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TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 01/12/2022 15:37:12 2449256 Link 0 |
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"Just from my experience of the last few years, I agree with it, to be honest with you. This year is a juncture, not the full fix. It will be a calendar year next year. That will be the ideal scenario. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8742 - 01/12/2022 16:02:38 2449258 Link 1 |
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Difference now is they no longer have to wait until February for a semi-final, so it's a month less of a slog! Also, it must be said that it wouldn't be a bad "problem" to have. I know every single player in my club would love to have the same "problem". Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2833 - 01/12/2022 16:21:28 2449259 Link 0 |
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Agree 100%. What also put us under pressure down here was the Leinster Championships starting in October. Ideally they would start in November.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15509 - 01/12/2022 16:45:27 2449264 Link 0 |
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1) Inter-county from February to July: There are going to be no club games over the 2 weekends of Christmas. Best to have the AI club finals before Christmas so that there is a clear close season. 2) Shorter timescale available for completing club championships. A compromise solution. Both counties from the same province to receive the bye. 3)Inter-county from March to August or April to September: There was a suggestion in some parts that some club players would prefer to enjoy their summer holidays! That's why I briefly discussed that option. Taking all opinions on board etc. 4) Something has to give. For longer timescale for county championships, it will put a squeeze on the timescale for the provincial and All-Ireland series. Something has to give. If you want more time for the Wexford championship, it takes time from somewhere else. 5) Again, something has to give. Club championships from August to October being 3 months. 2 months remain."]Or how about go back to where it all started? Only a little more structured or organised. Run the club championships from March to July then rather than have provincial or AI club championships the winning clubs represent their county in the Intercounty championships. Run these in August and September as straight knockout. This will solve most of people's complaints as follows- 1- playing on bad pitches in February or November/December- no adult hurling or football games in bad weather months. 2- player welfare/burnout- alot less fixtures and a good off season. No clubs to be back in training til 01 February. 3- No proper room for minor and u21 championships- These could be run in September/ October/November with a straight knockout championship. They won't clash with exams, and the Fitzgibbon and Sigerson Cups could take place in December, January and February. 4- illegal payments to intercounty managers- there won't be any intercounty managers and expenses for travelling could be reduced by insisting only club members can manage their club team. 5- no high level GAA action in high summer months August/September- the intercounty competition will be in those months 6- uncertainty for club players over fixtures- these will be run as outlined above so there will be absolute certainty 7- richer or bigger population counties having an unfair advantage- population or wealth hasn't the same bearing on club success- look at Ballyhale. 8- standard of refereeing or in particular referees not being able to keep up with the modern intercounty game- as there will be less top level players playing in any given game the games will be that little bit slower and easier to referee. So less need to abuse referees also. 9- bandwagon county supporters- lads will tend to support their own club so crowds should be easier managed size wise come the Intercounty championships. 10- undue pressure on young children- no need for intercounty development squads etc from u11 upwards. 11- arguments like ours over how many weeks should be given over to county or club fixtures- not a problem anymore as there would be alot less games with alot more weekends to play them in! In conclusion this isn't a serious proposal for change. Like all of us I love top level intercounty action. What the above is an exercise. To show how our collective greed for more and more top level intercounty action has caused all of the problems we complain about these days."]That's not a serious proposition at all."]No it's not. Just pointing out that most of the problems lads are complaining about have come about due to the demand for more and more intercounty games since the 90s. There are so many now that there's no room for club fixtures between them as intercounty managers won't release players during the intercounty season. And that's what's caused the AI finals to be in July and the club AI finals to be in January. There's no ideal solution to it now Whammo86."]Yeah fair enough, I get where you are coming from. If I was in charge I would move the club provincials and All Ireland to the start of the year. Jan/Feb/March. I'd play a tight intercounty season from April to August. Counties able to start when their county teams are both out and not before 1st August. Let counties play off their club championship as they want. If they start late and can't finish until November then so be it, doesn't impact on others because we're not running into the Provincials. 1 code county making an All Ireland can still play September and October. Most would be playing August, September or August to October. Galway are used to playing their hurling championship late in the year with no Connacht club competition and it doesn't cause an issue. The provincial and All Ireland club are the big issue and having every county expected to end their championship at the same time when they've different traditions and requirements and start at different times just doesn't make sense."]That would also work well. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15509 - 01/12/2022 16:46:07 2449265 Link 0 |
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Just wondering about this line in an earlier post (and sorry, have lost track of where it came from originally!) - Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2833 - 01/12/2022 16:51:52 2449266 Link 0 |
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So that club players can plan holidays. Start of July is a good time to allow a holiday break and then allow 2 weeks of training ahead of championships kicking off. April, May, June for club leagues. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4506 - 01/12/2022 17:21:29 2449269 Link 0 |
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And reduce the number of potential start dates. I'd say All Ireland football should be at the quarterfinals stage by 1st August, hurling at semifinal stage. Most counties starting in August. The rest have 1 of 2 other weekends where they will start things off. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4506 - 01/12/2022 17:26:52 2449270 Link 0 |
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Offaly began their Senior Hurling Championship, and Football Championships, and other adult competitions,in late June and early July. The Football finals were held in September, with the Hurling season ending in October. thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 01/12/2022 17:28:52 2449272 Link 0 |
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I've already given an example of how the club provincial and All-Ireland championships can be played over 8 weekends. October 29. Hurling Provincial Preliminary Round November 05. Hurling Provincial Quarter-finals and Football Provincial Preliminary Round. 12. Hurling Provincial Semi-finals and Football Provincial Quarter-finals. 19. Hurling Provincial Final and Football Provincial Semi-finals 26. Football Provincial Final December 03. Hurling AI Semi-finals 10. Football AI Semi-finals and Hurling AI Final 17. Football AI Final All inter-county and club championships should be aligned for that end of year schedule. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8742 - 01/12/2022 19:34:33 2449286 Link 0 |
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Okay, I see where you're coming from. But we can't have it every way. Several here are saying club players should be able to play in the best weather months of July and August. Holding up every club championship in the country for one of those months, just so some lads won't have to miss a match if they want to go on holiday, isn't conducive to that. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2833 - 02/12/2022 09:16:59 2449300 Link 0 |
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That's an unworkable example for a couple of reasons as firstly it's discriminating against dual clubs who have many players playing on both their hurling and football teams. It was just lucky Crokes only had 1 lad affected and he is only a sub for their footballers. Also secondly any teams qualifying for provincial or AI club championships will want more than a week between games to allow for proper recovery. And what happens in the event of a draw after extra time? Suppose a club like ours with 14 lads on both teams make it to the Leinster championship in both? Player welfare and the integrity of the competitions is surely more important than an arbitrary end date of Xmas? Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15509 - 02/12/2022 10:08:03 2449306 Link 0 |
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Okay, I see where you're coming from. But we can't have it every way. Several here are saying club players should be able to play in the best weather months of July and August. Holding up every club championship in the country for one of those months, just so some lads won't have to miss a match if they want to go on holiday, isn't conducive to that."]The staring demand for the split season was certainty of fixtures. Tieing the start of the County Championships to when the county exists the All Ireland was the biggest problem to fix. The way this is developing all we've done is shift the year around without fixing any problems. Tha main problem I see with the GAA calendar is that theres a long tail of Club All Ireland fixtures where some players get to extend their season into December where as others finished up back in August. How can we think this is the best way to go? One thing I'd put out there for consideration is why we roll straight from county champioships into the provincial and All Ireland? By winnig your championship in 2022 you could qualify for the Provincial & All Ireland championships to be played in 2023 (like champions leage in Soccer). Such a championship could be played alongside the following years calender with certainty of fixtures for all. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 432 - 02/12/2022 11:01:20 2449313 Link 0 |
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Okay, I see where you're coming from. But we can't have it every way. Several here are saying club players should be able to play in the best weather months of July and August. Holding up every club championship in the country for one of those months, just so some lads won't have to miss a match if they want to go on holiday, isn't conducive to that."]Yeah but the county season will be shorter and start a little later. A lot of counties do like to have the championship finish the season. As a player I preferred that too. August and September are very good months to play championship still. October less so. I don't know, it is tough to get everything perfect. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4506 - 02/12/2022 11:05:51 2449315 Link 0 |
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Okay, I see where you're coming from. But we can't have it every way. Several here are saying club players should be able to play in the best weather months of July and August. Holding up every club championship in the country for one of those months, just so some lads won't have to miss a match if they want to go on holiday, isn't conducive to that."]Maybe you put All Ireland club in February. Intercounty March to July. Clubs can start as soon as their teams are out. Counties allowed to end of October to run off club championship. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4506 - 02/12/2022 11:08:53 2449316 Link 0 |
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Okay, I see where you're coming from. But we can't have it every way. Several here are saying club players should be able to play in the best weather months of July and August. Holding up every club championship in the country for one of those months, just so some lads won't have to miss a match if they want to go on holiday, isn't conducive to that."]The staring demand for the split season was certainty of fixtures. Tieing the start of the County Championships to when the county exists the All Ireland was the biggest problem to fix. The way this is developing all we've done is shift the year around without fixing any problems. Tha main problem I see with the GAA calendar is that theres a long tail of Club All Ireland fixtures where some players get to extend their season into December where as others finished up back in August. How can we think this is the best way to go? One thing I'd put out there for consideration is why we roll straight from county champioships into the provincial and All Ireland? By winnig your championship in 2022 you could qualify for the Provincial & All Ireland championships to be played in 2023 (like champions leage in Soccer). Such a championship could be played alongside the following years calender with certainty of fixtures for all."]That's a good idea. Or like Whammo86 suggested maybe run the Provincial and AI club competitions in Jan, Feb, March altogether. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15509 - 02/12/2022 11:37:13 2449320 Link 0 |
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Okay, I see where you're coming from. But we can't have it every way. Several here are saying club players should be able to play in the best weather months of July and August. Holding up every club championship in the country for one of those months, just so some lads won't have to miss a match if they want to go on holiday, isn't conducive to that."]Or just do what any other sport does. Plays on if people are away on holidays. That's life. You can't hold games up for holidays. That's part and parcel of being a summer sport. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3746 - 02/12/2022 11:43:36 2449321 Link 0 |
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There has to be an honest conversation. To allow more time for the county club championships, the provincial and All-Ireland series will have to be completed in a shorter timescale over November and December. If a county like Wexford has 8 rounds in hurling and 8 rounds in football, in successful years of making All-Ireland finals in July, club championships might have to utilise a few midweek matches. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8742 - 02/12/2022 13:20:02 2449332 Link 0 |
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Okay, I see where you're coming from. But we can't have it every way. Several here are saying club players should be able to play in the best weather months of July and August. Holding up every club championship in the country for one of those months, just so some lads won't have to miss a match if they want to go on holiday, isn't conducive to that."]The staring demand for the split season was certainty of fixtures. Tieing the start of the County Championships to when the county exists the All Ireland was the biggest problem to fix. The way this is developing all we've done is shift the year around without fixing any problems. Tha main problem I see with the GAA calendar is that theres a long tail of Club All Ireland fixtures where some players get to extend their season into December where as others finished up back in August. How can we think this is the best way to go? One thing I'd put out there for consideration is why we roll straight from county champioships into the provincial and All Ireland? By winnig your championship in 2022 you could qualify for the Provincial & All Ireland championships to be played in 2023 (like champions leage in Soccer). Such a championship could be played alongside the following years calender with certainty of fixtures for all."]I think that we've gone from no certainty of fixtures to too much certainty of fixtures. There was a duel problem of the qualifiers where depending on results teams could be playing on different weekends and the season going to September it meant that championship had to be scheduled around intercounty activities but there was no notice for players of when that would be. Some flexibility where club players know that they start championship on one of 3 weekends could be a decent compromise and would mean that potentially good Summer days for club action aren't going to waste needlessly or that we rush our Intercounty competitions. Being able to know that in March to June or July that you can take a break and not miss championship would improve a lot of quality for life for club players. I retired early as football and life got in the way of one another and just a little bit of more structure would've made a big difference for me. I'm sure others would be in a similar boat. The full ability to know the schedule before the season starts is too inflexible in my book. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4506 - 02/12/2022 14:16:03 2449339 Link 0 |
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I'd say people would be prepared to accommodate the county team by doing that if necessary in July and August as we don't reach AI finals very often. Problem would start when the dark evenings kick in. That's why scheduling Football and Hurling for the same weekend during the provincial and AI series isn't going to work always especially at Intermediate and Junior levels. Best not to set dates in stone.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15509 - 02/12/2022 16:36:05 2449355 Link 0 |