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Replying To GreenMan1987:  "I don't know who puts them up, I've just seen a fair few of them up over the years and they all seem to be of the same size.

The way things have went in recent times I am now wondering was it the national party or a similar group.

Anyone else see one of them up on a lamppost/ ESB pole in villages?"
Don't think so. There have been those flags up around the place before the National Party became a thing. I'd say it's a rugby flag myself.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13652 - 15/08/2024 09:04:24    2565184

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Big news today. Ireland's population growth exceeds new housing units by 4-1.

We've had a housing crisis for almost a decade. It's not set to get much worse.

Hopefully somebody will present a decent pre election housing plan.

Imagine there were lads on here insisting housing isn't a problem in Ireland a few months ago.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3088 - 15/08/2024 09:26:47    2565191

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Does the fact that Derry are considering reappointing you know who come under a non-gaa story??

sam2024 (Armagh) - Posts: 38 - 15/08/2024 10:34:57    2565207

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Big news today. Ireland's population growth exceeds new housing units by 4-1.

We've had a housing crisis for almost a decade. It's not set to get much worse.

Hopefully somebody will present a decent pre election housing plan.

Imagine there were lads on here insisting housing isn't a problem in Ireland a few months ago."
Big news today. Ireland's population growth exceeds new housing units by 4-1.

We've had a housing crisis for almost a decade. It's not set to get much worse.

Hopefully somebody will present a decent pre election housing plan.

Imagine there were lads on here insisting housing isn't a problem in Ireland a few months ago.


Can I ask how accurate or genuine would an unanimous debate on housing be.?

In what way is it not set to get much worse.?

What would be your definition of a decent pre-election housing plan.?

What is a reasonable definition of a housing problem in Ireland.?

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3023 - 15/08/2024 10:49:30    2565210

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Big news today. Ireland's population growth exceeds new housing units by 4-1.

We've had a housing crisis for almost a decade. It's not set to get much worse.

Hopefully somebody will present a decent pre election housing plan.

Imagine there were lads on here insisting housing isn't a problem in Ireland a few months ago."
Have to agree with you but, as someone involved in the building industry ( not a builder or developer, let me hasten to add) for over half a century, I await with interest any new proposals to increase housing output. We are very close to maximum output capacity at present. Even if someone can magic up a system to turn houses off a production line, we are hamstrung with a scarcity of zoned land, archaic planning laws where any John or Jane Doe can hold planning up for years with objections and now we have banks who will take no chances full stop with lending for construction. These are cold hard facts, no matter how unpalatable and don't let anyone try convince you otherwise. Also, surprise surprise there is a shortage of skilled labour due to the vagaries of our apprenticeship system and the cost of training apprentices.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1237 - 15/08/2024 11:32:06    2565222

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Replying To supersub15:  "Big news today. Ireland's population growth exceeds new housing units by 4-1.

We've had a housing crisis for almost a decade. It's not set to get much worse.

Hopefully somebody will present a decent pre election housing plan.

Imagine there were lads on here insisting housing isn't a problem in Ireland a few months ago.


Can I ask how accurate or genuine would an unanimous debate on housing be.?

In what way is it not set to get much worse.?

What would be your definition of a decent pre-election housing plan.?

What is a reasonable definition of a housing problem in Ireland.?"
It will get worse if we can't think of something different based on population projection data if current trends continue. We need to either increase capacity exponentially or moderate our growth more stringently.

The definition of a plan in my view is compulsory purchase orders for land, removal of red tape for planning. If there's the will to do it it's easy to solve. State run mass housing projects, my preference would be for modular homes given the efficiency of erecting them by comparison to traditional methods. We probably need to import project teams too.

The problem is difficult to define but 14k homeless and rising is not acceptable. Particularly given the number of working people who can't compete now.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3088 - 15/08/2024 12:01:00    2565227

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Replying To Freethinker:  "Have to agree with you but, as someone involved in the building industry ( not a builder or developer, let me hasten to add) for over half a century, I await with interest any new proposals to increase housing output. We are very close to maximum output capacity at present. Even if someone can magic up a system to turn houses off a production line, we are hamstrung with a scarcity of zoned land, archaic planning laws where any John or Jane Doe can hold planning up for years with objections and now we have banks who will take no chances full stop with lending for construction. These are cold hard facts, no matter how unpalatable and don't let anyone try convince you otherwise. Also, surprise surprise there is a shortage of skilled labour due to the vagaries of our apprenticeship system and the cost of training apprentices."
You're 100% right about that.

I've mentioned in a reply to another poster that a considered approach involves in revision of planning process land purchase etc .

I do think our approach to alternative methods of construction needs work though.

If you can erect a prefabricated dwelling in 5 days instead of traditional build in 18 months why wouldn't you? Because of jobs for the boys.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3088 - 15/08/2024 12:05:04    2565228

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Huge elephant in the room is Irelands planning law is based on Common law and not civil law like the vast majority of the EU. This basically means you have the ridiculous situation where anyone can object to any development anywhere in the country. I remember a case where a man in Wicklow blocked a development in Mayo.

My view is if you don't live beside or near any proposed development you can **** right off. You should have zero say.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11389 - 15/08/2024 12:44:10    2565240

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Huge elephant in the room is Irelands planning law is based on Common law and not civil law like the vast majority of the EU. This basically means you have the ridiculous situation where anyone can object to any development anywhere in the country. I remember a case where a man in Wicklow blocked a development in Mayo.

My view is if you don't live beside or near any proposed development you can **** right off. You should have zero say."
You should at least show how a proposed development would impact negatively on you before your objection/appeal can be accepted.
Need a Housing Emergency in the Public Interest Act to run for 5 years, to enable fast track building on public owned lands, need to get hold of or long term leases on a load of unused buildings and land owned by Catholic and Protestant Churches or Religious Orders etc.

Saw somewhere only 5% of work visas are for Construction.....
Surely that should be up to 50% . Let the visas be April to September if necessary.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1913 - 15/08/2024 12:59:29    2565245

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "You should at least show how a proposed development would impact negatively on you before your objection/appeal can be accepted.
Need a Housing Emergency in the Public Interest Act to run for 5 years, to enable fast track building on public owned lands, need to get hold of or long term leases on a load of unused buildings and land owned by Catholic and Protestant Churches or Religious Orders etc.

Saw somewhere only 5% of work visas are for Construction.....
Surely that should be up to 50% . Let the visas be April to September if necessary."
That's pretty much nail on the head there, and I think I've said the same in a previous post on here.

Declare an emergency.
Bypass planning.
And build proportionally in EVERY constituency in the country.

The land the church has a claim to in this country should be declared government land as the dept of education (i.e. the state) has replaced the church as the body who provides education and thus the church can be readily deemed to have far less need for it.


I'd agree on the planning objections too. . .a €2bn development was canned in June as a result of an environmental assessment provided for an already established industrial zone in West Dublin.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5143 - 15/08/2024 15:51:21    2565288

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "You should at least show how a proposed development would impact negatively on you before your objection/appeal can be accepted.
Need a Housing Emergency in the Public Interest Act to run for 5 years, to enable fast track building on public owned lands, need to get hold of or long term leases on a load of unused buildings and land owned by Catholic and Protestant Churches or Religious Orders etc.

Saw somewhere only 5% of work visas are for Construction.....
Surely that should be up to 50% . Let the visas be April to September if necessary."
There's probably a lot of electricians, plumbers, plasterers, carpenters etc that have left the building industry since the 2008. Don't have any figures but many went to college to upskill and later opted for the, relative, security of working in Tech and Pharma and other industry. You'll still get a few doing nixers but they won't pack in steady work to work full time building unless they are well incentivised.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7620 - 15/08/2024 18:23:19    2565322

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "You should at least show how a proposed development would impact negatively on you before your objection/appeal can be accepted.
Need a Housing Emergency in the Public Interest Act to run for 5 years, to enable fast track building on public owned lands, need to get hold of or long term leases on a load of unused buildings and land owned by Catholic and Protestant Churches or Religious Orders etc.

Saw somewhere only 5% of work visas are for Construction.....
Surely that should be up to 50% . Let the visas be April to September if necessary."
The planning system should be changed. You are totally correct in your view that only persons living near a planned development p, and may be affected by the project can validly object to it.

Persons living in Leitrim for example should not be allowed objects to a development in Wicklow. I think there is a serial objector who appeals building developments in other counties far away from his own area.

Are there not plans to overhaul the planning laws before the Dail?

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 15/08/2024 23:35:40    2565361

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Replying To thelongridge:  "The planning system should be changed. You are totally correct in your view that only persons living near a planned development p, and may be affected by the project can validly object to it.

Persons living in Leitrim for example should not be allowed objects to a development in Wicklow. I think there is a serial objector who appeals building developments in other counties far away from his own area.

Are there not plans to overhaul the planning laws before the Dail?"
Up to recently there were a loosely organised "residents" group in Wicklow, mostly reasonably affluent, - well, they would have to be to afford a property, thereby putting it out of the reach of locals - who, once they became established, seemed to need have their noses in every planning application in the county, particularly once off rural homes. They were particularly active in eastern and north eastern parts of the county. Some were affiliated to one of our heritage trusts. I'm not too sure that it doesn't still exist.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1237 - 16/08/2024 09:14:40    2565394

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Replying To thelongridge:  "The planning system should be changed. You are totally correct in your view that only persons living near a planned development p, and may be affected by the project can validly object to it.

Persons living in Leitrim for example should not be allowed objects to a development in Wicklow. I think there is a serial objector who appeals building developments in other counties far away from his own area.

Are there not plans to overhaul the planning laws before the Dail?"
It's usually gobs with nothing else to do. Case in point, 95% of noise complaints at Dublin airport come from one individual. I agree 100% with O'Leary the cap at DUB must be lifted. The green transport minister is damaging the Irish economy.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11389 - 16/08/2024 11:54:06    2565432

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handy starts for Liverpool. Brilliant chance for Arsenal to boost their goal difference in first game.

CorkLiamMcCarthy24 (Cork) - Posts: 39 - 17/08/2024 16:02:29    2565589

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Replying To yew_tree:  "It's usually gobs with nothing else to do. Case in point, 95% of noise complaints at Dublin airport come from one individual. I agree 100% with O'Leary the cap at DUB must be lifted. The green transport minister is damaging the Irish economy."
You will have no problems with Green ministers after the next election….thankfully

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2970 - 17/08/2024 22:09:41    2565638

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "You will have no problems with Green ministers after the next election….thankfully"
Yeah probably will get wiped out but hats always came here. Small parties always get wiped out after a time in government.

Who would you vote for next time round d

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3667 - 19/08/2024 10:11:23    2565776

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What kind of becalmed waters or stagnation has young Kelliher gotten himself into at Liverpool ?? It's looking as if not even Liverpool want him, they are chasing some 23 yr old - so much for staying loyal. . If he doesn't get out soon, he will be getting on to his late twenties, I think he is 25? Peculiar that nobody is looking for him. It's not a great advert for him if his club are looking at passing him over. Bazunu was only what, 22 or 23 when he got his move to a number one spot.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1237 - 20/08/2024 16:42:28    2566038

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Replying To Freethinker:  "What kind of becalmed waters or stagnation has young Kelliher gotten himself into at Liverpool ?? It's looking as if not even Liverpool want him, they are chasing some 23 yr old - so much for staying loyal. . If he doesn't get out soon, he will be getting on to his late twenties, I think he is 25? Peculiar that nobody is looking for him. It's not a great advert for him if his club are looking at passing him over. Bazunu was only what, 22 or 23 when he got his move to a number one spot."
He's only played about 50 senior games for Liverpool since 2019, excluding reserve games in PL2. Done well in many of them but not a consistent Premier League and Champions League standard of keeper, plus Bazunu keeping him out of a poor Ireland team when he was fit, doesn't raise his profile. There were rumours that Juventus were interested but hard to believe they wouldn't want a more experienced keeper.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7620 - 20/08/2024 17:44:20    2566048

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Replying To Freethinker:  "What kind of becalmed waters or stagnation has young Kelliher gotten himself into at Liverpool ?? It's looking as if not even Liverpool want him, they are chasing some 23 yr old - so much for staying loyal. . If he doesn't get out soon, he will be getting on to his late twenties, I think he is 25? Peculiar that nobody is looking for him. It's not a great advert for him if his club are looking at passing him over. Bazunu was only what, 22 or 23 when he got his move to a number one spot."
You'd imagine at this stage he'd be looking to advance his career, I know he's getting highly paid whether he's No1 keeper or not, it's like a lack of ambition.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2075 - 20/08/2024 17:53:22    2566049

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