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There is generally one common denominator, Addiction. People who rack up that many convictions just dont care anymore. By that I mean that their need out weighs the risk to their liberty.
I would need to see the official statistics and data, is that information widely available to support what you are saying?
Contrary to what you seem to think there is a maximum sentence to each crime or offence so " locking them up for life" isnt an option and never will be for shop lifting or possession. Most people with over 100 convictions have them for minor crimes.
20 years isn't life, a nice hefty sentence would remove such hassle from society for a long time. We are too soft on crime.
If they were serious criminals they would have over 100 as they would be locked up for much longer periods throughout their life. Of course there are always exceptions but when you see over 100 convictions think serious addiction and/or mental health issues. Its normally on the money.
Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 267 - 30/04/2026 11:49:05
At which point does stealing vehicles, assault shop managers who challenge you for parking in their door way or robbing/Vulnerable elderly people become serious?
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1797 - 30/04/2026 16:49:55
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Replying To Commodore: "There is generally one common denominator, Addiction. People who rack up that many convictions just dont care anymore. By that I mean that their need out weighs the risk to their liberty.
I would need to see the official statistics and data, is that information widely available to support what you are saying?
Contrary to what you seem to think there is a maximum sentence to each crime or offence so " locking them up for life" isnt an option and never will be for shop lifting or possession. Most people with over 100 convictions have them for minor crimes.
20 years isn't life, a nice hefty sentence would remove such hassle from society for a long time. We are too soft on crime.
If they were serious criminals they would have over 100 as they would be locked up for much longer periods throughout their life. Of course there are always exceptions but when you see over 100 convictions think serious addiction and/or mental health issues. Its normally on the money.
Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 267 - 30/04/2026 11:49:05
At which point does stealing vehicles, assault shop managers who challenge you for parking in their door way or robbing/Vulnerable elderly people become serious?" 20 years is far too excessive for very minor crimes even if it is 100 plus convictions. it isnt a deterrant for many as they do so for addiction reasons etc.
putting them in jail for 20 years at such a high cost to the state isnt the solution to anything
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Prisons are too overcrowded as they are. We simply don't have the capacity to incarcerate habitual, petty offenders for lengthy sentences.
I'd suggest the establishment of a national rehabilitation centre - but recent updates on the National Children's hospital would leave you skeptical that any big infra projects can be competently built in this country.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 10312 - 01/05/2026 10:43:06
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Prisons are too overcrowded as they are. We simply don't have the capacity to incarcerate habitual, petty offenders for lengthy sentences.
I'd suggest the establishment of a national rehabilitation centre - but recent updates on the National Children's hospital would leave you skeptical that any big infra projects can be competently built in this country." I think that we would be quite able to build or construct large projects here - if they were properly and completely designed from day one. We go about everything half assed. As a result you get the children's Hosp ( which seems to be being tweaked at the minute), a lift in a new court house that only holds 12 people ( juries have to go in 2 shifts) Luas lines that don't or didn't interconnect and when they did the gauge on the lines were different sizes, flyovers on some motorways that can't take the super trucks seen on the continent as they aren't high enough. An Eircode system that some companies can't or won't use, Seweage treatment plants that don't comply with the latest regs as soon as they are complete. The list goes on.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 2247 - 01/05/2026 11:26:38
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Replying To Commodore: "There is generally one common denominator, Addiction. People who rack up that many convictions just dont care anymore. By that I mean that their need out weighs the risk to their liberty.
I would need to see the official statistics and data, is that information widely available to support what you are saying?
Contrary to what you seem to think there is a maximum sentence to each crime or offence so " locking them up for life" isnt an option and never will be for shop lifting or possession. Most people with over 100 convictions have them for minor crimes.
20 years isn't life, a nice hefty sentence would remove such hassle from society for a long time. We are too soft on crime.
If they were serious criminals they would have over 100 as they would be locked up for much longer periods throughout their life. Of course there are always exceptions but when you see over 100 convictions think serious addiction and/or mental health issues. Its normally on the money.
Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 267 - 30/04/2026 11:49:05
At which point does stealing vehicles, assault shop managers who challenge you for parking in their door way or robbing/Vulnerable elderly people become serious?" One of the stats that was no on the link I gave was that about three quarters of those in prison are in there for less than a year. Then you look at the stats of who ends up in prison and the conditions in there. It costs 100K to keep someone in prison for a year.
Post independence Dev spent so much effort on trying to prove that we were not like the colonial masters however the one thing that he completely neglected was the creation of a just society so we just copied their class and structural bias that had helped them rule and exploit the world. There and then was a chance to really distinguish ourselves from the colonial past but it was never taken. Anything else would of course have been considered too close to socialism and never allowed by the CC. Today everyone wants tax cuts, new motorways etc but whatever you do don't spend money on resolving the inherent structural society issues.
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Replying To KillingFields: " Replying To Commodore: "<b>There is generally one common denominator, Addiction. People who rack up that many convictions just dont care anymore. By that I mean that their need out weighs the risk to their liberty.</b>
I would need to see the official statistics and data, is that information widely available to support what you are saying?
<b>Contrary to what you seem to think there is a maximum sentence to each crime or offence so " locking them up for life" isnt an option and never will be for shop lifting or possession. Most people with over 100 convictions have them for minor crimes. </b>
20 years isn't life, a nice hefty sentence would remove such hassle from society for a long time. We are too soft on crime.
If they were serious criminals they would have over 100 as they would be locked up for much longer periods throughout their life. Of course there are always exceptions but when you see over 100 convictions think serious addiction and/or mental health issues. Its normally on the money.
Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 267 - 30/04/2026 11:49:05 </b>
At which point does stealing vehicles, assault shop managers who challenge you for parking in their door way or robbing/Vulnerable elderly people become serious?"</div>20 years is far too excessive for very minor crimes even if it is 100 plus convictions. it isnt a deterrant for many as they do so for addiction reasons etc.
putting them in jail for 20 years at such a high cost to the state isnt the solution to anything" The carrot works for some people, the stick is needed for others. In my opinion, the stick is more effective when dealing with those who do not respect law and order.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5321 - 01/05/2026 12:51:58
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Prisons are too overcrowded as they are. We simply don't have the capacity to incarcerate habitual, petty offenders for lengthy sentences.
I'd suggest the establishment of a national rehabilitation centre - but recent updates on the National Children's hospital would leave you skeptical that any big infra projects can be competently built in this country." They've just spend €15 million building prefab homes for prisoners in the grounds of a number of prisons. Mental stuff when they should be building cell blocks.
Also as reported an entire wing in Portlaoise is reserved for just four "political" prisoners. Again a lot of rubbish.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 12064 - 01/05/2026 13:10:39
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Prisons are too overcrowded as they are. We simply don't have the capacity to incarcerate habitual, petty offenders for lengthy sentences.
I'd suggest the establishment of a national rehabilitation centre - but recent updates on the National Children's hospital would leave you skeptical that any big infra projects can be competently built in this country." Then build more prisons, and start seizing assets of repeat offenders to help fund their incarceration.
Rehabilitation is a worthy ambition, but the evidence in Ireland shows it is currently ineffective based on the number of repeat offenders running around, so I would focus initially on stronger prison sentences to protect innocent law abiding citizens first, until we figure out a more scientifically effective approach.
Examples of Elderly people getting burgled.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2018/0124/935742-burglary-aughnacloy/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-30190721
https://www.donegaldaily.com/news/elderly-people-robbed-at-knifepoint-during-raid-on-house-271018
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/woman-91-dies-after-attack-1.154055
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1797 - 01/05/2026 13:26:58
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Replying To Freethinker: "I think that we would be quite able to build or construct large projects here - if they were properly and completely designed from day one. We go about everything half assed. As a result you get the children's Hosp ( which seems to be being tweaked at the minute), a lift in a new court house that only holds 12 people ( juries have to go in 2 shifts) Luas lines that don't or didn't interconnect and when they did the gauge on the lines were different sizes, flyovers on some motorways that can't take the super trucks seen on the continent as they aren't high enough. An Eircode system that some companies can't or won't use, Seweage treatment plants that don't comply with the latest regs as soon as they are complete. The list goes on." 100% agree regarding better planning.
But projects like the >300K Bicycle shed for Leinster House, that price and how it was successfully tendered for by a relative of a Government TD should have raised alarm bells.. Makes me think the system is flawed.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1797 - 01/05/2026 13:50:07
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