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"The Islamic Resistance Movement "Hamas" is a Palestinian Islamic national liberation and resistance movement. Its goal is to liberate Palestine and confront the Zionist project. Its frame of reference is Islam, which determines its principles, objectives and means." This is article 1 of the Hamas charter. This is what the people of Gaza voted for. Although like Netanyahu in Israel Hammas didn't get 50% of the vote either. The West Bank would be different. They are still governed by Fatah, who Hamas wiped out after the last election in 2007. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13296 - 25/05/2024 10:52:18 2546936 Link 0 |
The feed your family prioritised over the online high moral ground opinion?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7564 - 25/05/2024 11:14:57 2546941 Link 1 |
Ireland should continue humanitarian aid and calls for cease-fire and hostage release in Gaza. Our government did not forward any geographic context for the Palestinian State that they claim to support. What does a 2-State solution look like on paper? Why are we getting involved in a partition plan? Look in the mirror. The Good Friday Belfast Agreement was not respected by Rishi Sunak or Boris Johnson. Most of the 20th century partition plans were temporary bandaids by Brits. They do not consider other peoples as their equals. I fully support the Good Friday Agreement to be clear. suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1706 - 25/05/2024 11:33:07 2546945 Link 2 |
That's not true. Just shy of 400k Jewish people from Europe and Russia colonised Palestine prior and up to the time Israel was created. Numbers from other Arab countries and Africa were miniscule, around 45k. It was only after Israel was created did numbers pick up from Asia and Africa and even then it was only equal to European migration. I'd imagine they rejected it because it was after been pulled from right under their feet to make a zionist state. There is nothing radical in having a single state Palestine that contains all creeds. I'd say they were think why does a Jewish state have to be carved out of our country. Why the bloody hell didn't Germany have to give land over for it? Imagine County Wexford was carved out of Ireland to make a Ukrainian state to keep Ukrainians safe because of the actions of Russia. And all Wexford people were forced to give up their land and houses. How would that go down? MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 999 - 25/05/2024 12:05:01 2546947 Link 0 |
It's not olive groves being taken, but patches of stony mountainside desert. The olive groves have needed the Israelis to spend vast sums of money on wells and irrigation. That still doesn't make it right for those patches of desert to be taken though.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13296 - 25/05/2024 12:20:47 2546950 Link 0 |
The Palestinians resistance was initially spearheaded by the PLO which was fairly secular left wing. Add to that the first intifada was a grassroots, non religious and lead by academics and students in a lot of cases. With the crushing of secular resistance that paved the way for more religious fundamentalists like Hamas. If you constantly put road blocks and beat down people you force them down the paths of desperation. Israel actually secretly encouraged Hamas as they saw them as a way to weaken the PLO and split the Palestinians. Divide and conquer, the oldest trick of the colonist.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 999 - 25/05/2024 13:02:38 2546956 Link 1 |
Who's going to "reunite Ireland"????
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1795 - 25/05/2024 13:31:49 2546962 Link 0 |
You've heard the "I'm alright Jack" concept? All that's required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3029 - 25/05/2024 14:21:28 2546967 Link 2 |
We the people by the ballot box will get the chance some day soon hopefully to reunite Ireland.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2934 - 25/05/2024 14:38:33 2546969 Link 0 |
First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2934 - 25/05/2024 14:39:02 2546971 Link 1 |
nobody I suppose, that is my whole point. We are trying to create countries for other peoples instead. Thank God for the GAA. suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1706 - 25/05/2024 15:17:46 2546977 Link 0 |
United Ireland is a fairy tale, unionists will never take it lying down
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2037 - 25/05/2024 15:20:08 2546978 Link 0 |
You're alright Jack. The Palestinians and Israelis aren't but sure we can boost their morale on Hoganstand with our in depth knowledge of their situation.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7564 - 25/05/2024 16:06:07 2546985 Link 1 |
I hope you never find yourself in a situation where you need the support of others who are too busy looking after themselves to care what happens to you. Good luck to you. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3029 - 25/05/2024 16:36:49 2546988 Link 0 |
They won the FA Cup today my good man.
bruffgael (Limerick) - Posts: 178 - 25/05/2024 17:09:05 2546991 Link 0 |
They'll be partying like its 1999 so.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2037 - 25/05/2024 17:40:33 2546997 Link 0 |
I'll be comforted to know that some anonymous posters in a forum who haven't a clue about my circumstances can type meaningless opinions. I know an Israeli man. Lives and works in Ireland more than 8 years and loves it here. Did mandatory service in the army. Wasn't too happy to do it but such is life. Can recognise that Palestinians are getting a raw deal and bears them no malice. He says some Israelis are similar. But they detest Hamas and he that some Palestinians feel that Hamas do not represent them. There's no stats there, just some Israelis and Palestinians. If you lived in a war zone you'd probably be happy to live and work in Dublin too. We have no problems here in comparison. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7564 - 25/05/2024 17:51:41 2547001 Link 0 |
Bulls)1t lad. What attitude should I have? If I quit my job what difference will that make? Ireland committing economic suicide will not make one bit of difference to what happens in the Middle East. I wholeheartedly disagree with what Israel are doing. Nothing I can do about it and I don't understand the situation historically out there nor would pretend to. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11368 - 25/05/2024 18:30:15 2547008 Link 2 |
What have you done for them?
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11368 - 25/05/2024 18:31:14 2547010 Link 1 |
People will forget what you did for them but they will never forget how you made them feel. katser (Galway) - Posts: 2420 - 25/05/2024 18:58:27 2547023 Link 0 |