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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "There is no difference between the current government and any of the likely replacements in any combination.

PBP are too infantilely leftist to be serious contender.


The only differences are marginal ones like promising how many more hospital beds/houses/teachers/guards they will supply! Same old, same old.....

On all the fundamentals from EU to foreign corporation tax, abortion, immigration, national sovereignty vis a vis UK they are all on same page. Could all comfortably be in American Democratic Party which they all support and in some cases have been funded by."
Hard to disagree with any of that. A friend of mine always says we need a new "Republic". New constitution, the works. Be able to sack non performing civil servants etc. Middle management in HSE and other public bodies would love that !! A lot in what he says but it will never happen.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1243 - 29/10/2024 15:32:37    2577479

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Replying To Freethinker:  "Hard to disagree with any of that. A friend of mine always says we need a new "Republic". New constitution, the works. Be able to sack non performing civil servants etc. Middle management in HSE and other public bodies would love that !! A lot in what he says but it will never happen."
Any hints as to what might be in this new Constitution?
Does he realise it would have to be voted on?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1918 - 29/10/2024 16:49:58    2577489

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Any hints as to what might be in this new Constitution?
Does he realise it would have to be voted on?"
That's why I said it would never happen.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1243 - 29/10/2024 16:53:01    2577490

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Any hints as to what might be in this new Constitution?
Does he realise it would have to be voted on?"
"Any hints as to what might be in this new Constitution? - - That depends on who would write it, don't you think.?
Does he realise it would have to be voted on?" - - - My guess is if it went as far as to be written then it would be voted on. What way the vote would go would depend on it's contents.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3027 - 29/10/2024 19:17:52    2577509

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Replying To supersub15:  ""Any hints as to what might be in this new Constitution? - - That depends on who would write it, don't you think.?
Does he realise it would have to be voted on?" - - - My guess is if it went as far as to be written then it would be voted on. What way the vote would go would depend on it's contents."
Would be interesting to hear his proposals though.
Or is it just a mantra like "Change"?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1918 - 29/10/2024 20:01:44    2577514

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What people dontseem to realise is that a general apathy towards our politicians is a good thing.

It's like the referee in a football match - if you don't notice him, then he's probably had a fairly good game.

We've had a succession of stable, steady-handed governments and I think the majority will vote in something similar for another term.
Compare this to the choice facing the USA next week or the one Britain made in the summer. We're in a good place as a nation. Those who complain would complain no matter who is in charge.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5148 - 29/10/2024 22:59:56    2577541

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Replying To cavanman47:  "What people dontseem to realise is that a general apathy towards our politicians is a good thing.

It's like the referee in a football match - if you don't notice him, then he's probably had a fairly good game.

We've had a succession of stable, steady-handed governments and I think the majority will vote in something similar for another term.
Compare this to the choice facing the USA next week or the one Britain made in the summer. We're in a good place as a nation. Those who complain would complain no matter who is in charge."
"Just got back from the centrist rally. Amazing turnout. Thousands of people holding hands and chanting "better things aren't possible""

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12165 - 30/10/2024 10:00:31    2577563

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Replying To Breffni40:  ""Just got back from the centrist rally. Amazing turnout. Thousands of people holding hands and chanting "better things aren't possible"""
"It's the economy stoopid"

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1918 - 30/10/2024 10:47:38    2577567

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  ""It's the economy stoopid""
The "economy". What ever happened to "society"?

All we will be in 40/50 years is a glorified industrial estate and financial centre in which half of population will have been born overseas with hundreds of thousands of younger Irish people living overseas.. And that's the official estimate and they tend to be wrong on the low side.

There will be no such thing as the Ireland we have known any more. Happy days.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3073 - 30/10/2024 11:21:36    2577570

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "The "economy". What ever happened to "society"?

All we will be in 40/50 years is a glorified industrial estate and financial centre in which half of population will have been born overseas with hundreds of thousands of younger Irish people living overseas.. And that's the official estimate and they tend to be wrong on the low side.

There will be no such thing as the Ireland we have known any more. Happy days."
Here we go more culture war crops if and buts . Race issue. What's problem with immigration if proper can be good thing but you take it to extreme.

Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 504 - 30/10/2024 11:32:39    2577572

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "The "economy". What ever happened to "society"?

All we will be in 40/50 years is a glorified industrial estate and financial centre in which half of population will have been born overseas with hundreds of thousands of younger Irish people living overseas.. And that's the official estimate and they tend to be wrong on the low side.

There will be no such thing as the Ireland we have known any more. Happy days."
What is known Ireland when exactly was great old day all generations had their issues. You think 60s 70s were great just cause could avoid few people from different countries

Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 504 - 30/10/2024 11:34:12    2577573

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "The "economy". What ever happened to "society"?

All we will be in 40/50 years is a glorified industrial estate and financial centre in which half of population will have been born overseas with hundreds of thousands of younger Irish people living overseas.. And that's the official estimate and they tend to be wrong on the low side.

There will be no such thing as the Ireland we have known any more. Happy days."
U want some like trump admit it so for here. Facts to backup funding Democrats.
Go vote for gavin pepper etc so if u want no immigration no multinational c9mpanies etc...

Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 504 - 30/10/2024 11:37:13    2577574

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "The "economy". What ever happened to "society"?

All we will be in 40/50 years is a glorified industrial estate and financial centre in which half of population will have been born overseas with hundreds of thousands of younger Irish people living overseas.. And that's the official estimate and they tend to be wrong on the low side.

There will be no such thing as the Ireland we have known any more. Happy days."
I think you'll find that 'society' is under more threat from attitudes like yours towards migration than from actual migration itself. .

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5148 - 30/10/2024 11:46:47    2577578

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Replying To Gaaforlife2023:  "U want some like trump admit it so for here. Facts to backup funding Democrats.
Go vote for gavin pepper etc so if u want no immigration no multinational c9mpanies etc..."
How many people had to leave Ireland in the "good old days" never to come back?
1 million? 2 million?
Now that we can stay at home or go abroad voluntarily and others can come here to earn a living we're ruined according to the Barneys of the world.
620,000 people working in foreign companies here.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1918 - 30/10/2024 11:53:05    2577581

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "How many people had to leave Ireland in the "good old days" never to come back?
1 million? 2 million?
Now that we can stay at home or go abroad voluntarily and others can come here to earn a living we're ruined according to the Barneys of the world.
620,000 people working in foreign companies here."
Now now I'm sure Barney has evidence and stats to back up his statement.

Do we not all miss the glory days before the immigrants came in and ruined it.

No more Catholic Church running schools or Mother Baby homes look what we have had taken away.

Now how do I put a tri colour on a post here.

jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1264 - 30/10/2024 12:33:28    2577588

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Replying To cavanman47:  "What people dontseem to realise is that a general apathy towards our politicians is a good thing.

It's like the referee in a football match - if you don't notice him, then he's probably had a fairly good game.

We've had a succession of stable, steady-handed governments and I think the majority will vote in something similar for another term.
Compare this to the choice facing the USA next week or the one Britain made in the summer. We're in a good place as a nation. Those who complain would complain no matter who is in charge."
When Simon Harris became party leader and Taoiseach he had a golden opportunity to reshuffle his front bench, I am not saying a minister that is not delivering or not doing a good job should be sacked instead he / she should given a more user-friendly / manageable portfolio, it's too serious to ignore.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3027 - 30/10/2024 12:42:45    2577590

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Replying To Breffni40:  ""Just got back from the centrist rally. Amazing turnout. Thousands of people holding hands and chanting "better things aren't possible"""
The unofficial definition of a "centrist" is one who sits on the fence.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3027 - 30/10/2024 12:47:22    2577591

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Replying To cavanman47:  "What people dontseem to realise is that a general apathy towards our politicians is a good thing.

It's like the referee in a football match - if you don't notice him, then he's probably had a fairly good game.

We've had a succession of stable, steady-handed governments and I think the majority will vote in something similar for another term.
Compare this to the choice facing the USA next week or the one Britain made in the summer. We're in a good place as a nation. Those who complain would complain no matter who is in charge."
Hospital overspend x5… Health system.. housing crisis… Main City a no go area… bike sheds and security huts costing astronomical amounts of taxpayers money….hundreds of teaching positions left empty….the list is endless …! Ah there's no doubt these guys are doing a magnificent job… why on earth would anyone consider complaining about them….?

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2974 - 30/10/2024 13:11:47    2577596

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Hospital overspend x5… Health system.. housing crisis… Main City a no go area… bike sheds and security huts costing astronomical amounts of taxpayers money….hundreds of teaching positions left empty….the list is endless …! Ah there's no doubt these guys are doing a magnificent job… why on earth would anyone consider complaining about them….?"
I couldn't find the words but you did, well done.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3027 - 30/10/2024 13:23:47    2577602

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Replying To supersub15:  "The unofficial definition of a "centrist" is one who sits on the fence."
No it isn't.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3667 - 30/10/2024 13:30:14    2577604

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