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They say a lot of the women in America wouldn't vote for a woman and I suppose there's still a lot of men who wouldn't vote for a woman as President, not easy getting a woman elected if that is the case,

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3028 - 07/11/2024 13:08:58    2578779

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Replying To Breffni40:  "They elected a celebrity"
Isn't that what happened here when we voted Nina Carbery into Europe….???

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3025 - 07/11/2024 13:10:04    2578780

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Replying To Trump2020:  "BOTH Obamas were out campaigning for Harris as well as the Clintons and countless celebrities and they STILL lost in a landslide! I think you OVERESTIMATE the pull of Michelle Obama. Whitmer? She couldn't prevent Trump from taking Michigan and the rest of the so called Blue Wall. Shapiro makes more sense than your other suggestions though he'd have a problem in Michigan and places with large Muslim populations."
A lot can change in 4 years. And that's unfair on Whitmer. That was a protest vote in a State that's not guaranteed red or blue.

Also you can't pin blame on the Obamas. They can't swing a vote that much if they are not the actual candidate.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 07/11/2024 13:17:22    2578783

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "As long as them Green yokes are gone I think we'll get a decent enough gov, SF will never see power in this country for a very long time if ever.
Has to be demoralising for the likes of our own Pearse Doherty, a very able politician to know he'll likely always be in opposition."
I think FF won't go into coalition with SF as long as Martin is leader, that might change if Jim O Callaghan got the leadership of FF.
SF see themselves as a left wing party in the 26 counties (not the case in the 6 counties) but the other left wing parties turn their nose up at them. In realty SF need to be clear what they stand for as no- one knows what they stand for any more and remember what their primary objective is .

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 338 - 07/11/2024 13:19:19    2578784

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Isn't that what happened here when we voted Nina Carbery into Europe….???"
Yep , Gráinne Seoige might be another one too

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12198 - 07/11/2024 13:20:26    2578785

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Isn't that what happened here when we voted Nina Carbery into Europe….???"
I've gotten grainne seogihe leaflet this week she is FF

Don't forget the rose of Tralee one too

jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1285 - 07/11/2024 13:20:27    2578787

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Replying To cavanman47:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=cavanman47:  "OK. If we take Median income instead of Average then we have to take median house prices instead of average too.
It only works if you go like for like.

Median income for a couple works out at 85k plus change. That allows borrowing of 297.5k for a mortgage of 327.25k.
That's enough for the median house price in 22 of the 26 counties (data doesn't include the 6 counties).

Of course, it's not enough for a house in Dublin - so back to my point: people need to open their mind to the notion of a commute to work.


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Median salary in Ireland is 36k pa.
Also you are using an example which isn't typical of the average Irish household. Most families do not have 2 parents working fulltime.
And you aren't factoring in childcare costs for those families who are.
Finally Median house prices include numerous 1 bedroom apartments which aren't suitable for families in the 1st place."
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That's simply not true.
It was over 43k in 2023.

link"]Median wage is 37800 for 24-29 year olds. The Median house price statistic you gave also includes many properties that are too small for young families. And the final point you haven't addressed is most young familes don't have 2 people in full-time employment.
Bottom line is family homes are out of reach for most young families in this country.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13852 - 07/11/2024 13:23:46    2578788

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Replying To cavanman47:  "They're not hamstrung tho.

If nobody votes for FF or FG, then they won't be in government.

But people will vote for them. In huge numbers. Because, despite what those who shout loudest about doom and gloom tell you, the country is doing well."
"I'm alright Jack, pull the ladder up"

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12198 - 07/11/2024 13:36:49    2578794

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Replying To jm25:  "I've gotten grainne seogihe leaflet this week she is FF

Don't forget the rose of Tralee one too"
Lads ye do realise these people also had jobs. You can debate how effective they are as politicians but you can't just call them celebrities as if they are online influencers who do nothing day to day.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 07/11/2024 15:02:26    2578810

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Lads ye do realise these people also had jobs. You can debate how effective they are as politicians but you can't just call them celebrities as if they are online influencers who do nothing day to day."
They are celebrities though and almost certainly would not be chosen or get elected off their own backs if they weren't

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12198 - 07/11/2024 15:32:34    2578814

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Lads ye do realise these people also had jobs. You can debate how effective they are as politicians but you can't just call them celebrities as if they are online influencers who do nothing day to day."
Grainne seoighe has had jobs also, what !! knock me over with a feather.

She would still be classed as a celebrity to most reasonable minded people

jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1285 - 07/11/2024 15:34:30    2578815

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Replying To Breffni40:  "They are celebrities though and almost certainly would not be chosen or get elected off their own backs if they weren't"
It boosts the profile for sure but the Rose of Tralee has been elected to roles more than once now so I am assuming she does actual work for the people who choose her more than once??

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 07/11/2024 15:36:35    2578816

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "It boosts the profile for sure but the Rose of Tralee has been elected to roles more than once now so I am assuming she does actual work for the people who choose her more than once??"
Arguable lol

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12198 - 07/11/2024 15:55:22    2578819

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To cavanman47:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=cavanman47:  "OK. If we take Median income instead of Average then we have to take median house prices instead of average too.
It only works if you go like for like.

Median income for a couple works out at 85k plus change. That allows borrowing of 297.5k for a mortgage of 327.25k.
That's enough for the median house price in 22 of the 26 counties (data doesn't include the 6 counties).

Of course, it's not enough for a house in Dublin - so back to my point: people need to open their mind to the notion of a commute to work.


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Median salary in Ireland is 36k pa.
Also you are using an example which isn't typical of the average Irish household. Most families do not have 2 parents working fulltime.
And you aren't factoring in childcare costs for those families who are.
Finally Median house prices include numerous 1 bedroom apartments which aren't suitable for families in the 1st place."
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That's simply not true.
It was over 43k in 2023.

link"]Median wage is 37800 for 24-29 year olds. The Median house price statistic you gave also includes many properties that are too small for young families. And the final point you haven't addressed is most young familes don't have 2 people in full-time employment.
Bottom line is family homes are out of reach for most young families in this country."]CSO stats for 2024 say the average wage in Ireland was something like €44600. I just checked. They are saying average wage rise by 5.6% since 2023. Just the messenger here lads, don't jump all over me.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1264 - 07/11/2024 16:00:35    2578821

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Replying To jm25:  "Grainne seoighe has had jobs also, what !! knock me over with a feather.

She would still be classed as a celebrity to most reasonable minded people"
So was Trump before being elected? But you seem to think he's class?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 07/11/2024 16:01:40    2578823

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Replying To jm25:  "Grainne seoighe has had jobs also, what !! knock me over with a feather.

She would still be classed as a celebrity to most reasonable minded people"
A sound, down to earth lady she is too.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7651 - 07/11/2024 16:11:19    2578824

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Replying To Breffni40:  "Arguable lol"
You get my point though.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 07/11/2024 16:13:14    2578825

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Replying To Freethinker:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=cavanman47:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=cavanman47:  "OK. If we take Median income instead of Average then we have to take median house prices instead of average too.
It only works if you go like for like.

Median income for a couple works out at 85k plus change. That allows borrowing of 297.5k for a mortgage of 327.25k.
That's enough for the median house price in 22 of the 26 counties (data doesn't include the 6 counties).

Of course, it's not enough for a house in Dublin - so back to my point: people need to open their mind to the notion of a commute to work.


link"
Median salary in Ireland is 36k pa.
Also you are using an example which isn't typical of the average Irish household. Most families do not have 2 parents working fulltime.
And you aren't factoring in childcare costs for those families who are.
Finally Median house prices include numerous 1 bedroom apartments which aren't suitable for families in the 1st place."
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That's simply not true.
It was over 43k in 2023.

link"]Median wage is 37800 for 24-29 year olds. The Median house price statistic you gave also includes many properties that are too small for young families. And the final point you haven't addressed is most young familes don't have 2 people in full-time employment.
Bottom line is family homes are out of reach for most young families in this country."]CSO stats for 2024 say the average wage in Ireland was something like €44600. I just checked. They are saying average wage rise by 5.6% since 2023. Just the messenger here lads, don't jump all over me."]You're correct. That is what the CSO says. They way it's calculated doesn't really tell the story though. It's the total amount earned for PAYE divided by the number of workers. No consideration for zero hour contracts or executives on 6/7 figures. They're all in the same sum.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3142 - 07/11/2024 16:30:20    2578828

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "So was Trump before being elected? But you seem to think he's class?"
Find one post here where I've been complementary to Trump?

I think I've called him a flute a teapot etc.

Saying he was going to win was not an endorsement just not blinded by dislike

You've made yourself look foolish here with your predictions ( have you done similar re Michael Murphy?)

Take your humble pie good lad

jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1285 - 07/11/2024 16:59:00    2578833

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Replying To jm25:  "Find one post here where I've been complementary to Trump?

I think I've called him a flute a teapot etc.

Saying he was going to win was not an endorsement just not blinded by dislike

You've made yourself look foolish here with your predictions ( have you done similar re Michael Murphy?)

Take your humble pie good lad"
It's hardly a massive stretch to predict a Harris win lad. You are a huge expert based on saying Trump will win. I assume you posted this pre election?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 07/11/2024 17:20:11    2578836

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