period of time. All -Ireland needs to be run off over a few months and give players a chance to go back and forward to club action. Have a two-week window for holidays and such during year. If a player picks up an injury it still gives them a chance to recover. As for weather, who cares, not the first-time supporters of players got wet." It's alot of years since any counties released players back to the clubs during the intercounty season
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 20/10/2022 13:15:20
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Replying To The_Fridge: "I think there are a lot of people have misread the OP's post.
I thought one of the points of a split season was to prevent club players playing in horrible conditions - the provincial championship are going to be played in Nov/Dec so the matches are going to be of poor quality.
Tyrone were knocked out of the championship at the start of June but the championship didn't start until end middle of September. The senior final is next week. The last three weekends have been horrible weather leading to poor quality games. I know league games have to be played but surely the championship - the main competition and most watched - should be played in the good weather. Especially when there is a window there.
I know its more difficult for dual counties - i get that but surely things can be tightened so the main competition can be played in the best conditions." I've written about the Tyrone thing on here before.
All your club league matches up there don't have to be played, if your clubs and County Board decide to do things differently.
Issue in Tyrone is that after the inter-county team went out, you chose to play a full league with 16 senior teams, where everybody played everybody else (so 15 rounds of matches), followed by a league final, before even starting a championship that was played on a straight knock-out basis.
One solution would be to truncate your league by running it as two groups of eight, followed by a championship with either two different groups of eight, or four groups of four.
Alternatively, you could do what we do here in Wexford - play your club league as very much a secondary competition during the inter-county season, with clubs lining out without their inter-county players. Yes, the system has its detractors in Wexford, but at least it gives games in the first part of the year to the 99% of players who aren't part of inter-county squads. And then you could start your championship on a round-robin basis as early as July (depending on when your county team finishes), instead of filling July & August weekends with league matches.
It's up to yourselves to make best use of the calendar window you have. If people there are unhappy with how club competitions are being run at the moment, then it can be changed within Tyrone itself.
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Replying To Viking66: "It's alot of years since any counties released players back to the clubs during the intercounty season" Not that long. Was it not something like a 13 or 14 rule?
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2006 - 20/10/2022 15:53:54
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Replying To Saynothing: "Not that long. Was it not something like a 13 or 14 rule?" Think it was back in the noughties but you could be right either
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 20/10/2022 16:12:53
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Replying To Saynothing: "Not that long. Was it not something like a 13 or 14 rule?" The rule is that an inter-county player can't be expected to play a club championship fixture in the same code within ten days of an inter-county match (or within 17 days of an All-Ireland Final). Counties have the power to introduce bye-laws to specify shorter periods.
But importantly, there's no obligation there to say that inter-county players have to be released to their clubs outside of those timeframes.
The only thing connected to that is a rule that says inter-county players not included in a matchday squad of 26 for a National League or a championship game shall be released to their clubs for that weekend instead.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2229 - 20/10/2022 16:24:43
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Replying To The_Fridge: "I think there are a lot of people have misread the OP's post.
I thought one of the points of a split season was to prevent club players playing in horrible conditions - the provincial championship are going to be played in Nov/Dec so the matches are going to be of poor quality.
Tyrone were knocked out of the championship at the start of June but the championship didn't start until end middle of September. The senior final is next week. The last three weekends have been horrible weather leading to poor quality games. I know league games have to be played but surely the championship - the main competition and most watched - should be played in the good weather. Especially when there is a window there.
I know its more difficult for dual counties - i get that but surely things can be tightened so the main competition can be played in the best conditions." Checked the Kerry County Competitions. The County Championship began on Sept. 20 and the final will be played on Oct. 30. The games were played each weekend with Oct. 23 left open in the event of tie(s) in the semis.
The reason for the late start was that the Club Championship was played first.
Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 749 - 20/10/2022 19:47:43
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Replying To WanPintWin: " Replying To KillingFields: "I watched a number of games which were played in Munster last Weekend. The playing conditions were atrocious.
Downpours and gale force winds. In Kerry I saw David Clifford unable to score a point from play. In another game I saw a player unable to kick the ball over from the 20 metre line. In the Cork hurling final it was difficult to make out the players at times.
It is obvious the County Boards have no respect for the players, or their safety, or for the supporters.
I commend the players for their behavior under such trying conditions.
Shame on the GAA.
Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 680 - 18/10/2022 20:16:06
I see plenty are criticising you saying the weather could be terrible in the summer well obviously it could but theres a far greater chance of better weather in the summer and they dont play games.
GAA have to do better but how do you suggest they get to play more games in summer
I take it you've never played the game before with a statement like that? Believe it or not, the weather can be fairly wild at times on an island in the Atlantic. The fact we have a dedicated split season and you now come out with this nonsense about disrespect is madness... go back to bed.
fancyaride (Mayo) - Posts: 177 - 19/10/2022 09:02:17
Ridiculous post. the OP was simply saying its madness to be playing so many games going into the late autumn and into winter when you will have much greater chance of poor weather and you could play far more games in summer when its more likely to be better weather and disrespect is right when 99% of players games are held back by the 1%...
baffling comment!!! County Boards fix games they cant fix the weather! I myself always talk about how bad are own county board are but you cant start blaming them for the bad weather too!! if they called off games because of wind and rain when would you expect championships to get time to finish.. I would love to hear your proposal on how to fix the weather problem?? we had 2 weeks in a row of really bad playing conditions in every county with numerous semi finals and finals played including my own county which I attended! worst playing conditions for a final I have seen in recent memory also both inter and senior final hugely effected by it as both the better teams and favs lost both finals by last minute goals!! but its all part of the game, its makes things all the more interesting and seeing how teams adapt!!
Garmin (Longford) - Posts: 24 - 19/10/2022 09:43:05
county boards can fix more games for summer months and ensure games are played far more in summer and not have teams idle for weeks in summer and then playing into late autumn/winter when they didnt have to" You might have missed the fact that intercounty championship was run in the summer. If county boards want to run their championships earlier, it'll be without county players. That's your solution, but it won't fly. County championships are being played earlier this year, with intercounty finishing earlier. There are only so many weeks available. The GAA calendar is one of the trickiest riddles to solve. It's definitely better for the club player this year in my opinion than it has been for a long time."
dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 21/10/2022 08:07:29
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: ""Tyrone were knocked out of the championship at the start of June but the championship didn't start until end middle of September. ' Surely that's all the feet of the Tyrone County Board, Wexford were knocked out of all intercounty championships by June 18th, 1st round of club championship was June 26-29. I taught the main purpose of the split season was to address the biggest issue in the GAA in the last 10-15 years which was the uncertainty of when club matches will and won't be played therefore preventing players from planning other aspects of their lives such as holidays, having to spend time abroad with work etc." Of course it's the fault of the Co Boards,what point do think he was making
dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 21/10/2022 08:17:07
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