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Replying To Pikeman96: "It's amusing to see ForeverBlue2 continue to dig his heels in when he's so clearly wrong, but he did say something at one stage that has had me thinking. Consider the case where a ball passes directly over the black spot at the centre of the crossbar, but also passes above the height of the posts. This is the best I can do by way of graphically representing it here: o \| \| \| \| \| \| --------- \| \| The ball is clearly passing between the planes of where the posts would be if they were taller. However, it's not passing between the posts themselves. Therefore, a strict interpretation of the Rule Book means this is not a point. To be clear - I'm not suggesting a referee or umpire should not award a point there. I'm suggesting it's an anomaly of the Rule Book that maybe should be addressed." Ah look that garsun from Cavan is out of his depth in this argument. No matter what his own hallucinations are, him and his referees are not applying the rules of Gaelic Football as they are written. Whether Hawkeye is fit for purpose is debatable but what is not up for debate is that the guy from Cavan has no idea of the rules of the games. Once more he is digging so far that there is nowhere to go and he ends up proving that he should probably surrender to the guys in white coats ( and not umpires coats). Mad stuff he comes up with. ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 386 - 01/08/2024 10:42:41 2563363 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "It's amusing to see ForeverBlue2 continue to dig his heels in when he's so clearly wrong, but he did say something at one stage that has had me thinking. Consider the case where a ball passes directly over the black spot at the centre of the crossbar, but also passes above the height of the posts. This is the best I can do by way of graphically representing it here: o \| \| \| \| \| \| --------- \| \| The ball is clearly passing between the planes of where the posts would be if they were taller. However, it's not passing between the posts themselves. Therefore, a strict interpretation of the Rule Book means this is not a point. To be clear - I'm not suggesting a referee or umpire should not award a point there. I'm suggesting it's an anomaly of the Rule Book that maybe should be addressed." I am clearly right and your illustration proves that without doubt regardless of an anomaly…. My original view correctly stands … Hawk eye deprived Galway from getting a perfectly good point because the umpire hadn't the stones to put his hand up… this shows without a shred of doubt that Hawk Eye is a flawed system…. May have cost Galway an All Ireland but some Galway posters here seem very happy with this which seems strange…!!! ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 01/08/2024 10:48:47 2563365 Link
Just to point out (quickly as possible!) that the graphic above doesn't appear the way I typed it in. All the spaces between the posts have disappeared, and also the spaces I used to put the 'o' (representing the ball) directly over the middle of the crossbar. Statement remains though that strictly speaking, Rule Book means that a ball that passes directly over middle of the crossbar, but which also passes over the height of the posts, should not be given as a point. Ball hasn't passed between the posts, because the posts aren't tall enough! As stated, this is an anomaly, that was surely an unintended one. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 01/08/2024 10:53:19 2563367 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "I am clearly right and your illustration proves that without doubt regardless of an anomaly…. My original view correctly stands … Hawk eye deprived Galway from getting a perfectly good point because the umpire hadn't the stones to put his hand up… this shows without a shred of doubt that Hawk Eye is a flawed system…. May have cost Galway an All Ireland but some Galway posters here seem very happy with this which seems strange…!!!" You do realise even if the umpires signalled a point Sunday Hawkeye would have intervened and ruled it a wide or is this another thing you have no grasp of jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1285 - 01/08/2024 10:56:07 2563369 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "And you are Dougal.... If the ball crosses over the top of the post and the umpire and referee determines that the ball would have went between the posts if making contact then who are you to say they are wrong…. are you some sort of expert or something..? All on here are missing the main point that Hawk eyes calls every shot that makes even the slightest contact with the simulated uprights as being a miss… That's why the line shown is often inside the post and the caption comes up as a NIL… this is what happened with Comers effort on Sunday.. BBC showed that nearly all of the ball was inside the post but it came up as a NIL.. and you agrees with this…?" I honestly can't see how you still don't get this. The Rule Book states that the ball must pass between the posts. If it passes over a post, then it hasn't passed between them. It hasn't even passed between where the posts would be if they were a bit taller. As previously stated, the fact that it might have bounced a certain way off a taller post is absolutely irrelevant. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 01/08/2024 10:58:58 2563371 Link
Mind boggling stuff from posters here and worrying that it's contagious Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1916 - 01/08/2024 11:09:05 2563375 Link
Time to give up Foreverblue. You are completely wrong. eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1958 - 01/08/2024 11:12:14 2563378 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "Just to point out (quickly as possible!) that the graphic above doesn't appear the way I typed it in. All the spaces between the posts have disappeared, and also the spaces I used to put the 'o' (representing the ball) directly over the middle of the crossbar. Statement remains though that strictly speaking, Rule Book means that a ball that passes directly over middle of the crossbar, but which also passes over the height of the posts, should not be given as a point. Ball hasn't passed between the posts, because the posts aren't tall enough! As stated, this is an anomaly, that was surely an unintended one." This just cements my argument completely… a ball that goes straight between the posts but over the hight of the posts should be ruled as no score according to the GAA rule book…. Is this what you're saying ( not you as such but the rule ) ..? Is this the actual rule.. I am not in any way arguing with you on this… This would happen multiple times in hurling matches all over the country..! ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 01/08/2024 11:21:45 2563381 Link
Replying To jm25: "You do realise even if the umpires signalled a point Sunday Hawkeye would have intervened and ruled it a wide or is this another thing you have no grasp of" I was of the opinion that hawk eye could only be called in by the umpire when he found himself asleep at the post and couldn't make his mind up or see where the ball went ( football only )…. Not much need for umpires in Croke park so if that's the case.. ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 01/08/2024 11:27:25 2563385 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "Just to point out (quickly as possible!) that the graphic above doesn't appear the way I typed it in. All the spaces between the posts have disappeared, and also the spaces I used to put the 'o' (representing the ball) directly over the middle of the crossbar. Statement remains though that strictly speaking, Rule Book means that a ball that passes directly over middle of the crossbar, but which also passes over the height of the posts, should not be given as a point. Ball hasn't passed between the posts, because the posts aren't tall enough! As stated, this is an anomaly, that was surely an unintended one." This just cements my argument completely… a ball that goes straight between the posts but over the hight of the posts should be ruled as no score according to the GAA rule book…. Is this what you're saying ( not you as such but the rule ) ..? Is this the actual rule.. I am not in any way arguing with you on this… This would happen multiple times in hurling matches all over the country..! ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 01/08/2024 11:27:54 2563386 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "I was of the opinion that hawk eye could only be called in by the umpire when he found himself asleep at the post and couldn't make his mind up or see where the ball went ( football only )…. Not much need for umpires in Croke park so if that's the case.." Your opinion would be wrong on this again jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1285 - 01/08/2024 11:44:32 2563389 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "I was of the opinion that hawk eye could only be called in by the umpire when he found himself asleep at the post and couldn't make his mind up or see where the ball went ( football only )…. Not much need for umpires in Croke park so if that's the case.." No, Hawkeye can intervene all right. Example that springs most readily to my mind comes from the 2019 hurling semi-final between Wexford and Tipperary. Lee Chin had an attempt for a point, the ball was batted out from just over the crossbar by Tipp goalkeeper Brian Hogan, and Tipp went down the field and scored a "point" at the other end. Then Hawkeye got involved and ruled that the Lee Chin effort had passed over the bar before being batted back out, so Wexford were awarded a score, and Tipperary weren't. Realise this might open up that other can of worms about whether or not Hawkeye can actually determine if the ball has passed over the crossbar, or just if it has passed between the posts, but that's a separate issue to just verifying that it can intervene anyway, irrespective of on-field decisions. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 01/08/2024 11:54:22 2563393 Link
Replying To eoinog: "Time to give up Foreverblue. You are completely wrong." I'm completely right ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 01/08/2024 11:56:47 2563395 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "I'm completely right" Please STOP IT. You are embarrassing the county name and it's not just on this thread. CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 122 - 01/08/2024 12:29:46 2563407 Link
Replying To jm25: "You do realise even if the umpires signalled a point Sunday Hawkeye would have intervened and ruled it a wide or is this another thing you have no grasp of" I think the point is that Hawkeye is a poor system.The ball did not go over the post at all.It wasn't that high.Obviously because it signalled nil on day that's what the decision was but doesn't mean it was right.Its not the first time it has been wrong.What other sports use systems like this?Does rugby have a system for penalty kicks, drop goals or conversations and what is it?Doesn't seem to be as much controversy there with these kicks? Alwaysencourage (Galway) - Posts: 369 - 01/08/2024 12:33:35 2563410 Link
Replying To Alwaysencourage: "I think the point is that Hawkeye is a poor system.The ball did not go over the post at all.It wasn't that high.Obviously because it signalled nil on day that's what the decision was but doesn't mean it was right.Its not the first time it has been wrong.What other sports use systems like this?Does rugby have a system for penalty kicks, drop goals or conversations and what is it?Doesn't seem to be as much controversy there with these kicks?" It's just that there is more in football maybe 50 a game compared to 10 or so. As far I know rugby is purely down to touch judges behind goal and kicking from ground ball doesn't go as high as from the hand jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1285 - 01/08/2024 12:50:03 2563413 Link
If any percentage of the ball is over the post is it a wide ? If 0.09 percent of the ball is reported to be over the post is it a wide ? Is it different for hurling which has a smaller ball? What kind of calibrating is conducted between the two games? Kew (Galway) - Posts: 100 - 01/08/2024 13:05:51 2563417 Link
Replying To jm25: "It's just that there is more in football maybe 50 a game compared to 10 or so. As far I know rugby is purely down to touch judges behind goal and kicking from ground ball doesn't go as high as from the hand" From the angle on the video that I watched which is more or less from behind the kicker, Michael Comer, it is clear that the ball is higher than the post for much of it's flight but can't say if it is or not when it crosses the line. Regarding direction it's very tight certainly not "definitely a point" or "definitely wide" as many are calling it. To me, and I'm not a mind reader, Comer's reaction suggests he may not have been too sure either. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 795 - 01/08/2024 13:24:10 2563422 Link
Replying To Kew: "If any percentage of the ball is over the post is it a wide ? If 0.09 percent of the ball is reported to be over the post is it a wide ? Is it different for hurling which has a smaller ball? What kind of calibrating is conducted between the two games?" This is the point I'm trying to make here but a lot here can't grasp it… You are right about any part of the ball no matter how tiny being over the post then Hawk Eye will indicate it as a wide which is ridiculous.. But if the rule as stated by another poster is correct about any ball over the hight of the posts deemed to not be a score then the GAA need to rewrite this rule as it's a joke… I admit to never having heard of this and find it hard to be correct.. ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 01/08/2024 14:05:26 2563433 Link
Mickey Harte Lee Keegan Oisin Mc Conville said that the Comer Hawkeye ruling looked like a wrong call Calibrate that. Hawkeye is picking and choosing the winners This is nothing new, there are plenty of examples. maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1218 - 01/08/2024 14:08:54 2563434 Link