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That's including Ukrainians who are Europeans. There were far more Eastern Europeans living in Ireland in the latter years of the Celtic Tiger.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13296 - 04/06/2024 13:53:25 2549417 Link 0 |
He's also chosen to count those coming here from the UK and EU, to work, as part of the asylum figure. They are not. They are people who move here but do not a work permit in order to work. When you can't contribute to balanced debate with unbiased factual figures, that's when you start to look like the 'far right'. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5105 - 04/06/2024 13:56:03 2549419 Link 1 |
The profound ethnic changes you mention depend entirely on where you are looking. In South Wexford by far and away the majority of people are "White Irish", as they are in most areas of the country. The large majority of asylum seekers are "White European". Its true the large majority of work permits are granted to Asian people. Even in rural towns the large majority of people are White Irish. There are areas of cities, Dublin especially, where this might not be the case now, but alot of those areas were crime ridden holes long before there were any immigrants there. Joyriding, drug use, drug dealing, and general anti social behaviour were rife in some of those areas like some of the estates in Blanchardstown, Tallaght etc etc. Generally I stayed away from them back then, as I still do.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13296 - 04/06/2024 14:03:40 2549420 Link 1 |
It's obviously not a good thing. But it's a related thing. The main reason cited by those moving away is the cost of housing here, both to rent and to buy. This housing shortage is what is making the immigration problem worse also. The affordable housing shortage is completely unrelated to immigration. Its a problem that's been developing here since the 1990s and is largely down to successive governments not doing what they were paid to do. Govern the place.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13296 - 04/06/2024 14:08:17 2549421 Link 0 |
For sure,, I live in renmore, on the east side of the city, whereas 25 years ago the area was pretty much completely white irish,, it's about 75% now avd changing more every day, take a spin out to headford avd it's still in the high 90s,, other areas have been changed more than ballybane, other areas not at all,, galway city compared to 25 years ago is pretty much unrecognisable demographically compared to 25 years ago, with shop street etc being predominantly foreign born at times. Anyone who says only immigrants commit crimes needs their heads examined, though I don't know anyone who says that,, however a proportion of asylum seekers are not genuine, and are here for opportunitistic reasons , and the creation of ghettos will increase crime, and will create racial tensions Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 04/06/2024 15:44:27 2549458 Link 0 |
It's not "completely" unrelated to immigration, come on viking. An increased population puts pressure on housing, and even if the government built the requisite number of houses, by the time they've that done there'll be another 100k new arrivals landed on our shores looking for a roof over their head
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 04/06/2024 15:46:52 2549459 Link 2 |
True Galway 9801.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1866 - 04/06/2024 20:33:41 2549527 Link 1 |
Ok then not completely unrelated to immigration, but the 2nd half of your post hits the nail on the head. If the current or future governments only build the current "requisite number of houses" then they will have failed also, just not as badly as the previous 30 years of governments. The government keep crowing about the economic growth the country has experienced since the 1990s, but for that to be sustained population has to increase, as does infrastructure. Any small boy of my generation knew that as your collection of marbles grew, so you had to get a bigger bag to keep them in. It really isn't rocket science.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13296 - 04/06/2024 21:47:04 2549550 Link 0 |
So going by your bag of marbles analogy,, we're effectively trapped in a never ending cycle of mass migration in order to keep growing our collection of marbles? Hmmmmm,, why does that not make me feel any better about what's coming viking? Besides, who gets to play with these marbles? Will the bigger economy lead to more wealth being transferred to citizens? Bigger houses, cars, better working conditions, improved social cohesion, an all round improved quality of life? Somehow I doubt it. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 05/06/2024 08:09:45 2549598 Link 2 |
You are not very efficient at using Google if you could not find the reference to 70% of Irish legislation originating in EU. Here's a clue: Seán Kelly. He's an MEP (you can Google that too) and former Uachtarán CLG (that's GAA in English.) BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2952 - 05/06/2024 08:31:32 2549600 Link 0 |
I am not including people on work permits as refugees! Is this the level of "debate" that people like yourself are reduced to? Find out what you are talking about before engaging in childish insults. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2952 - 05/06/2024 08:34:36 2549601 Link 0 |
It's not rocket science to think that the 'requisite' number of houses need to be new builds. Keeping the banks/developers/builders happy with greentech addons and BER regulations required to screw potential homeowners. Plenty of decent quality used houses and very little incentive for potential buyers. Government only concerned with VAT and keeping the employment figures look good to maintain the middle class vote.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7564 - 05/06/2024 09:31:42 2549613 Link 0 |
Sadly we have one of the worst Gini coefficients in the world. Wealth distribution is another reflection on our government.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13296 - 05/06/2024 09:37:55 2549614 Link 0 |
Take a sup of your own medicine there lad. . I didn't say that you were counting those on work permits as refugees. I said that you were counting the likes of those coming from the UK and other EU countries (who can work without a work permit) as refugees. You gave a figure for the total number coming here. You subtracted the figure for those gaining work permits. And you came to your final figure. You have not included those who come to work who do not need work permits. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5105 - 05/06/2024 10:20:18 2549620 Link 0 |
Well the quality of our houses, cars, lives, health service, roads, infrastructure, etc etc. have all improved substantially over the last 3-4 decades, so the evidence suggests they will indeed continue to do so.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5105 - 05/06/2024 10:28:18 2549622 Link 0 |
"He's also chosen to count those coming here from the UK and EU, to work, as part of the asylum figure." BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2952 - 05/06/2024 10:32:51 2549625 Link 0 |
Tbh if you look at our legislation most of our laws predate 1920 and are British laws.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13296 - 05/06/2024 10:36:48 2549629 Link 1 |
We have a huge backlog of housing that needed to be built since the 90s that still hasn't been built. And if our population increase isn't factored into any housing plan then by the time those are built there still won't be enough.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13296 - 05/06/2024 10:38:57 2549630 Link 0 |
Barney you are speaking half truths. Much like your debate with me on the death of the Irish language, you are not fully informed. Nowhere near it.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8021 - 05/06/2024 10:52:34 2549635 Link 0 |
True but not every prospective buyer needs a new high spec'd home. A second hand home could help them on the property ladder given the right incentives.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7564 - 05/06/2024 11:00:58 2549636 Link 0 |