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Replying To WanPintWin: "Looking at the Italia 90 squad, apart from Tony Cascarino, who actually didn't have any Irish blood relation, I think that's pretty disingenuous.
Mick McCarthy's father was from Waterford, Ray Houghton's father was from Donegal, Kevin Sheedy's father was from Clare, both of Alan McLoughlin's parents were Irish, David Kelly and John Sheridan had Irish fathers, Chris Morris and Chris Hughton had Irish mothers. Only John Aldridge, Andy Townsend and Bernie Slaven qualified through having Irish grandparents.
Are you telling me they didn't know where their own parents were from?
It was called the granny rule at them time, but in most cases back they actually had Irish parents.
It's more likely to be a grandparent in this generation now, due to the passing of time." I am winding up our Cavan friend who is having a pop at CJ Stander who was absolutely brilliant for Ireland. I don't care who plays for Ireland if they are eligible to do so and give it their all then I welcome it.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8306 - 11/03/2025 12:59:08
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Replying To peiledoir20: "Did Rory Gallagher have 'relations' in Cavan when he rocked up to play for them in the late 2000s??
Im sure you were just as outraged with him then as you are with the Irish Rugby players now." No I didn't like that at all … a bit like Brogan and Martin Carney not knowing whether they were Mayo men or Donegal men…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3570 - 11/03/2025 13:09:05
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Replying To WanPintWin: "Are you comparing Tadhg Kennelly to CJ Stander in terms of being Irish? Kennelly was born and reared in Ireland and moved to Australia as an adult for his career. His similarity to Stander is only if you were to argue that Kennelly is Australian to Stander being Irish.
Kennelly wasn't born in Australia to Australian parents, and decided to come over for a few years to play for Kerry.
I have no issue with players who qualified on residency playing rugby for Ireland, but you're undermining your own argument with the analogy above. It doesn't make any sense.
Stander was a great servant to Munster rugby and the Irish team, and played for both teams with pride and distinction. However, he'd be the first to admit he's a South African who played for Ireland. He never acquired Irish citizenship either." I am slagging our Cavan poster after fulfilling what he wanted to do in Ireland he moved straight back to where he spent most his adult life like stander did
jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1386 - 11/03/2025 13:13:14
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Replying To TheFlaker: "I am winding up our Cavan friend who is having a pop at CJ Stander who was absolutely brilliant for Ireland. I don't care who plays for Ireland if they are eligible to do so and give it their all then I welcome it." The Irish rugby team are not really seen as representives of Ireland as you don't need to be Irish to actually play and even in away games they refuse to stand to the national anthem…. players would rather be singing some other nonsense…. See how the French ( players and supporters ) sang the French anthem with gusto…! Will that happen with us in Italy next weekend…? Will it heck…! Disgraceful
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3570 - 11/03/2025 13:15:53
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Replying To boxtyburgerbuns: "Wild that Manchester United going to leave a historic 74,000 seater stadium, which could be improved with funding to build a brand new stadium down the road for 2 billion. The logic escapes me" And sack the char lady to pay for it.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1480 - 11/03/2025 13:34:32
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Lads you're not dealing with a logical person here
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12265 - 11/03/2025 13:57:04
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "No I didn't like that at all … a bit like Brogan and Martin Carney not knowing whether they were Mayo men or Donegal men…" Bit of a difference in the commuting times from Mayo to Donegal. Fermanagh to Cavan a lot closer?
And to add further insult to injury he went back to play for Fermanagh again. What does that say about Cavan who welcomed him with open arms in the first place? Or Seanie Johnson transferring to Kildare to play 5 minutes of a hurling game? Embarrassing.
Maybe look closer to home when having a pop at perceived 'mercanries'...
peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1142 - 11/03/2025 13:57:43
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Replying To peiledoir20: "Bit of a difference in the commuting times from Mayo to Donegal. Fermanagh to Cavan a lot closer?
And to add further insult to injury he went back to play for Fermanagh again. What does that say about Cavan who welcomed him with open arms in the first place? Or Seanie Johnson transferring to Kildare to play 5 minutes of a hurling game? Embarrassing.
Maybe look closer to home when having a pop at perceived 'mercanries'..." Depends doesn't it? Ballina to Bundoran is closer than Ederney to Mullagh? Stupid comparisons all round
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12265 - 11/03/2025 14:26:22
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "The Irish rugby team are not really seen as representives of Ireland as you don't need to be Irish to actually play and even in away games they refuse to stand to the national anthem…. players would rather be singing some other nonsense…. See how the French ( players and supporters ) sang the French anthem with gusto…! Will that happen with us in Italy next weekend…? Will it heck…! Disgraceful" Ireland's history is more complicated than France in that our country was colonialised & partitioned. I don't know anyone who particularly likes Ireland's Call either but it's a small price to pay to have the whole country playing together in the one team. We have to cater for both traditions, because like it or not, there are people from part of this Island where Amhran na Bhfiann is not their anthem and the country will never be re-united again if we don't recognise that and compromise . (I would also argue that it is better that The Rose of Tralee that was played as Irelands "national anthem" at the 1987 World Cup!)
Also France has players who came from South Africa & New Zealand as well over the years. New Zealand, England, Wales, Scotland etc have all done the same. I would agree that any non-Irish national playing for Ireland now would have preferred to play for the country of their birth originally, but now that they are playing for Ireland, which they are fully entitled to do, they are fully committed and making Ireland a much better team. We really missed Lowe & Hansen against France.
I agree with jm25 that I also don't care who plays for Ireland if they are eligible to do so and give it their all.
county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1122 - 11/03/2025 14:43:26
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Replying To Breffni40: "Depends doesn't it? Ballina to Bundoran is closer than Ederney to Mullagh? Stupid comparisons all round" Here comes the brains of the Cavan operation :)
OK let's talk comparatively, was Rory born in Cavan? Because Carney was born and grew up in Donegal and then moved to Mayo to teach. Subsequently transferred to a Mayo club an old went on to represent Mayo and he had settled with a family there.
How many clubs did Rory bounce around? 4 off the top of my head. 2 counties, 3 if you count his return to Fermanagh.
So what is stupid is to compare Martin Carney to one of the biggest mercanries to have played GAA.
peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1142 - 11/03/2025 14:53:41
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Replying To peiledoir20: "Here comes the brains of the Cavan operation :)
OK let's talk comparatively, was Rory born in Cavan? Because Carney was born and grew up in Donegal and then moved to Mayo to teach. Subsequently transferred to a Mayo club an old went on to represent Mayo and he had settled with a family there.
How many clubs did Rory bounce around? 4 off the top of my head. 2 counties, 3 if you count his return to Fermanagh.
So what is stupid is to compare Martin Carney to one of the biggest mercanries to have played GAA." Yeah it wasn't a serious comparison, same as yours. Try not to focus on posters' county when trying to even your wit. Foreverblue is talking nonsense and you're joining in with the same
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12265 - 11/03/2025 15:58:56
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Replying To county man: "Ireland's history is more complicated than France in that our country was colonialised & partitioned. I don't know anyone who particularly likes Ireland's Call either but it's a small price to pay to have the whole country playing together in the one team. We have to cater for both traditions, because like it or not, there are people from part of this Island where Amhran na Bhfiann is not their anthem and the country will never be re-united again if we don't recognise that and compromise . (I would also argue that it is better that The Rose of Tralee that was played as Irelands "national anthem" at the 1987 World Cup!)
Also France has players who came from South Africa & New Zealand as well over the years. New Zealand, England, Wales, Scotland etc have all done the same. I would agree that any non-Irish national playing for Ireland now would have preferred to play for the country of their birth originally, but now that they are playing for Ireland, which they are fully entitled to do, they are fully committed and making Ireland a much better team. We really missed Lowe & Hansen against France.
I agree with jm25 that I also don't care who plays for Ireland if they are eligible to do so and give it their all." Well said. Unfortunately there are people on this forum that logic is wasted upon. Ironically they'll be the same ones pining for a united Ireland and fail to see, or rather they choose to ignore, the fact that the Irish rugby team is a perfect example of how things can work. Something tells me that their opinion is rarely sought and this forum is their only way of getting a bit of attention.
They'll also fail to grasp the fact that part of rugby culture is the ability to move around the world and that you're welcome regardless of where you come from. There's a mutual respect that if you've the guts to play it then you're accepted.
James Lowe, Bundee Aki, Gibson Park etc. were nowhere near a breakthrough when they came to Ireland. They grew as players here. Maybe they feel at home here? Of course there are contributors here who won't be happy regardless. They'll be offended that they're here and offended if they didn't want to be here. You'll never win arguing with a fool.
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Replying To peiledoir20: "Here comes the brains of the Cavan operation :)
OK let's talk comparatively, was Rory born in Cavan? Because Carney was born and grew up in Donegal and then moved to Mayo to teach. Subsequently transferred to a Mayo club an old went on to represent Mayo and he had settled with a family there.
How many clubs did Rory bounce around? 4 off the top of my head. 2 counties, 3 if you count his return to Fermanagh.
So what is stupid is to compare Martin Carney to one of the biggest mercanries to have played GAA." He bounced around a few jobs in Donegal too let's not forget
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12265 - 11/03/2025 16:39:21
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "The Irish rugby team are not really seen as representives of Ireland as you don't need to be Irish to actually play and even in away games they refuse to stand to the national anthem…. players would rather be singing some other nonsense…. See how the French ( players and supporters ) sang the French anthem with gusto…! Will that happen with us in Italy next weekend…? Will it heck…! Disgraceful" Nonsense.
All sports have players playing for their countries based on residency rules. Natural in the world we now live in. We will likely see plenty of irish born or irish heritage athletes compete for australia in future years because of numbers who emigrated there in recent years.
Who gives a s*** about national anthem before many games. Its overplayed before aporting events in many cases anyway.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3735 - 11/03/2025 17:38:47
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Replying To ThePowerhouse: "Well said. Unfortunately there are people on this forum that logic is wasted upon. Ironically they'll be the same ones pining for a united Ireland and fail to see, or rather they choose to ignore, the fact that the Irish rugby team is a perfect example of how things can work. Something tells me that their opinion is rarely sought and this forum is their only way of getting a bit of attention.
They'll also fail to grasp the fact that part of rugby culture is the ability to move around the world and that you're welcome regardless of where you come from. There's a mutual respect that if you've the guts to play it then you're accepted.
James Lowe, Bundee Aki, Gibson Park etc. were nowhere near a breakthrough when they came to Ireland. They grew as players here. Maybe they feel at home here? Of course there are contributors here who won't be happy regardless. They'll be offended that they're here and offended if they didn't want to be here. You'll never win arguing with a fool." Brilliant post but the whingers won't agree
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Replying To ThePowerhouse: "Well said. Unfortunately there are people on this forum that logic is wasted upon. Ironically they'll be the same ones pining for a united Ireland and fail to see, or rather they choose to ignore, the fact that the Irish rugby team is a perfect example of how things can work. Something tells me that their opinion is rarely sought and this forum is their only way of getting a bit of attention.
They'll also fail to grasp the fact that part of rugby culture is the ability to move around the world and that you're welcome regardless of where you come from. There's a mutual respect that if you've the guts to play it then you're accepted.
James Lowe, Bundee Aki, Gibson Park etc. were nowhere near a breakthrough when they came to Ireland. They grew as players here. Maybe they feel at home here? Of course there are contributors here who won't be happy regardless. They'll be offended that they're here and offended if they didn't want to be here. You'll never win arguing with a fool." They weren't eligible to play for Ireland when the IRFU brought them here as project players.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7818 - 11/03/2025 17:53:40
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Replying To KillingFields: "Nonsense.
All sports have players playing for their countries based on residency rules. Natural in the world we now live in. We will likely see plenty of irish born or irish heritage athletes compete for australia in future years because of numbers who emigrated there in recent years.
Who gives a s*** about national anthem before many games. Its overplayed before aporting events in many cases anyway." Plenty of people care, just look at all the teams who belt out their national anthems and tears in their eyes. It's a source of pride.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2186 - 11/03/2025 17:54:54
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Replying To KillingFields: "Nonsense.
All sports have players playing for their countries based on residency rules. Natural in the world we now live in. We will likely see plenty of irish born or irish heritage athletes compete for australia in future years because of numbers who emigrated there in recent years.
Who gives a s*** about national anthem before many games. Its overplayed before aporting events in many cases anyway." Who gives a s***e about the nonsense that is "Irelands Call" … any Irish person with any self respect would surely rather hear their National Anthem instead of that muck…. The French certainly belted out their version with gusto ….
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3570 - 11/03/2025 19:23:54
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Replying To ThePowerhouse: "Well said. Unfortunately there are people on this forum that logic is wasted upon. Ironically they'll be the same ones pining for a united Ireland and fail to see, or rather they choose to ignore, the fact that the Irish rugby team is a perfect example of how things can work. Something tells me that their opinion is rarely sought and this forum is their only way of getting a bit of attention.
They'll also fail to grasp the fact that part of rugby culture is the ability to move around the world and that you're welcome regardless of where you come from. There's a mutual respect that if you've the guts to play it then you're accepted.
James Lowe, Bundee Aki, Gibson Park etc. were nowhere near a breakthrough when they came to Ireland. They grew as players here. Maybe they feel at home here? Of course there are contributors here who won't be happy regardless. They'll be offended that they're here and offended if they didn't want to be here. You'll never win arguing with a fool." You will certainly never win an argument when you're completely wrong…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3570 - 11/03/2025 19:26:47
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Replying To Breffni40: "He bounced around a few jobs in Donegal too let's not forget" As a manager, not a player.
Do try and keep up.
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